You Are Not Alone: Humanity’s Future Brighter Than We Know with Jamie Butler

Jamie Butler 0:00
Believing what you are saying is creating a reality. So what you will work on next is restructuring them and taking the pride confidence and understanding of how to rework what already exists. Yes, to have humanity, energy on Earth, the downfall. The second thing that I want to talk about, the energies that are moving through to restructure are so strong that your physical bodies are not used to it. And when you evolve or make these changes from 3d to 5d it takes a moment to adjust. Change isn't always easy. You are not alone.

Alex Ferrari 0:40
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Jamie Butler 1:20
Hi! wonderful. Thank you so much, Alex!

Alex Ferrari 1:22
Thank you so much for coming on the show. I'm looking forward to talking you're unique in the space of spirituality, because you're not only a psychic medium, but you also channel as well. And that's a rarity. It happens, but it's a rarity. And the entities that you do channel are fun and and profound, but we'll get into all of that in a little bit. But my first question is, what was your life like before this insanity of being a psychic medium channel?

Jamie Butler 1:56
I don't know how to answer that. My earliest memories are with all my loved ones in spirit. But I didn't think that they were in spirit. They were just my playmates, like I

Alex Ferrari 2:10
Early on, early on, you had, you had these ability, okay? There was no before.

Jamie Butler 2:16
I did have a gap, like from age 6 to 18. Where at age six, my parents, actually, my mom, was just like, this has got to stop. I don't know how to do this with you. You're playing hide and seek and games with invisible things. Like you're talking about things you don't know, but they're true, they're real. It was confusing. So in the act of trying to normalize me, to give me a normal life, which is the words my parents like to share with me today, they encouraged me to separate from it, so my abilities turned more into dream states. So astral travel, things of that nature. And then when I moved out of the house to college, it all came back. And by then, I was old enough to understand that this was psycho, and I gave it all kinds of words that were inappropriate and a big disservice to really what was happening. But I was terrified and scared, and I was sleeping with bats, vacuum cleaner extensions, anything long, so when I wake up in the middle of the night because somebody's touching me or moving the bed, and I could see people, people, I would swing it, and if it went through them, I knew I was alone. This is not a way to live, then it would be a real person, and I would know to fight. So for a portion of my life, I would put my fingers in my ear and I'd rock myself to sleep, going, you know, it's okay, it's okay, it's okay, it's okay. And the crazy thing is, Alex is it's not that they were doing anything harmful to me. There were beautiful words, like, we love you, you're okay. Like, this is your family. This is going to happen. Let's help. Let's help. But it was just out of my wheelhouse. By then. I was acting within that normalcy realm that my parents were aiming so hard for me to have that I couldn't comprehend what was really going on beyond that.

Alex Ferrari 4:10
So what's really interesting about your story is, for the first six years, you are so childlike and so connected to source at that point, because as you get older, you disconnect a little bit more that's why children are so lovely and so fun, and everything's about joy. And then you turn it to teenagers. As you can tell I'm a parent from experience, yes. And then there's teenagers who I heard a comedian the other day said just it was, it was just genius. He's like, I think God created teenagers as a payback to us. So and I go, and he's like, he said, This is why, because I'm going to give them something that that denies their existence as well. Which teenagers deny the existence of their parents? Because it's just like, I don't want to be seen with you. I don't want to talk to you. I don't know anything like that. Yeah. So it's very true in many, many ways, not for everybody, but in many, many ways. But what I find interesting is those first six years, you were just enjoying yourself, then the programming of your parents came in, and they're like, no, we want to start to change you. And that programming was so hardwired in you that even though you had very positive experiences as a child. At 18, you were terrified because the programming was so hard, hard programmed in. Were you religious? Were you raised religious or not?

Jamie Butler 5:33
I was raised in the Baptist church, but I was quickly uninvited

Alex Ferrari 5:39
At early age.

Jamie Butler 5:40
Early I yeah, I have a vivid memory of sitting in the sanctuary in the preacher going on, and I looked at my grandma, and I said, That's not true. That's not true. And then I started saying it louder and louder, and she snatched my hand up, and she was wearing the little white gloves back then she snatched my hand up, and we walked down the aisle, and I could see everybody's faces looking at me, and I was like, that's not true. And that's the last time I went back to church. They did try to put me in Sunday school, and that

Alex Ferrari 6:13
Didn't work out well. Didn't work out well, did it? No. So it's so interesting that you were, you were brought into the brought into this incarnation with these abilities, which is not it happens, but it's not common. A lot of times you have to kind of work your way up, or you discover these abilities. But you were there from the very beginning. How did you overcome that terrifying fear, like you said, This is no way to live, when you finally started to embrace or started, did you start to investigate what this was. Did you start reading books? How did you get out of that?

Jamie Butler 6:44
Well, I did a very immature thing first, and I tried on a bunch of drugs, because the drugs would make the lights go away, they would make the dead people disappear, and the angels and everything go away. And so my friends were doing it to connect and find that world. I was doing it to get the hell out of it, because it was so real. Lost a lot of friends. I couldn't remember, like at parties, what to say, because I didn't know if I heard it from a person, person or an entity person. Because they're they're so similar. You know, in your memory bank, when you have these spiritual experiences, they go in the same bank. They don't get divided. They change your chemical makeup and they change your personality. So I couldn't remember to sift through what I knew psychically and what I knew from experience, and I quickly, you know, was isolated from friends that way, and even I got kicked out of one college course because I spoke up after class, because the teacher's aunt, who had passed away, had a lot to say, and I finally gave up and told the teacher. And the teacher was like, Are you tracking me? Are you going through my garbage? And I was like, What kid has time to figure out where their teacher lives, a and go through their garbage. I have no interest in you. Like and so and like, just after all of that and feeling very lonely, a friend of mine found a teacher, Marguerite romez. I'm in Gainesville, Florida, at UF and she was just this older Italian bird that just taught psychic awareness. And I was like, this is kind of crazy. I'll just call it that. And we went there, and everything she said just made my body get heavier and heavier. And I was like, oh my god, oh my God. She's speaking about me, oh my god. This is the thing, oh my god. Like she's naming it, like I didn't have names for everything. And then after one of the classes, she came over to me, and she was like, You, you. I want to invite you to my home. I want you to take personal classes. I was like, Okay. And so it began that way, and she taught me. It took me about two years to really learn how to turn the lights off, right, you know, to go to a grocery store and just see fruit and not fruit and rainbows and colors and spirits and things and voices and stuff and done it, you know, plus the music they play in the grocery store. So, you know, it was, it was a lesson, a hard lesson, of how to back down from something when everybody else around you is going, Oh, my God, you can do that. Like, they want to put you on a pedestal. They want to like, like, I don't know, put you somewhere weird because you're different, but I truly I don't like that. I don't feel like I am different than others. I feel like maybe I'm more awake, but we're all the same. I have the same body parts as you like. I'm just using I'm applying my energy and my focus differently. And I really think right now, especially this year, in 2025 boy, are we waking up a lot.

Alex Ferrari 9:52
We will get, we will get into 2025 and beyond in a little bit. But the thing that I also find fast. Anything about your story is, and this is for people who are watching, who don't understand what a medium goes through, sometimes a psychic medium. And then we haven't gotten to the channeling part yet. We'll get to that in a minute, which I'm sure was a journey in its own right, but it's the processing, mental processing, of what is happening to you, because, like you said, you're in you're ingesting all of this information, and our mind, generally speaking, is set up for this reality. It's not really set up to take on multiple realities, or thinning of the veil or seeing other like it's not just you're seeing spirit, you're also seeing auras, you're seeing lights, you're seeing all these other things it it's just a lot for the brain to literally process, and it takes training to really shut that down. I call it putting the closed sign on instead of an open sign or a closed sign on the business exactly, so you can walk into a supermarket or take a shower without Yeah, Uncle Bob showing up and going, Hey, listen, I know you're going to talk to my, my, my niece in a day, I have a lot of stuff to talk about. And you're like, dude, I'm showering. Has that happened?

Jamie Butler 11:14
Yes, I can't. You were the first person that I have come across that has just pinpointed that so well, yes, that happens and you're like, naked here showering. And usually the comment I get back is, oh, we don't care what you look like. Like, they care less if you're clothed,

Alex Ferrari 11:32
But I do. So yeah, like, for like, if, if that was taking a shower, and all of a sudden spirit shows up. And it's my aunt, or if it's, God forbid, someone I don't know, let alone if it's my own family, it'd be one thing. And even then, I'm like, Dude, can you give me a minute? But if it's a stranger, he's like, Hey, I saw your light was on. I you know the door is open, so it's, it almost is like ghost again. I always bring up ghost because the movie Ghost with, with Whoopi Goldberg, all of a sudden, the second she Sam came in, all the rest of them heard about it, and there was, like, a, you know, in the room. Is there a? Is there a? Bob? Bob, here. Bob, okay, Bob's here. And it was, it's a kind of like that, because she didn't know either how to shut it down. She was just overwhelmed constantly with, he's like, they're coming out from the woodwork. They're coming out everywhere. I can't even take a shower, or something like that. So it was something like that. So you actually were training, or your mentor trained you on how to put the clothesline on and be able to function in this reality essentially.

Jamie Butler 12:42
Yeah, it's learning how to turn it down, like the dial on a radio without turning the radio off, because I wasn't interested in turning everything off. And I do have people who come to me. My son was one of them. At the age of 11. He looked at me and he was like, Ma, I can't do this anymore. Like, I like to be Luca. I like to be me. I picked me again, but I can't do this. It's too painful. And I was like, what he goes being here and being there, like, with them. I mean, he had the same abilities. He knocked my socks off. Like, oh yeah. He's amazing. He's 20 now. He's coming into it slightly again. But for him, it had to go away so he could live. That's how urgent it was for him. So in my case, it was just turn it down enough to where, when I want to use it again I can,

Alex Ferrari 13:37
Right! And it's tough enough being a teenager, let alone dealing with psychic abilities. It seemed that people walking around while your hormones are kicking you know it's it's a hell of a journey, to say the least. All right, so, so then once you decided that, okay, I'm good with this, I'm happy I've learned how to deal with this.

Jamie Butler 14:00
Remind me when I said I'm good with this, no,

Alex Ferrari 14:02
Well, at one point or another, you're like taking classes, you've shut it down a little bit. You turn, you turn the clothes sign on, you've you've accepted the journey that you're on and the mission that you have in this kind of accepted that. But now there's the private version of this story timeline, and then there's the public version of this timeline. When did you decide to come out of the the spiritual, not the spiritual, the psychic closet, and wave the freak flag, as we like to say, for everyone to see.

Jamie Butler 14:34
Yeah, that took a long time, my friend.

Alex Ferrari 14:37
That's why I'm asking,

Jamie Butler 14:40
Because college taught me to be quiet, to not lose friends, you know. So through my 20s, I would test the waters every now and then. I would go lecture to small groups. I would even lecture in colleges and in my i. Late 20s, I decided there are other people out there like me, and they are struggling, and I enjoy talking about this, so I'm going to find my comfort level in opening my doors to those people. And I started just teaching really small classes out of my house, and that slowly, over six years turned into 6000 square feet of a center in the center of Atlanta, Georgia. We had a network of shows that we started launching in 2016 and it just like later on, you know, it started to grow really, really big. Covid kind of put me in a completely different route. But

Alex Ferrari 15:40
When you say shows, when you say shows, when you say shows, what do you mean by shows? Like actual like show shows?

Jamie Butler 15:45
Yeah, we, I launched a network called the lighter side network. We were only up and running for three years until covid closed us down. I got asked to leave the space that I was residing in, and so I had to pack up everything and just maneuver. And you know, five years later, this is how I maneuvered a little bit more online and more global, but I don't have the network anymore, which is a little sad, but it's all good. But yeah, it was finding other people enjoying and getting peace out of having the conversation or getting support from someone else who's not going to look at them immediately and go, Yeah, you're crazy. Yeah, you need to be on meds. Yeah, you are, you know, chemically and mentally imbalanced, because there is a fine line. And I wish, if my older self now could look back to the one in college. I wish that one could go, hey, hey, Jamie, maybe don't major in theater. Maybe go to psychology. Maybe do something in that area, because they didn't have the muscles to really talk about or the experiences of that fine line between mental imbalance and spiritual awakening, they feel and they look often very similar, very, very different. So I learned that through the years and help people. And then it's just they started to show up and come. And then you make that decision, that pivotal point where you go, Okay, I'm acknowledging this. If you want me to do this, I agree to it. Support me, and I'm all in and you just go

Alex Ferrari 17:23
And you go. So when you, when you finally decided to open up shop and started to publicly say, Hey, this is who I am. What did your family say? What did your friends say? How did you how did they deal with all of this?

Jamie Butler 17:38
So my I have a brother and have a few Step Brothers, but my brother is the closest to me, and he just got it. He was like, You do you? He goes, That scares me what you can do, but I'm okay with it. And when I start talking to the family, that's where it comes out. Oh, on my dad's side, your great grandmother was actually a Torah reader, in during the World War Two, and she would help all the wives who were left behind understand what was happening. You know, over in the war by doing readings and talking to spirit, your grandmother could do it, your aunt could do it, but none of us wanted to tell you, because we wanted to save you so that you could have a normal life. And my Nana told me, Jamie, it was just so taboo. We just didn't want to hurt you. Help you. Yeah, it hurt me more by you isolating me and telling me what I was doing was my imagination and to ignore it and to stop listening to me, you stopped listening to me. It was horrible.

Alex Ferrari 18:38
There's a lot of emotionally horrible there's a lot of ancestral trauma when it comes to psychic mediums and channels and spiritual people, mystics, even teachers, who I've noticed that that generationally it, like, it follows in the bloodline, like, you know, it skips a generation sometimes, or it's in the bloodline there's an Aunt, like, I've had aunts. My grandmother had it, you know, and but it was never but can't talk about it. Oh, my God. Like, behind closed doors, yeah, behind closed doors. Like, my favorite is my grandfather, my grandmother. I didn't know this until my mom told me, like, decades after my grandma died, because my grandma shows up all the time in readings and medium and like, when I'm doing it, I'm sure, well, you're, you've turned it off now, but I'm sure she's hanging around somewhere right now. She's, like, I got something to tell Alex, but, but she, when she was alive, she was she knew what she had, and her sister had it as well. But my grandfather was very three dimensional, very old school, you know, machista, Cuban guy from Cuba. It was like a whole thing. But every time he was going to do a business dealing, he would ask my grandma, Hey, should I do business with this person? Hey, what do you feel? And she would give him guidance, and he no one would ever know about it, but he knew you. Because he had proof that it worked before. So that's how it would work. But I never even heard about it until she did. She died. She never spoke to me about it or anything. It's amazing, but it's but the trauma, because of all of the stigma attached to where wit, you know they're witches, or, you know you're the devil, or all of this kind of stuff, and you're burned at the stake. You're hung, you're crucified, all these things generationally that's happened to people that have had these abilities, these generations were they were truly trying to protect you. But now I think we're awake enough that like your generation is not doing that to your child, your child ish

Jamie Butler 20:40
When my husband and I decided we wanted to start a family. We literally Pinky promised. And I was like, We got to sit here. We got to be really clear. If our kids are going to have this, let them have it on their own, but I will not teach them to have it. Is that okay? He was like, Okay, I'll go because I will not teach, but I will let them develop. And my son's first word was, light. You're like, sitting there, going, mama, mama, mama. He goes, light. I'm like, Where's that coming from? He used to walk around with a flashlight and put it on people's bodies where they needed to be healed. And he'd count, and he'd take it off, and you'd look at them, and you go, Okay, now you play with me, and I would ask my person, what happened to you? They're like, Oh, I injured myself playing tennis, or I did that, like, what's happening? I was like, Oh, no. I just wouldn't talk about it. And so as they got older, I started to give them language around what they were doing, rather than me bringing in something new and going, Oh, you can also look at I wouldn't teach them. And then when they got into the teenage level, I literally had to sit down, and I said, Okay, do you know what your mom does for a living, how she chooses to dedicate her time? They're like, you help people. I was like, let's talk about it, you know? And then, because I didn't keep crystals at the house, chakra charts, chimes, tuning forks, nothing. I kept it all out of the house growing up. So it was almost unfortunately, I think it was through my wound of like needing to know or needing a validation that I had this so strong as a kid, like, why couldn't other people acknowledge that? And watching my kids grow up, I used to call my parents and go, Dude, how could you not know what I was doing? Like, I'm watching my son and my daughter do. This is very clear, like, and they're like, we just, we're not like, you. We don't have that information. So we thought imagination. So I did keep it down from them a bit, but they brought so much forward as a kid, and I just kept where they were.

Alex Ferrari 22:43
It's, it's interesting, because people don't really talk about this aspect of, you know, the psychic medium journey. Because, you know, if you have kids, like, how do you deal with this? How are you going to do it? Like, What's are you going to go for all in and start training them like, it's Hogwarts or, you know, or are you going to do it what you did, like, I'm just gonna let them take the lead.

Jamie Butler 23:03
If you make some Jedis out there

Alex Ferrari 23:05
Exactly, exactly, exactly. It's really interesting perspective. That's why I like talking to psychic mediums and kind of grounding it all. Because everyone gets so caught up in the the mystical aspect of it, that they forget that there's a human being who's doing this and is has a journey of their own, and has a family, and has to deal with paying taxes, and has to deal with all of this stuff that we all do as well, but they also have the, not the burden, but the weight of this thing on them that some Carry lovely like you do at this point. I hope that you're at this point. You're carrying it very lightly now, and it's just part of who you are, but there's others who struggle with it like you did at the beginning. So it's, it's a way to humanize what you guys are doing, and the beautiful magic that you're bringing into the world, and the beautiful messages you're bringing into the world and healing that you're bringing into the world.

Jamie Butler 24:02
I am so digging the buckets of compassion that you're throwing towards people that are coming through waking up. Because it is definitely a it's definitely real,

Alex Ferrari 24:14
If I may. And I'm sorry, audience, I always bring this movie Up, if you could, if I look at the matrix when, when someone is being pulled out of the matrix, they're they get, they wake up, and they're in that big little bubble of that, and they got tubes in them. And it's a very difficult scenario, waking up, and then you're pulled into the the ship, and you're like, you have to wait a few days to kind of rebuild your mind. It's such a journey. If you would have just stayed in the matrix. Life is good. You're ignorant exactly, but once you had to awaken, it was such a struggle to get out of what the truth is. And that's truly the spiritual journey it is. It is a struggle to awaken in this three dimensional space, because this three dimensional space is not. Built for awakened people. Yet, as much as it is, it's getting there. What do you think?

Jamie Butler 25:06
Oh, I'm just sitting here realizing you do you have connected that right, that Connie encouraged all of this, because you're the pivotal point for so many people to come out of ignorance and bliss.

Alex Ferrari 25:20
I she told me, I have the mission of speaking to the masses, and that's the mission I'm doing right now, is speaking to the masses about this stuff. Yeah. So, yeah, I know about that. And apparently, after the show is done, it's what it's been doing, there has been a lot of people who have not only awakened but started to investigate their own journeys, and where a launching point, where then they go off and go to a teacher or start reading books or taking courses or understanding what you would have liked to have at 18 or 19 or 20, instead of having to go to, you know, the lecture somewhere, and this woman coming up, hey, Come to my house that could have ended very badly, Jamie, I'm just throwing that out there that could have ended very, very badly. I'm just, I've seen way too much Dateline in my day. But yes, I think Connie had that well, she knew that. She told me she knew that when she met me at 23 and for everyone listening, Connie is my spiritual guide. She's been guiding me a living spiritual guide, I have to preface that. And she's been on the show about six times already. And she is very spicy to say the least. She's a very spicy, spicy, oh yeah, she calls it out. You know, as she does, she's at an age she just doesn't care anymore, which is like, and that's the best eight. Like, you just like, I'll say whatever I want to say, I'm 90. What the hell. So she's wonderful in that way.

Jamie Butler 26:55
I like that.

Alex Ferrari 26:56
Yeah, all right. So you, you so now you've gotten a grasp of the psychic medium aspect of it. And to my understanding, you can be psychic without being a medium, but you can't be a medium without being psychic

Jamie Butler 27:07
Nail it! Yes, that's how I see it, too, in terminologies, yeah,

Alex Ferrari 27:11
Yeah, exactly. But then we throw in this other little mixture ingredient into the mix, which is channeling. So how did you discover your channeling ability, and how did you deal with that psychologically when it came in? Because it's a very different set of skills, channeling versus being a psychic medium. It's adjacent, but very different on the nervous system, on everything. So can you explain that what happened?

Jamie Butler 27:37
I was at that woman's house.

Alex Ferrari 27:41
It was could have ended badly.

Jamie Butler 27:42
It could have ended badly, and it was an ability that she could do. And she channeled the spirit, several spirits, but one spirit named Maitland, and she had a metal hip, a plate in her hip, so she couldn't sit criss cross applesauce with her legs. The hip joint doesn't move that way. There's a metal plate like stopping it. And Maitland came into her body and plopped her 60 something year old body down on the ground and folded up those legs and started chatting away and singing and doing all this wild stuff. And I'm watching, I'm like, This is crazy. And when we told her what happened, she goes, that's impossible. She went and got the X ray from the surgery. She was like, Look. And she would show us how she would try to move her leg in that direction, and it would just stop. She's like, No. So we started filming it, and it was, it was intriguing to watch spirit maneuver a person's body past the node or knowing limitations, known limitations. And I was interested in that. And then one day, she looked at me, and she goes tonight, we had, she had 20 people gathered. She goes tonight, Jamie is going to channel. And I looked at her, and I went, Oh no, she's not like we haven't talked about this. I didn't tell ever, ever hint that this is what I wanted to do. She's like, Yeah, but you can, I see it in you, and this is going to help, like a lot of people. And I said, Well, I'm respectfully declined, not interested, and I'm 20, 20, mid 21 I don't know young, and I'm in a room full of 40, 50, 60, year olds who've had their midlife crisis, and that's kind of why they were gathering, because they found this spiritual world beyond that midlife break. They're out of the routine. They're waking up. And I'm just beginning to learn how to be in a routine, and I'm in college, and I'm like, I'm not going to do this. And she goes, that's okay. Sit down, Follow my finger. And she started a hypnosis dialog. And I was like, fine woman, I'll entertain you. I'll follow through. It's not going to happen. I wake up, I look around the room, everybody's staring at me, and. And I'm like, see didn't happen, but they filmed it. Yeah, it was like two hours long, and I gave a message, not me, spirit. Gave a message to everybody, individually in the room. And she was like, that was exactly what I could see you do. And it scared me to think that I wasn't consciously aware there's different levels of channeling. You do it in an interview, I bet you, you all of a sudden start saying words, and in the back of your head you're like, Damn, that's good. Like, I like what they're where this is going. I'm learning from myself in real time, speaking out loud. That's a form of channeling, because it's not running through your analytical, logical mind that can pick and choose. It's not through your filter. Then you have, like, automatic writing. And then you have, you know, where you're hearing voices and speaking so you know you're doing it, but it's like an auctioneer. It's just really quick. Then you have it where you can completely be disconnected, like full incorporation, and the spirit comes in. So this is like Edgar Cayce, Abraham. Abraham Hicks. What's her name?

Alex Ferrari 31:10
Abraham Esther.

Jamie Butler 31:12
Esther, thank you, Esther. There's several other people out there that work this way, and I didn't get to rev up, per se, to get to that point of checking out. So I wrestled a lot with the absence of knowing what occurred and how was my body being taken care of. Where's my autonomy? What does it mean if I surrender something like that and then coming back to and listening to everybody's experience. You know, you fall into the imposter syndrome. Like, how that? Like, I didn't do that. Like, that's not me, how I don't know how to look at people in the eyes after channeling, you know, it took me a long time to develop the skill for afterwards going, all right, does anybody want to talk about the material or just reminding people I don't remember it. So don't come to me thinking, I'm going to pick back up where we just were, because I got to learn from you first. I think it's in my body. I really think the information is stored somewhere, but consciously it's just stretched out. And I wonder if it's done as a mechanism of safety, we're just going to black her out so she doesn't interfere, because she agreed to it. So we're good. Is it that, or is it that I have really reached a place where I'm like, I'm in the feeling of protection, safety, love, respect, and I'm like, take it away, guys. I'm just gonna step out. So at this point in my career, which is like 30 odd years of doing this. It's um, it's a healthy level of both. But it was not smooth sailing at the beginning. It was not fun. I thought it was crazy, sleepless nights, nervousness. So this is just from this is just from channeling, just from channeling. That's all

Alex Ferrari 33:01
That's fascinating. You, you've been seeing dead people walking around forever. You, you have psychic abilities. You can tell people what's going on, and yet, the channeling just took you over the top. You're like, I think I'm going crazy. How could you think you're going crazy? You see dead people. What is wrong with you?

Jamie Butler 33:19
Alex, they're getting into your body. That's your private zone.

Alex Ferrari 33:22
I know it's just, but I just find it so fascinating that you that you couldn't make the leap, that this is also happening from where you've been already. It's just, I found it. I found it super fascinating that that still freaked you out, and it didn't freak you out, it also freaked you out a lot,

Jamie Butler 33:38
Lot, a lot. And then I had this one moment where I went into a channeling session and I crossed over. We're going to use the term crossover, like there's a here and a there, and time is linear, just for shits and giggles, for easy conversation. So I crossed over, and I had an experience in the after World, the Beyond Heaven, however you want to describe that. And it was, I was line and sinker. I was ready to go. Don't, don't take me back. I mean, I was ready to leave the house, the husband, the everything, the animals. I was good. I was fine. Everything was going to be okay, and I knew it, and I was good. And they were like, Oh, I'm sorry, your ticket has expired and you need to return to your body. And I was like, Oh, that's not happening. And I behaved so unruly. I'm talking, if I could bite someone, I would have bitten someone like, I screamed, I I tried to throw my energy out, like trying to put a cat in a cat carrier. It was like, and I remember looking at the back of my head, my hair, and going, No, no, no, no, no, like screaming as they slap you back in and I looked at the person sitting in front of me who was absorbing the information from the channeling they just received. And I looked at them in a panic, and I said, I can't be here anymore. And I did a little psychotic break, you know, I started, like, undoing things and taking stuff off and removing books from shelves. I was like, I don't need any of this anymore. These are, this is clutter. These are things I don't need materials anymore. I need like, I had gone so far and seen so much, and I carried it back with me. I couldn't assimilate the information, and it just it took me so long to do it. And I was like, I don't know if I'm going to channel again. I certainly am channeling, but I will say, Alex, since that day, I have not really been invited to have an experience like that again. And I'm wondering, I mean, is my behavior?

Alex Ferrari 35:36
I was about to say, I wouldn't invite you back either, Jamie, after that, you know you're throwing basically a tantrum. On the other side, it's you are a very fascinating soul in this, in this journey. I find you very interesting because you seem to be fighting this every step of the way.

Jamie Butler 35:58
Why

Alex Ferrari 36:00
It's but it's fascinating, because you like, if, look, if this would have happened to me on my, my personal just, you know, dude, brain would be like, All right, I see dead people, fine. Oh, I channel now, cool. That's my own energy. Like, like, I'm like, All right, cool, whatever. I wouldn't be so, but that's just me and my journey personally. Maybe I don't have the trauma that you had, you know, your ancestral trauma that you had to deal with, and all the other stuff that you had to deal with. So I would be like, Yeah, cool. I'm channeling All right, great, oh, I can float now. Fine. Like, oh, I'm astral traveling. Cool. I could have a near death experience at whim and just come back. Awesome. So it seemed like you were channeling, and you're the first channel I've ever heard that has an experience while they're channeling, and it was a one time deal with you, but it was still an experience. It almost sounded like a near death experience. Yeah, it's like you went out somewhere else. Because normally, when channels are channeling, they either they they say, it's kind of like putting yourself in the back seat of a car, and you're aware of what's happening sometimes, but it's almost Dream like, in the way, you can't remember what I said. Some of them don't remember anything. Some of them, like, I kind of remember it like it was a dream. But then the minutes that go by, the less I can remember it kind of thing. But you went like, Hey, I'm just going to take off, and you were gone experience this amazing place, and then they said, You got to go back, and I'm like, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not going back. And they threw you back. But the psychotic break is interesting, because you came back and you couldn't process what you had happened again with all the experience you have. I know Bill couldn't process it and you broke it's fascinating.

Jamie Butler 37:47
It's like I have some passion and love for being human. And I think one of my if we want to call it a skill or a destiny or a talent, I don't put whatever word you want on it. My excitement about being here this way, is that I really love being human. I really love Earth, I love nature, I love food. I love food. I love these experiences. I like looking at the sky. I like smelling the sweet air after the rain like I love it. And I also have half of my being in this completely different dimensional realm. And so when I go to do my work, I passionately love waking people up to their own abilities, their own way, not like some rote factory way, like this was a process, step 1234, and you have a result, because that's not how this is. We're all so different, and I love it so much, I think I linger so hard on being human, so that I can speak to it from that angle. So I guess gently, instead of because most people will come to me and they want to wake up, they want to leave all that behind being human, all the human stuff. I don't want to have responsibility. I don't want to have to deal with money. I don't want to have deal with and they poo poo. It like when they talk about their chakra system and their energy, and they want spiritual awakening, they're trying to dive only into the third eye, into the crown, the above energies. That's where I need to be. I'm like, Oh, you are sorely missing the point. You need to get down. You need to get into things. You need to get into the earth, chakra, the root, the sacral, the solar, and through that balance of both of them, that's when you fly. So part of me thinks that big dichotomy of the struggle that I present in my growth is to help me develop language and experiences, to get other people to feel safe, and, you know, safe enough to unfurl their energy, to have their experience.

Alex Ferrari 39:44
So you went through all of this because you had to, and it's part of your skill set to be able to do the work you're doing.

Jamie Butler 39:53
Yes. I use it for that,

Alex Ferrari 39:56
Yeah. So like, for me, it would be like I had to go through 30 years of. Film Industry, being a filmmaker, to now get to this place where now I'm creating conscious media, conscious content for our streaming platform, and starting to do so. I'm like, oh, okay, that's why I went through all of that, because I needed to do that as well, among many other things that happened to me that I look back and like, why did that happen? Like, oh, if I didn't, if that horrible thing wouldn't have happened, I probably wouldn't be probably wouldn't be doing this work and something along those lines. So it's, it's still fascinating to see how you struggled and fought every inch, every inch of the way through this process. You did mention, you mentioned the awakening, and this year being 2025, is people are awakening more and more. Can you talk about, from your point of view, what's happening to humanity? Arguably, I'd say it started in 2012 but really kicked up into high gear, 2020 basically, January, 2020 it was like a rock. It's been, it's been a hell of a roller coaster so far. So what is happening to humanity. What is going to happen in this year, if you think and then, what's the hopeful end game for all of this? Because it's a rough ride right now for a lot of people, not for everybody, but for a lot of people,

Jamie Butler 41:13
It is a rough ride. Change isn't always easy, as my guy Grace tells me quite frequently, if you want to remain constant, always change, because change is the only constant. I know that's been quoted out there many, many times, but she likes to repeat it to me several times. 2025 I've noticed, I I agree that 2012 is when it started to shift. 2016 was like, there's panic of speed. And it was like, Whoa, start giving birth to things now 2016 give, give, give. Like, create the place for where the next hit, the 2020 could land. And then it's just been growing. But this year is the flip. It's the switch. And there's all kinds of talks and theories of 70,000 year cycles and how we're getting close to the end, or we're right, actually, in the middle of another cycle of energy coming through, just for Earth and herself and the history of her. But for me, I've watched through, and I give thanks. This might sound weird to quarantine. I am so grateful for quarantine. Oh, my God, I have never well, maybe because I'm only looking at this lifetime, but watch so many mental bodies of different people come together and wake up and go, Oh, wait, I was asleep, and now I'm slightly awake now, and I don't like that, and I'm going to do something that generates happiness for me. Oh, my God, in that mass consciousness level, it got to a certain peak where the theory of the 100th monkey, and then when so many monkeys do one thing in an island, the next island goes, Oh, we have that idea too, and now we do it, but there was no education, teaching or interaction between the two. And so all of this energy got into the subtle, light, energetic field, and now everybody has access to it, and that is plugged in now. So that's been plugged in for several years, and now we're flipping into the Oh my gosh. We are plugged in. We actually have a power source. First, it was like, let's just get used, to get connecting. And we're all learning and knowing and adjusting. Now it's, oh, my God, I have a power to shift, to change. And we're watching, you know, governments. We're watching not to get into all the politics or war topics and things of that nature, but we're watching certain things come to the surface, where it's relying on mass voices to speak up. And in this rumbling, the energy is kind of kind of raining up from the earth and falling down in a more self organized way, where people are finding more of their energy. So people will wake up and just go, Okay, I've lived here all my life, and it's not for me anymore. I gotta go. And they'll just change. They'll leave their jobs, they'll pack up things, they'll situate go to other countries, like all the energy is shifting on Earth, and we're gonna start watching the tectonic plates are shifting again, like it is all moving and shaking. But to the ultimate end of it, when we look at our awareness of this life, the choices that we make, every choice spawns a parallel life. And so just nod with me, or like, go in, heavy with me, and then that parallel existence goes from what I understand or from what I witnessed, it goes as far as it can until the energy can't feed itself anymore and it dissipates. So these are like these feeder lines, and then we have time not linear. So our language of duality is collapsing. And and our language is built on it. And unfortunately, we have more words in the English language for separation and war and disconnect than we do for love and unity and harmony. So we're trying to figure out this dichotomy of good, bad, yes, no, black, white, and as spiritual energy as it's reorganizing, self organizing is coming away from the extremes, and it's going to come right down the middle. And so the absolute words that we have in our vocabulary always, never, all the labels we like to use, he's, lazy, happy, good, bad. These aren't going to hold a frequency that we can all understand, because the definitions are going to get spread out because the duality, the labeling, the exact like the drive for judgment and analytical and things of that nature are lifting. And so we're kind of coming down the middle line. So when we understand the middle line, and that time is not linear, so we're not measuring this way all of our other incarnations that we've chose to do within our energetic existence. However you want to look at that as God source all that is if you have a specific religion or spiritual approach that you go for solid. Keep a hold of it. If it's supporting you, I cheer you on, but I ask that you check in with yourselves, because if it's not supporting you anymore, I hope that you find the bravery and the courage to really sit down with it and ask why. Because that's how the growth is going to happen. So as we come into this time is not linear. We have access now, Alex, to all of our incarnations, to all of their knowledge and their experience and what's going on with them, whether that is in a similar incarnation, similar time on Earth, or if it's what we call the past, or it's what we call the future, or if it's what we call multi dimensional incarnation, which is not even a earthly terrain incarnation, it's elsewhere. And when I talk about incarnations on Earth, I also want to include the trees. I want to include insects. I want to include animals. All of anything on earth has sentience and consciousness in it, but the way that we define things as humans, we don't see it yet, not completely. Some people really do. Some people do, but not all of us yet. And so 2025 is giving us that flip to where we're discovering a new language, our vocabulary is shifting. How we're leading ourselves, maybe not by head, but by emotion, by a different field of energy is coming in, and that's going to allow us to there's all kinds of words for this. I don't have a particular favorite one, but you hear some people say, go from 3d, to 5d, ascend, lift, change, dimensions. It's whatever it is. We're in a moment of evolution, and this is a very thick year for you to really see, taste and sense it, and not 100% people across the board are going to be going through it. That's an interesting thing too. Is that there's choice in it, whether you believe it's a free will choice, or you believe it's contracted by you before you came into an incarnation, whatever it is, not everybody is taking this path or a path that is similar to this.

Alex Ferrari 48:17
I like that you went down to the deep end and swam a little bit the idea of the the parallel realities that we are creating. What I understood, it's similar to you. Yours is a little bit different, and I like what you said, that it dissipates after the energy doesn't can't feed it anymore. From my understanding that every choice, not every mundane choice, but every major choice, spits off something so like, Did did Jamie move to New York and get that job? Or did she stay in her hometown? Did she marry Bob, or did she marry Jay? You know, like and like, well, let's see what and you always wonder, like, what would have happened if I would have married my high school sweetheart? Like, what would have happened? Who was that Alex? Who is that, Jamie. I wonder what would happen. Well, I guess Spirit also wants to know what happens. And there is a version of us out there doing those things. There's a version where you had no problems with all your gifts, and you floated through it easily, because in that world, you needed to do something. And there's other ones that you blocked it out completely, and you are still in pain and angry. And why is my life not the way it is? Because you didn't open yourself up, and vice versa for all the so I think we every incarnation gets to experience multiple realities so you can get the most out of this incarnation. It makes it makes logical sense to me, because if you're only coming in once, like Jamie, there's not going to be another Jamie. There's not going to be another Alex like no matter where, generally speaking, that's the Incarnation we have at this time. But could there be many versions of us at the same time? Yes, yes, you know, but I don't see us being born again in Roman times or a full. Future Roman times, or futuristic, you know, Star Trek world, not this exact person with this exact set of you know, everything that's inside of them. It's fascinating. It's fascinating. So let's talk about your channeling. So who, who do you think could come in today to answer a few questions, or if they have something to say,

Jamie Butler 50:20
Who would you like to speak to? The floor is open over here.

Alex Ferrari 50:25
Okay, so, but not everybody like, like, Hey, can you bring Jesus in? No, nothing like that. But who is who can you you tell me, how do you channel? Who do you channel? What's the process? Oh, she's taking her rigs off. She's taking she's getting ready

Jamie Butler 50:42
In fight mode guys,

Alex Ferrari 50:44
Hold my beer. Go ahead. Oh girl, it's going down.

Jamie Butler 50:53
I'm getting that excess frequency off of me, so it makes it a lot easier to get spirit to get in. That's why I'm hosting the white today, normally not found in it as this kind of to me, is the channeling acquire all natural materials, absence of color, sure, but yeah, when I first started, I had really worked with Maitland a lot, and then Maitland started to invite other entities, and so we have, I have worked with so many different frequencies. It's been wonderful for many years. About 11 every month, I would host a channeling, and we'd pack the room. Maitland would start off. Then we'd have a guest speaker. We would never know who it is, and it would be the most interesting of entities, just from different everywhere. And then Grace would come in and ended up and really talk about the structure of things and answer questions. So

Alex Ferrari 51:51
And the guest speaker is, like a teacher like this, like they're doing a talk, if you will, about

Jamie Butler 51:56
Yeah, yeah. They would give a lesson and, like, field questions about that material, and then go into a Q and A I know I don't have my center right now. I do hope to be building it in the near future, so fingers crossed on that I'll bring all that back to life

Alex Ferrari 52:13
Before we start. I want to kind of clarify something, because there's a lot of people who watch this who are terrified of the others of this situation, just like you were, but not because of what's happening, but what could happen, meaning, like, how do you know who you're channeling? Best question I always get all the time, how do you know it's not a demon, and how you know it's not a negative energy, and how do you know it's not that? And I always answer, I'm like, just listen to the words coming out of the person's mouth. Is it about love and unity and trying to teach if that's a demon, horrible, horrible at their job, horrible at their job. So that's how I always present it, but, but in all honesty, there are, to my understanding, there are negative energies out there. There are darker, darker energies and darker spirits out there. But how do you discern who's coming in, like, Who's Who's your bouncer at the door, who's allowing people in, in and out?

Jamie Butler 53:09
I actually call him a gatekeeper. I didn't have terminology for these things, and I consider it somebody who's like a bouncer. So when I I teach trance channeling skills, and in that we get comfortable with meditation. If you're comfortable with meditation, you got a great beginning that's being comfortable with your own thoughts. Now, if you're someone who's really mental and take the edge of the Debbie downer, always risk assessment survival mode, this is probably not your your field. You really need to make peace with that thing before you can get calm enough to get into believing what you are saying is creating a reality, because that is an ultimate truth. What you believe in is your truth, and that's what will be shaped. So if you believe that, you can create a wall, but then you have a back thought that goes, Yeah, but it looks like Swiss cheese. And this can come through and that can come through. I mean, not everything is perfect, and that's exactly what you're building for yourself, a wall with holes in it. What are you going to do? So I really work with people to focus on what your words are. Build a bond with it. Then once you have that together, where you call it prayer, intent, affirmation, Mantra, then we start working with Spirit, who is going to be your Spirit to help you manage who's coming in and out. For me, it's my grandfather on my mother's side. His name is Leroy. And so Leroy stands with me and helps in and out. And of course, my guides, Maitland and grace that I work with a lot, are also very present. So I know whoever gets through them, like a bouncer can is welcome into my body, and they know the rules of my body. So just like you would have rules at your restaurant, you know, no throwing food, no this, because I have come back from channeling and Maitland. Who, again, presents herself as a younger entity, very playful, very creative, little mischievous, but in a positive like helping way, she I used to sketch people's auras when they would come to me, so I have these chalks out. And she took chalk and she put makeup on me, like rosy cheeks and blue things and stuff, convinced who I was with to not tell me that she had done it. How would I know? So I come back, we say, Bye, we leave. My mom comes over for a visit, and she goes, Oh, you trying something new. And I said, No, I'm not doing anything new these days. She says, What? What about the makeup? I was like, what? I went to the bathroom, looked at the mirror, blue, red this. I was like, what the we're creating? Some ground rules, people, you cannot put makeup on me. You she had braided my hair so thin I used to have really long hair. Had to cut it out because I couldn't undo the braid. So, I mean, these aren't life changing, awful things, but it's her exploring the body and wanting to participate with it. So you set rules, no eating, no this, no that most of the entities obviously respect that right away. But you know, there's some that are just so close with you. They embody you. It's wild,

Alex Ferrari 56:17
Fascinating, fascinating. Okay, so bring in whoever. How, I'll leave it up to you. You started it, you started up. And we'll and I have questions, and if they want to do a little lesson, I'm all about that, and we can go from there.

Jamie Butler 56:31
Oh, my God, Alex, I was gonna leave it up to you. Oh, I mean, there's choice. Alex,

Alex Ferrari 56:37
Well, I mean, so I don't know the I don't know the deck. So who's who can come in.

Jamie Butler 56:44
Let's choose between Grace and Maitland.

Alex Ferrari 56:48
Okay, so, and what's Grace's energy?

Jamie Butler 56:51
Sweet, kind, very knowledgeable, explains a lot of big things very gently. She's more of a entity that helps people incarnate on Earth. So she talks a lot in those terms and about psychic abilities, whereas Maitland is more of a loose cannon and full of energy,

Alex Ferrari 57:12
It's definitely that. And how will we know? If I like, can I bring in, let's say we bring in Maitland first, and then we want to bring in grace. Let's do that, and she and she'll kind of understand, like she'll know when to Okay, Grace wants to just

Jamie Butler 57:27
Talk to her about it. Yeah.

Alex Ferrari 57:28
Okay, fantastic. And what's your process, by the way, what's your process? So people understand how you are channeling now, like how you get into the into the zone,

Jamie Butler 57:38
After 30 years of practicing this, for me, it feels like I go to sleep, so you're going to watch me take a few deep breaths. I usually nod my head as an agreement that I'm ready to let go. And it's a really deep surrender, feeling like, if you've ever been really tired and in bed, and you roll over to your favorite position and you go, Wow, I'm about to fall asleep, and you feel that more. That's what it feels like. And then she will come right on in. And if you're practicing seeing subtle light energy, you might notice a bit of a light show on the right side over here, between my ear and my shoulder. I've got a lot of acknowledgement that this is, this is where I go out, you can see it on recordings, so no problem. So check out over here. And if you're new to seeing energy, just soften your body, Buddha belly. Let your Buddha belly hang like relax your muscles. Keep your eyes open. Focus on the air. Point not what's behind me, but on the air. Keep your eyes open, don't blink, let things fuzz out, and then just hang there and see if you can catch the shift afterwards. I guess when you say goodbye to grace, it'll take me a little moment to kind of come back. Okay, okay, I will see you later. Alex,

Alex Ferrari 59:02
I will see you in a little bit.

Jamie Butler 59:09
Okay, right there. Oh, my microphone is here.

Alex Ferrari 59:26
Hi, Maitland, how are you?

Jamie Butler 59:28
I'm good. How are you?

Alex Ferrari 59:30
I'm very good. I'm very good. What is there anything you'd like to say to the audience before we get started with questions?

Jamie Butler 59:38
Hi audience, I tend let me get comfortable. I want you to get comfortable too. I like to call people who are into this, searching for the spiritual growth and everything. We call them luminaires. It's people who shine light. So hi, luminaires. And what do I want you to know before. We begin is that I'm nine years old. I choose to be nine years old. I don't have to be nine years old. I choose it because when my last my my last incarnation, I was on earth, and I really liked being young and playful, and I noticed that when I would talk to people, even if it was about really crazy things, that they would listen to me and they would laugh about it with me, because they found it really entertaining. And so when I crossed over, I actually I transitioned when I was six. And so I've been here for a really long time, and then when I had the opportunity to start helping people on earth with all kinds of things, but what I really like to help people do is remember where they came from. And I really like to talk about animals and multi dimensional and I actually like talking about the economy. I know that sounds very funny, but I like those things. So when I start talking about those big things, I noticed that if I kept my playfulness and my fun and my curiosity and my giggle, that people would listen more and they wouldn't be less it would be less threatening and less scary, because there's so much change going on right now, and that when you get into it, and then you start to realize what you can do, and how sensitive you are that you could, you could really overwhelm yourself, and that's not fun.

Alex Ferrari 1:01:30
Well, thank you for that. Well, since you brought it up, what is your understanding of the economy? Because a lot of people are afraid of where the economy is going around the world. So what do you feel that the economy is doing now and in the next five years or so,

Jamie Butler 1:01:45
It's shaking a lot, and it's I'm very happy to know that people are slightly nervous about it, because it means that they respect it and that they're not just going all in. So what I like to tell people is that, at least for this year, no this year, next year in 2027 the way that you want to preserve your your money or your financial energy, because everything is energy, that if you have a good relationship with your financial energy, I would Put it with gold, like gold, real gold, not like gold, like the socks I would put in silver, because this is going to continue to get stronger and stronger over this year and next year, and in fact, in the near future, not the far future, but the near future, you're going to be using Some of that as exchange for materials and services, but that's that's not what everything is turning into. I just want to own you to know that it's not all going there, but you are going to be using some of that on the side. And then another place that I would put your money is property, and that's a global statement right there, because there are so many governments right now that are buying up properties and helping, I think, but it's not really a help, helping people stay in poverty by making a rent culture rather than an owning culture, which is not really good. So if you can own your own property and have your financial energy and that it's really rewarding, and it will give back to you a lot. And then, if you want to talk about crypto, or Bitcoin and things of that nature, is not as volatile as it was before. In the beginning, it was really scary to watch. It was like the most extreme roller coaster ride that you would ever want to be on. But now, since last November, it's going to be leveling off some, but it's still kind of up and down. So it has to be financial energy that you want to play somewhere and watch it get agitated and shaked around, and where you don't have to dip into it right away. So at least a five year no touch zone, but that it will grow for you. It's not going to collapse because the digital coin. Am I talking too much? Is it okay if I say all that

Alex Ferrari 1:03:59
You're good, you're good.

Jamie Butler 1:04:00
You got so quiet. So the digital stuff is going to grow, and it's also going to start merging into this is how people will spend money, in a global sense. It won't just be from country to country to country. It's going to be what you can call like global currency.

Alex Ferrari 1:04:21
So what is the biggest challenge that humanity is facing in the future, spiritual and three dimensional? The biggest challenge? Yeah, one of the biggest challenges that humanity is

Jamie Butler 1:04:32
Okay, one of the biggest challenges. Because there's a few, I would say one of it. And if I'm looking at everybody in the world, I would say fear. I would put that as number one. And it's just, it's like everybody deals with fear differently. But I would like for people, when you find yourself in a fear response, or, like, nervous and you want to. It away, because people will say, Well, I'm just nervous about it, but really, you might have been fearful about it. Where you want to seek avoidance, I would like people to understand that when you come into fear, you're actually not aware of the the choices that you can make, like the amount of opportunity or different possibilities that you could generate in that very moment. And so if we use the feeling of fear as a button that pushes in your body to say, look at this from a different angle, try on a different pair of glasses, like quickly use that as the use it as the opportunity, or the motivation to switch gears. Because if you could switch gears in that moment, all of a sudden, you will gain perspective and through everything that's happening. I really want people to have a larger perspective, especially in relationship to satellite energy. It's a spirit. Thank you for that.

Alex Ferrari 1:06:09
So a lot of people are afraid of AI right now. How will AI affect our spiritual growth moving forward?

Jamie Butler 1:06:15
It's like, I want to talk about it in two ways. Is that okay? Go for it. So AI will be extremely helpful. I know a lot of people don't want to hear that, but with its learning curve and everything that it's putting together, and it's processing information and giving sweeping views and like deep words to people like some people are just mesmerized by it, and they think that it's spirit talking directly to them and like they're embodied with it. So I say it's helpful because, and this is something to think about when you're getting a message from someone and it really resonates with you, and it's changed your life, and you could just put it on right away, and you're like, This is bliss. This is everything I was looking for. And I'm just so grateful that kind of helped. Okay, does it really matter where it came from? Does it matter that it came from God's source, the earth, mother, Mary? Does it matter that came from a multi dimensional or a denser entity or a demon, because you said demon earlier, I thought I'd use that word again. Does it matter where it came from? Because you're not going to carry the frequency of who said it because you took it and you applied it to you. So when you take it and you apply it to you, it has your imprint. It did it right for you. So AI is going to be doing lots of helpful thing for people. The downfall, the second thing that I want to talk about, it's like a pacifier. It's not letting people have their experiences. It's like people are going to want to go into AI, to have AI, tell them the experience, and then they're going to pretend that they had it. But see, Being human means that you agree to an experiential life, because when you go through the experience, you change the the the chemical makeup in the body. You change how you're made. That that's where the upgrades come from. That's that. That's where your DNA starts to get activated. It starts to be used differently. And if we skip that ho we're doing a huge disservice to the instrument that you agreed to take care of.

Alex Ferrari 1:08:45
Can you explain to people why the the institutions around the world are so falling apart that they're crumbling around us, from our religion to our governments to our economies to mass media to medical to food, all of these systems. What is the purpose, and how can we overcome the fear that we're dealing with?

Jamie Butler 1:09:06
Education,

Alex Ferrari 1:09:08
All of it,

Jamie Butler 1:09:09
All of them. Isn't that fun to say? Do you know we've been waiting for this for a really, really, really, really, really long time, and you on earth could have done it in steps. You could have been fixing one and then like moving to the next one. But no, there was this fear, and fear held everything that was not working for you in place so that you could stay the same and stay with your blinders and not notice anything and be okay and live in ignorance is bliss, so when things are crumbling and falling, you've been taught to look at that as a negative, or I don't really like the word negative, but let's say an unfavorable, like it's not not favorable to your outcome, because. It's not going to be supporting you anymore, and that's nerve wracking. And everybody's awakening journey is going to deal with what was fixed turns to fluid, because the human existence likes to try to be fixed. Remember all the labels, and that time is linear, and we're going to put everything down on paper and make it fixed. But when everything, everything that operates inside of you, Alex, all the energy that moves through you, it's fluid. And so when fixed starts to break down and you become fluid, that's a completely different experience. And so it's kind of like being born again or having two phases in your life. And so those people who really want the systems and the structures to work and to be in place, because they're heady and they're logical, and they like to use the left side of their brain a whole lot. I say to you, do those systems in place support humanity, like the vote from here on forward, from 2025 forward, is going to be the vote for humanity, not the vote to protect money, or the vote for, you know, uh, to I don't know what else to call it, um, corporations and the vote to preserve corruption and things of that nature, it's going to be a true vote for humanity. And when I say humanity, I don't just mean the protection and support of human existence. I also mean it with all life forms like the earth and and plants and animals and all those things too.

Alex Ferrari 1:11:39
Um, before we bring Grace in, do you have any final words or parting words you'd like to share with the audience?

Jamie Butler 1:11:45
I like to say first of all, thank you, because I can see in some of you that you have a tickly tummy and you're like, What is this? This is not what I'm used to. But I want you to know that spirits like myself and other entities that are out there, we have personalities. We're not just all like omnipresent, big beings and mass consciousness. We have ways of speaking to you and talking to you and helping you that bring joy to your life. And I'm one of those. And I'm reminding you that I choose to be this way, that I don't have to and that at any time in your life, if you feel like you need any kind of assistance that you can call on me, and I wouldn't mind coming by to help you at all. But if you ever find yourself in your life and you're just not feeling the way that you want to like, call like happiness or joy or content, comfort, settled without pain, if you're just not feeling the way that you would like, I ask of you to change your perspective. What if you address the things that you are so good at knowing you don't like like. You look at the things that you want to say no to, and you choose to love them instead. And it is a muscle you have to build. And I will say, maybe for some of you, it feels really weird at the beginning, but you give it an attention and a love and a kindness, because everything here is for purpose, and everything here is actually to support your best and greatest outcome in your life, always. I know that's a really big statement, but I'm going to say always, and it's up to you to adjust the lenses that you have so that you can see that and be a part of it. That's

Alex Ferrari 1:13:46
Thank you so much. So can we bring Grace in now? Okay, thank you.

Jamie Butler 1:13:54
That's where you go. I'll see you soon. Baboon, okay, thank you. Bye. Hello,

Alex Ferrari 1:14:11
Hello, Grace.

Jamie Butler 1:14:14
I might need a moment after that. It's always like coming in after a bit of a hurricane. All right then, Hello.

Alex Ferrari 1:14:24
Hello, Grace. Thank you for being here. Is there, is there anything you would like to say to start off our conversation with the audience?

Jamie Butler 1:14:34
Oh, a bit of like what my mission is,

Alex Ferrari 1:14:36
Yes. And any advice, any words of wisdom, any lessons that you would like to share before we get started with questions?

Jamie Butler 1:14:43
That's very kind of you. What I would like to say, what I commonly say is, I like to remind people to choose happiness. There's so much opportunity around each. And every one of you, and in that opportunity, you might have a goal in mind, an outcome, something that you have created or designed, but I'd like for you to look past that and ask yourself, is the decision you're about to make, going to bring you all of the joy and the happiness in the world. And yes, I want you to think big. I want you to be grand about this thinking and involvement in the words. And if it's not, what can you adjust in your decision making, which is what you're willingly bringing into your field and into your physical body that will allow more happiness and more joy to resonate. I remind I remind you that the joy, the happiness, the laughter, the curiosity, these frequencies inside of the human body will help lift your energies so that you may have that higher perspective. Now, many of you are looking at this transition between 3d and 5d and with all the changes in the world around you, I can absolutely see why you are doing this. But if you're lost and not knowing which way to go, what book to read, what guru or yoga or teacher to follow, to be, it's not about all of this external, external world feeding your path. That's about you internally feeding your path, and I ask of you to please do so consciously with each choice and each decision that you make based on bringing you happiness, joy and bliss. Thank you for letting me have that moment.

Alex Ferrari 1:17:00
Oh, thank you so much for saying that. My first question to you is, where do you see humanity going in these next five to 10 years? Because a lot of people are fearful of what is happening, and would like to know when's the light at the end of the tunnel supposed to show up.

Jamie Butler 1:17:17
You're very generous for your timeline five to 10 years? Yes, let's do something more urgent and say three to five okay, because the largest shifts are happening now, and we're going to speak as if time is going to unfold in the way that you've always believed it to be quite linear one day after the next. So in these next three to five years, humans, your experience of dimensional planes, your experience of your subtle, light, energetic body, is going to expand, and in this expansion, you're going to be able to use your physical bodies, which you will still obtain. You're not going to leave your physical body behind, but your physical body is going to be able to do more than what it's able to do currently. And in this expansion, you're going to be able to have the opportunity to engage in other dimensional races. And for some of you that will be a quite mental experience, feeling more like telepathy. For some of you that telepathy might feel like empathy, a clear sentient where you have communication within your body, a deep knowing within your physical body, and then for others, you will transcend this 3d to 5d realm that you're playing in, and you'll be able to have more movement between dimensional planes, which doesn't mean that you leave it all behind to never return. That is not it all. You have made a solid agreement to be within this body and to honor this body and the earth, and this is what you will uphold. The more and more you expand your light body over the next three to five years, the more you expand, the more importance that you're going to learn about taking care of the earth. You're not just breathing her air and eating her food to stay alive. You are energetically entwined with her energetic body. So the more and more you learn, we will find in your world, currently in your timeline, the importance of taking care of the soil, the plants, the food, the importance of ridding plastic from the earth and looking at pollution, she will heal so much faster than the amount of time it took for her to become ill. So. Please do not measure timelines as if it took 100 years to pollute her. It will take 100 years of her to heal, because it will not. It can take months if we all work together. And I said we, meaning us in spirit, and you on earth, because we share her light together.

Alex Ferrari 1:20:26
Thank you. The next question is, what is the future of some of the institutions that are falling around, like religion, like Hollywood and the media, like healthcare, like our food systems? So many people are curious about where this is all going. Any of those you could choose, or all of them, if you could choose, if you could tell us where we're going with that in the next three to five years?

Jamie Butler 1:20:49
I like your timeline. All the institutions that you have are shifting. They are changing in a way that is going to support your growth. So we think about an animal in a cage, and when the animal grows larger and it's outgrown its cage, it cannot stay in it, and so it starts to break down, it starts to have new needs. And I know animal in a cage is not a very pleasant thing for you to think of this entrapment, but this is exactly where you are, the majority. Well, no, I want to take that back. It's not the majority anymore. A lot of human potential energy is trapped. It's trapped under the expectation of a few liters of a few strong voices, and it's trapped under it so it cannot be used. The resources cannot be used. And now one by one, you're noticing that these institutions are not working for you. You're learning more truth instead of being told about only the successes, you're learning about the trials and what did not work properly, what went against maybe your constitution or went against your gut instincts, and now you can make wiser and smarter decisions. People on Earth are going to make decisions here from their heart and from their body, not from their knowledge bank. They're going to make it from their experiences. And this is so much more rich and more lively, so these institutions are not going to crumble. Alex, it's not as if somebody comes by with a mallet and just wipes them all off the map. They're going to restructure. They're not going to crumble or fall because these institutions are here. It's going to be quite difficult for humans to creatively see what you can do without them in place. So what you will work on next is restructuring them and taking the pride confidence and understanding of how to rework what already exists. Yes, to have humanity, energy on Earth, plants, people, animals. We keep saying this over and over again, all of us to keep it safe, to keep it thriving. And so once you figure out how to redo the institutions, from that point, that is where you, as people on Earth, decide what institutions do you want to keep and which ones you don't need anymore. And that is going to take more than three to five years. That is going to take us into several decades. But what you're experiencing currently, within the next three years, will feel bigger and larger than any other moment in time. And so this can really exhaust the human body. And so if you're out there right now feeling overwhelmed and exhausted and wondering why this is happening to you. Maybe, are you sick? Are you tired? Or you're not sleeping enough? You're trying to seek answers externally and get control over things. But honestly, for the next three to five years, we'll use that term, the energies that are moving through to restructure are so strong that your physical bodies are not used to it. And when you evolve or make these changes from 3d to 5d it takes a moment to adjust. So if you are tired, my love, sleep. If you are not engaged in what you're doing, please, my love, step back. Don't engage anymore. Listen to what your body needs. Let your body's intelligence be a part of your decision making. Do not ignore it anymore. It is not an animal in a cage anymore. It has a voice, and it's going to speak louder and louder. It. Is going to do so through feelings. Is going to do so through sensations. Give the attention it needs to it that will help you navigate through all of these years, and you will feel tip top, prime energy, and you have a deeper understanding of what all these shifts are, less fear, more love,

Alex Ferrari 1:25:26
Grace. Do you have any parting messages for the audience before you leave?

Jamie Butler 1:25:29
Well, my opening message is usually my parting message to choose happiness. But what I will say, and I say this from all of who I am. You are not alone. You are not alone. And yes, I know your mind might be thinking of your friends, your family, your animal companions, your community, and you say, of course, I'm not alone, but on your spiritual journey, it is a very quiet and individual path, and there are parts where you feel that you are doing it all alone and isolated. But I want you to know that you are not alone. There is so much love in this universe. There is so much support coming to you specifically. You are important, and your voice needs to be heard, and you are part of something fantastic beyond imagination, and each day, we promise to unfold a little bit more information for you so that you may grasp it. Hold on to it. Use it and feel safe being in it. Stay within your love and all will be well. Thank you for your time.

Alex Ferrari 1:27:09
Thank you, Grace.

Jamie Butler 1:27:13
Be well. Godspeed.

Alex Ferrari 1:27:19
Are you back?

Jamie Butler 1:27:19
Yeah.

Alex Ferrari 1:27:25
That was very, very fascinating Jamie,

Jamie Butler 1:27:30
Do you have a good time?

Alex Ferrari 1:27:31
It was fantastic. No, it was I adore both of them. They both have very different energies. Very, very different energies. I wasn't expecting grace to have a British accent. That was, that was a lovely surprise, and it's a pretty solid accent the entire time. It's not like it fluctuated, it's British,

Jamie Butler 1:27:52
Yeah, from first day I met her, she came in with that voice.

Alex Ferrari 1:27:58
How are you feeling right now? Are you? Are you drained?

Jamie Butler 1:28:01
No, I always I feel a little like I've had a glass of wine, and I'm not a big drinker, so a glass of wine, like, let's get going.

Alex Ferrari 1:28:11
So you're but you it kind of like you start sobering up as do you talk a little bit more and more. Got you? Got you

Jamie Butler 1:28:17
Exactly what happens.

Alex Ferrari 1:28:20
So drink and drink water. I know the water is a big thing as well. Thank you so much for that. That was such a beautiful message from both of them, and a lot of lot of great information. I know you don't remember any of it, but you will see it when it comes on the show, so you'll be able to watch it, if you watch these things back or not, but I think it's going to help a lot of people. So I appreciate that. Now, Jamie, I'm going to ask you a few questions. Ask all of my guests, ooh, what is your definition? What is your definition of living a fulfilled life?

Jamie Butler 1:28:52
Gosh, Alex, what a beautiful question. A definition of living a beautiful life. I'm just making up words. This is fun. We should start off just by getting drunk and trying to answer these questions. I'm kidding. That is me joking. A fulfilled life. Okay, I'll pick two things that I'm living by these days. One is, I have to give a shout out to Colleen Ziegler, who, like, is my partner in crime in all of this business. And she told me one day when I went to her and I was like, I just don't know what to do. And she's like, Jamie, if it's not a hell yes, it's a no. And I was like, oh my god, okay, beautiful. So if I've got a or, okay, it's actually a no. So I live by the hell yes rule. And the second. One that's helping my emotional and spiritual body is if I need to disappoint someone when I'm making a decision, it needs to be somebody else and not me. I don't need to disappoint myself anymore, and it has just led me into places of pure happiness and peace as I advocate for my own needs.

Alex Ferrari 1:30:26
Beautifully said. Beautifully said, if you had a chance to go back in time and speak to little Jamie, what advice would you give her?

Jamie Butler 1:30:33
I mentioned a little this before go to college for psychology, I think what I would tell her, who I don't know, there's so much. I mean, I believe in you, dang Alex, that one got me in my heart,

Alex Ferrari 1:31:02
When you're looking at Yeah, when you're looking at your little self, like you, remember back to that, like, three or four year old version of you, and you just want to hug them, and you want to give them just the biggest hug in the world. And it's, yeah, I know it's, it's emotional. It's emotional, yeah? Well, let me ask you this. Then, what would little Jamie's advice to you be today?

Jamie Butler 1:31:29
Keep playing, keep laughing. Stay curious. Definitely stay curious.

Alex Ferrari 1:31:36
How do you define God or Source?

Jamie Butler 1:31:38
Oh, my God. I don't have a spoken word for it, Alex, it's like to feeling, and it's a feeling that fully supports a knowing, but it's, I can't express it in this human container. It's everything and nothing. What is love? It's everything and nothing.

Alex Ferrari 1:32:03
Fair enough. Fair enough. That's an answer. That's an answer. I'm okay with that. Next question is, how do you define liberation in this lifetime?

Jamie Butler 1:32:14
Ooh, liberation, like freedom, the ability to prioritize your own needs.

Alex Ferrari 1:32:20
And finally, what is the ultimate purpose of this life?

Jamie Butler 1:32:25
To experience love and all of its variations love absolutely.

Alex Ferrari 1:32:31
And where can people find out more about you and the amazing work you're doing in the world?

Jamie Butler 1:32:35
Oh, you can find me over on my website, at jamiebutlermedium.com, or hanging out on my webs you still like out of it. This is the biggest challenge. Alex, to YouTube. Jamie Butler Medium, all the social medias. YouTube, yeah, this is going really well.

Alex Ferrari 1:32:58
I'm gonna have to have you stand up and do a sobriety test.

Jamie Butler 1:33:03
Seriously, all the social media accounts. jamiebutlermedium like, you can just head there and then that will take you out to our learning platforms, like over on learn it live and everywhere we are

Alex Ferrari 1:33:17
Perfect. And do you have any parting messages for the audience?

Jamie Butler 1:33:21
Wow, yes, my spirit team told me this, and I probably laughed for several days, and then I started saying it, but it's not woo, woo, it's true, true.

Alex Ferrari 1:33:36
Oh, I like that. I might have to take that one. I'm sorry that's it's not woo, woo. It's true, true. That's so awesome. It's true, beautiful. That's beautiful, beautiful. Jamie, it's been such a pleasure having you on the show. I do truly believe that this conversation is going to help a lot of people watching it for me for years to come, and it was such a pleasure meeting both of those beautiful souls who came through today and their beautiful messages to the audience. So I appreciate you and everything you're doing to awaken this planet. So thank you again.

Jamie Butler 1:34:09
Thank you so much, Alex. Same to you everything that you've done. Thank you for being the lighthouse and guiding some people into some new territories.