Inside the Studio: Near-Death Experience Reveals Humanity’s Future with Gary L. Wimmer

Gary L. Wimmer 0:00
Yeah, the car that hit me, the whole front end bagged in, the windshield broken, and here I am standing up, going, perfectly fine, perfectly fine. Confused, but I thought I'm just gonna walk home. This is too weird. I can't deal with it

Alex Ferrari 0:15
Seems like something would happen in Austin.

Gary L. Wimmer 0:19
And they also said the things you saw you will see in this lifetime, and I've seen a lot of what I saw in these pictures. Nobody is 100% accurate about everything.

Alex Ferrari 0:30
Because we have free choice.

Gary L. Wimmer 0:31
Because we have free will.

Alex Ferrari 0:43
I'd like to welcome to the show. Gary L Wimmer, how you doing Gary?

Gary L. Wimmer 0:46
Great! and I'm extremely honored. Thank you for having me.

Alex Ferrari 0:50
Absolutely my friend. Thank you so much for coming on the show. We're going to be talking about your near death experience, talking about the book you wrote, a second in eternity, and your other book as well, which we'll get into when we ask the question about it, because I have no idea about the other book about the reading of stones and things like that. So we'll talk about all that in a little bit. But before we get into your near death experience. What was your life like before you died, before you had your near death experience?

Gary L. Wimmer 1:15
Well, I suppose it was kind of interesting. I was the third of seven brothers. I had two older brothers and four younger ones. We were all raised Catholic. I was an altar boy. Knew the whole mass in Latin, and I had strong interest in God and spirituality. And now, however, when puberty hit, I said to say goodbye to Catholic.

Alex Ferrari 1:38
I've been trying to explain that to my wife, and she doesn't understand that. So you guys were like, No, you don't understand what happened.

Gary L. Wimmer 1:45
It's a freight train

Alex Ferrari 1:46
It's un, it's You've no idea. Is it like 13 to I want to say 17 18, or maybe 40

Gary L. Wimmer 1:53
13 to 70

Alex Ferrari 1:55
13 to 70 it's still going hard.

Yeah, yeah. So puberty hit, and all of a sudden the church wasn't, yeah,

Gary L. Wimmer 2:03
I just couldn't deal with the church anymore. I thought, you can't even deal with human sexuality. And so I started in college, started reading a lot of Edgar Cayce and Madame Blavatsky and Ruth Montgomery and his other psychics and spiritualists, and especially Edgar Cayce, Oh, yeah. Just blew my mind. First time I ever got an idea of how the universe actually worked. That made sense. It was fair. It was cause and effect, you know. And there's a lady in college that gave me a did a horoscope for me, said we got a lot of natural psychic ability. Now, I was an electrical engineer. 1970 I graduated. It was all defense work. When I graduated Vietnam, I was a conscient objector. I moved to Austin. Then, as I was telling you, it was real cheap, very, unknown.

Alex Ferrari 2:04
That's where all the weirdos came. That's why that's always that's why the town's like, state Keep Austin weird, because all the weirdos of Texas come right here.

Gary L. Wimmer 2:31
It's the musicians, the artists.

Alex Ferrari 2:40
It's like, Matthew McConaughey says it's the blueberry in the tomato soup.

Gary L. Wimmer 3:15
So yeah, it was good. It was a nice town. It was cheap. In those days, I started playing music. Well, I actually started playing guitar way back in 1963 for the time the Beatles came out. I was a pretty good lead guitar player. And I remember watching George Harrison on Ed Sullivan, watching his wrist went, wow. I play those just like he does. And I learned to buy a year. So I was a pretty accomplished lead guitar player. Went through college, got electrical engineering, served two years as a conscientious objector at the Austin State School, then got out and thought, well, I don't want to join the defense industry. So I started playing music, and I went through a lot of depression because I was not a good singer, and it was all vocal work in the early 70s, and I went through a lot of depression, uh, bipolar. I came to found out later, but all this time, I kept feeling like there was some, some sort of, you know, even though I wasn't a good singer and was struggling to make a living, I felt like there's going to be a breakthrough. Somehow got to me, you know, or go crazy, which I did. But 1977 I quit a band. Needed some time off. I'd felt weird this whole day. This was January 31 1977 i i quit the band. Needed some time off, moved back to a duplex with my two roommates who I didn't really know well, and that night, I started having premonitions about my roommates, about my neighbors down the hall that were talking to us what they were going to say. I'd hear it before they'd say it. It's got weird. The next day, I tried to go to sleep that night. The next day, I was up all night, thinking, thinking, thinking, abnormally intense. Next day, my roommate came walking in, reading the paper, and I saw the headlines through his eyes, and he threw the paper down on the table. I looked at and was kind of shocked. It was exactly what I'd seen. He was looking at me. Are you okay? This went on for the next several days. Got more and more intense. I walked down the store. A couple hours later, I started feeling what everybody's thinking. And I couldn't prove it, but I knew it too power, potent and too and why is this happening? What's going on. We went to a bar that night, soap Creek saloon, which used to be out here in Austin. We went out that night, Brendan, my roommate and I, and it was too loud for me, the music I went into the bar area and where people playing pool, and kind of wanted it quiet and easy, and thought about taking a walk outside to get some air. And all of a sudden, I'm transported outside, and these people are walking through me, and I, wow, opened my eyes. I'm still in the bar stool. The door opened, and these people walked in, dressed exactly as I'd seen him a moment ago. Wow, this is weird. So I tried it a couple times, and I could do it. My roommate came in and asked me what I'm doing, and I bet him five bucks. I could tell after two me guessing it correctly twice, he thought I was cheating and walking outside, and it baffled him, and he walked off. But he didn't forget it, and I couldn't either. Over the next couple of days, this intensity started peaking. Someone would call me and said, do I be over? I look at my clock, and it jumped two hours and 17 minutes ahead, and I'd see exactly what time they'd come over, and then the clock would jump back. And this became normal. It was, I'm starting to get scared.

Alex Ferrari 7:05
Yeah, of course, it seems, it seems odd. It was very off putting.

Gary L. Wimmer 7:10
It was very odd. I kept feeling these. It feel like guardian angels watching me. I called them the monitors, or they called themselves the monitors, and we agreed on those terms. I couldn't see them, but I felt them, and that's a little bit of protection, a little bit of safety. I felt like, wow, something knows what's going on, because I don't. This started building up and up. Example, we went to a restaurant Brendan, and I my roommate, and he's concerned. He's seen me go through a couple days of this. He can't figure it out. I can't either. And then when he asked me to explain, it's like easier to just show you. So there's two ladies in the far end of the restaurant, and I asked him if he knew either of them. I don't think so. I said, me neither. I'm gonna have the brunette who's facing away from us write me a letter. What I said, I might have a write me a letter. You want me. Let me show you what I'm experiencing. So we started eating dinner, and he forgot all about it. 10 minutes later, the two ladies walked by, and the brunette threw down a napkin. I'll never forget this in big bold letters, black letters she had written. Why are you doing this to me? Both he and I just about fell over. I wanted to go chase her out of the restaurant. So how did you pick this up? Because when I was thinking write me a letter, I was giving a little like a laser light right over to, like the air on the airplane the aisle to let her know I'm the guy. I didn't look at it and talk to her. And the reason I was doing that because there was no neutral I was either perceiving things that were happening about to happen, or I was interjecting things. And I could look at a stranger three blocks away and think, scratch your head and point up to that building, and they'd do it, and I would think, did I make that happen, where that person was about to do that? And I couldn't tell the difference that was haunting. I couldn't tell the difference between creating and witnessing.

Alex Ferrari 9:17
So there seemed to be a lot of things going on before you went through your nd, e what? What happened the night that you went through your nd or the day that you went through your nd apartment, when you died, when you died? Well, what happened? What led up to you dying and going to having a near death?

Gary L. Wimmer 9:30
Well, this built up and up and up and up, and finally it got to the point I was absolutely terrified at the same time. I felt very enlightened, but I couldn't handle it too much. Couldn't turn it off. I'm racing down Guadalupe Street in Austin after a week of this, and I'm praying and I'm crying, and there's a lot of pedestrians on the street that are looking at me like, What the hell? And I didn't care. I knew I couldn't take it anymore. And at the peak of this yearning. For the universe to help me. All of a sudden, I felt completely fearless and warm. The middle of February, I looked up and there's this huge light, a big spotlight, pointing down on me, and I couldn't believe it. I looked around. None of these people in the street even acknowledged that they're still looking at me because I've been acting weird by crying and praying on the sidewalk. I looked I didn't care. It's too real. I looked back up and it was a fixed distance. I remember just about five or six feet. Bizarrely, one of my first thoughts was, Wow, if I had a ladder, I could touch this thing. It was, anyway, the light all of a sudden appeared to be coming down from the palms of these seven white robed, kind of monk looking figures. I couldn't see their face, but kind of an off white robe. And then all of a sudden, I realized they were the monitors that I said, Wow, you guys are the monitors? They said, yes, yes. Do you trust us? Man, I don't understand what's been going on. Now, there's people watching me in the street talking to nothing as far as they could search this most real thing I've ever seen. Long story short, they asked me a couple times, do you trust us? Long story short, I finally said, Yes. Long story, even shorter. Within a second or two, I was hit head on by a speeding car. All of a sudden, I'm outside my body, looking my body getting tumbled over by this car. Then the whole city of Austin turned into a little dot, and I started expanding outward in all directions, not like an arrow, like a balloon. Within no time I saw I forgot about the car accident me. It was just kind of irrelevant. The whole earth went inside me, then galaxies and planets, because I was expanding spiritually and psychically outward, my body was still right down Guadalupe street, but I soon had no awareness of me, just of this pure, beautiful, beautiful, beautiful sensation, I cannot underscore what a thrill it was, what a joy ride, completely fearless, felt protected, had no idea where I was going or any at some point, no idea who I was, and then I expanded beyond the edge of this universe. And I went through a concept, a level of consciousness that I called the colors, because it felt like when we come into this planet, and that's what I discovered, how we're born, our soul collapses in from all edges of the universe. Forgive me, physicists, I know there's not an edge, but to the point of birth of the mother, and when we leave, that's how we go out. It's not like an hour, like one big balloon expanding, taking an imprint of the universe as we come in, as we go out. And I'm witnessing this. I'm in the middle of it, not aware that it's me, and all of a sudden, I came out of the edge of this universe, went through the colors, which is a realm that gave us the ability to use our senses and our knowledge and our incarnation to understand the very process we chose to get here. We can through our choice and practice, we can learn that and through the level of consciousness that I felt like called itself the colors that gives us the ability to use our senses when we're alive. And I was experiencing all this by growing out, and all of a sudden, I'm out of the edge of the universe, and it felt like I came out of one little star up on a star, scudded sky, billions of universes, unlimited, and that's the one I came out of. Boy, they're all over. And in some form of way, these universes seem to wrap up into the most beautiful description I could ever say a tunnel of light, because it really felt like a tunnel of light, silver clouds going around. I'm going through it. No idea who I am, but fearless. And it's enjoyable, unbelievable. And then I came out of the other side of this tunnel, and I'm in this big, blue, infinite void. And I immediately recognize it as infinite mind. Infinite mind, no bias, always was, always will be. And there was two possibilities with infinite mind, either it existed and every possibility does exist and will manifest, or it wouldn't exist, and nothing would exist. There's absolutely no in between. I didn't know that I was in the middle of a near death experience, and I learned this later, but a lot of people have in death in the East talk about infinite love, and that's exactly what I felt. Beneath the mechanics of this infinite mind, being able to manifest infinite realities over infinite time with no limitation, at the core of it was infinite love. Now how infinite love manifested into infinite possibilities? Is it ain't going to fit into a formula. Physicists will never figure it out, but it does happen. That's what happened. And even prior to the car accident this week that I was going through seeing things, I started noticing that the quantum level is had the interface between the non physical and the physical, very small through the smallest of elementary particles, but even smaller that fabric, that's the interface that manifests into time and space and physicality.

Alex Ferrari 15:58
Gary, let me ask you, because your nde so far, is unlike others I've heard, because you kind of had a preview of what was coming. You were connecting to the monitors prior to that, even though you hadn't seen them all, these kind of metaphysical things are happening to you, and it seems almost like these are like a precursor, a preview of what's coming to the point where you were about to get hit. And they said, do you trust us? They were kind of prepping you like, Hey, you're gonna get this sums kind of happened. But do you trust us? And you said, yes, if you wouldn't have had those, that preview of all the of all the events that were happening to you, if these seven dudes show up and go, Hey, man, you trust us. You would have got, ah, it would've probably exactly so it's kind of prepper, prepper, like they were prepping you, which I've not heard of, at least I don't remember, after doing so many nd interviews that happening. Why do you think that was your Why do you think they did that for you? As opposed to, I haven't really heard it's very kind of unique scenario.

Gary L. Wimmer 17:04
Yeah and you're right, no two nde's are the same, although a lot of them happen in emergency rooms.

Alex Ferrari 17:10
There's commonalities.

Gary L. Wimmer 17:11
Now, I was hit head on by a speeding car, you know, but,

Alex Ferrari 17:15
And a car in the 70s which were not made of plastic.

Gary L. Wimmer 17:18
No it was a big old heavy. In fact, I got sued. You'll see in that book, I got sued by the owner of the car,

Alex Ferrari 17:27
Foror standing out in the front and

Gary L. Wimmer 17:28
For being in front of his car when he hit me.

Alex Ferrari 17:30
Of course, yeah, it's kind of like, it's kind of like the thief suing when he broke his arm as he was trying to break into the into the house. Yes, of course, absolutely insanity.

Gary L. Wimmer 17:39
But later, it was months later that I kept, I kept asking my guides, why me? No problem. I mean, boy, what a beautiful, beautiful voyage.

Alex Ferrari 17:50
So you're back. So let's take you back in so you're in this, in this blue void. Well, so we're in the blue void. What's happening now?

Gary L. Wimmer 17:57
I'm seeing everything. I'm feeling everything. I'm seeing infinite love manifests into infinite creativity, infinite possibilities over infinite time with no bias. And that's, in essence, what infinite mind is. Everything else is a manifestation of it. And I don't know I'm me, but I'm just enjoying this. You know, it didn't feel like I was observing it. You were in I was in it. I was at one with it. All of a sudden, it felt like I was observing it. I was separated, and I felt this sort of uh oh, and I felt myself being pulled away. And I didn't know where I was pulled away to, or why or from, but I surely liked where I was. I use the term spiritual gravity in that book because it felt like I was being pulled back somewhere or two somewhere. I got pulled back through this tunnel of light, you know. And it was still joyful, but I was getting a little apprehensive, who am I worth? Going on now, came back into this galaxy, this this universe. In fact, I remember seeing all these universes. Oh, that's the one I'm attracted to, like that little green monitor light you have up there. It stood out. So I went into that universe, still not knowing who I was, came into this universe, started collapsing toward this planet, still not aware who I was. But then I closer. I got to Earth. I had three distinct series of pictures, flash cards, like spinning newspapers, like the first was all the stuff we're going through now. I saw covid 19. I saw 911 I saw this. Earth changes heaviness in war. I mean changes in weather war. I didn't necessarily see a nuclear war, and I'm not sure how much is written stone and absolutely guaranteed and going to happen. I tend to believe a lot more of it is related to human free will. We decide. But I saw all this turmoil, chaos and confusion, pictures like spinning newspapers, breaking news. Then I saw a whole different series of pictures that were like 100 years in the future, 200 years in the future, when we're deep into the Aquarius age, Aquarian Age, and there's peace and there's enlightenment, and there's space and technology, and we've solved a lot of the crappy problems that we're banging our heads against now, war, pollution, you know, hey, but we're seeing all those intense issues now magnified in their extreme, not to be tortured, but to see the flaws in the system and in ourselves, so we can fix them, right? Because you can't fix if you don't see the problem, you know, you can have all the duct tape in the world if you don't know where the leak is.

Alex Ferrari 20:55
You know, I'll tell you. I'll tell you what I mean. When I was a kid and growing up, I grew up in the 70s and the 80s, and, you know, we always racism was always there. You know, it was always something under. But it was a very underneath the surface. It was very you wouldn't, you know the occasional racist joke you would hear at a party, or some kids saying stupid stuff at a playground, but it was still very underneath. You would never hear anyone in the public, in the public view, say anything. But what I found, after 2012 you started hearing and seeing things like that, I was like, Well, wait a minute publicly. And it just seems to be ramping up. So all of this kind of hatred and stuff is like, almost like a disease, kind of coming up to the air so the light can heal it, but this part right here is where we're at, where we're coming up. Ain't fun, and that's in every walk of life, from religion, from economics, from politics, from health care, from education, all of this stuff. You can start seeing cracks in these systems that when, when I was growing up, and definitely when you were growing up, these were institutions that were bulletproof. They were, oh, they were, they were, they were the ultimate say. I mean, the Catholic Church, are you kidding, really? I mean,

Gary L. Wimmer 22:08
Supreme Court,

Alex Ferrari 22:09
All of, all of those were just like institutions that were just built out of granite. And now it's very, yeah, it's very crumbly, very fluid. But all this stuff happening right now is not pleasant, but I agree with you, it's definitely needed.

Gary L. Wimmer 22:25
It's showing us what needs to be addressed. You know,

Alex Ferrari 22:28
Because without it, we can't, we can't fix it.

Gary L. Wimmer 22:30
Right! And we, I don't believe in accidents or coincidences. I believe absolutely and cause and effect at every level, and we're going through this, not by accident, so we can, all, you know, grow and learn. That's why we came here. If we didn't go through challenges or opposition or changes or surprises, we'd be dumber than the glass of water there.

Alex Ferrari 22:55
That's the point of being human. Absolutely, you need you need something to you need contrast. You need obstacles. You need something to challenge you. There's no one who goes throughout this life without trauma in one way, shape or form, everyone, if you're human, goes through a form of trauma. Thank God all her Yeah, because you learn out of that. And only as you get older, you look back and you go, thank God that bad thing happened to me. Thank God I Oh, you know, I met that person and they did this or that to me because it I'm who I am today, because of those not fun when it's happening at all, but it was very helpful in the growth, just like if you were in the gym and you're lifting up Rep Number 13 and you're hurting and every part of your muscles are hurting and stretching and pulling, not very comfortable, but when you get to rest and you look back on it, that helped build the muscle.

Gary L. Wimmer 23:48
Absolutely, absolutely.

Alex Ferrari 23:51
So you had two sets. You had, you said you had three sets of pictures. So first one,

Gary L. Wimmer 23:55
First what we're doing, chaos. Second was the Age of Aquarius and the beauty. And the third was about me I didn't know at the time. I saw me as a musician in different places, in different situations, playing. And at the time, this is 1977 I was struggling with depression, trying to get good gigs, you know. So as soon as I saw the third set of pictures, I felt like, Wow, do I know this guy? And all of a sudden he seems handsome. He's kind of confused too. I saw my body and on the street and people screaming, and this red haired guy shaking me, and I went, That's me. And I jumped back in my body, and just like that, just like that, the driver was leaning over me, his long red hair. He's screaming, he's tearing man. I tried to stop him. I had just been to Heaven. I was in shock, needless to say, or surprise, but I didn't need this, and so I pushed him away, and he fell backwards and tripped into some people. I was just trying to leave me alone. I didn't know what to do.

Alex Ferrari 25:02
You get up. You were you fine?

Gary L. Wimmer 25:04
Yeah. I didn't get a scratch. I didn't feel hurt,

Alex Ferrari 25:06
Really?

Gary L. Wimmer 25:07
Yeah, oh, yeah.

Alex Ferrari 25:08
So you got hit by a speeding car, but yet

Gary L. Wimmer 25:10
I didn't get a scratch. I didn't feel a pain at all. You speak of eerie. And I looked up, this whole car's totaled, and his car is totaled. Yeah, the car that hit me, the whole front end banged in, the windshield broken, and here I am standing up, going, perfectly fine, perfectly fine. Confused, but I thought, I'm just gonna walk home. This is too weird. I can't deal with it.

Alex Ferrari 25:35
It's like something would happen in Austin.

Gary L. Wimmer 25:38
So I start turning to walk home, and these people say, no, no, the ambulance, the police, the cops, okay, I'll just sit around and wait for a minute and explain it to them.

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So for a sec. So when you, when you get thrown back into your body, from what I've heard before and other near death experiences, there is absolutely no pain. There's the other side. There's absolutely no sensation of pain, none of that stuff. When you get slammed back into this reality, the not only do you feel pain right away, but you didn't feel any pain. Did you feel the the, I guess, the limitations of the body comparatively? Yeah, you instantly, instantly, yeah. There was a fee. There was some sort of like instant, I'm back. I feel heavy now. I feel

Gary L. Wimmer 26:57
Well I looked around and saw these people screaming. There's car wreck. I mean, I thought, well, I can't blame this on anything or anybody else. I'm the one who came down here, but now I'm stuck. And rather than walk home, I thought, Okay, I'll wait for the cops, the animals when they showed up, which is pretty quick, first thing they're all doing is looking around for a body, and I'm up talking to people, and I said, I'm the one you're looking for, and all the witnesses are going up to Tim, and how are you standing on my feet just like you? And they're talking to the witnesses, and they're talking to me, and asked me what happened, and every time I tried to explain what just happened?

Alex Ferrari 27:41
Oh, no, you didn't. You told them that you

Gary L. Wimmer 27:43
I tried to.

Alex Ferrari 27:44
Oh my in 1977

Gary L. Wimmer 27:46
1977 you and guys won't believe this, but the reason I wasn't hurt,

Alex Ferrari 27:51
Sir, have you been smoking? Okay, we have.

Gary L. Wimmer 27:55
Are you on drugs? I said, No, sir, I've done plenty of no drug can do this. And they just blew their chin off, and they were talking to the witnesses, and the witnesses told the Mary, and I said, Can I just go home? I'm not hurt. Nobody. No, they take me to the hospital. They gotta check you out. Of course. Mantra, me check your head. I was fine. While I was at the hospital, they sent a cop down to talk to me because, like I said, the driver filed charges because I jumped up and pushed him back. I didn't leave me alone, man, I'm okay. Charges. Well, he took covers, but because he just hit me, yeah, of course, of course, of course. So I kind of blew that off. And finally, there's a guy that came and said, Look, we're going to have to commit you to a psychiatric hospital. And I said, Fine, I don't care what you do with me. I just been to Heaven.

Alex Ferrari 28:49
If this is so, I want to stop you there, because you know, coming from, where I come from, and my point of view of anytime I talk to people in the spiritual space and have these magical experiences like this, out of body experiences and channeling and psychic abilities. And what you're talking about, I always said, like, if you start spouting this at the wrong era of time, you're gonna get thrown in the loony bin. Well, it's exactly thing, exactly like, yeah, I just been having Sir Come this way, just walk into this padded cell. Because in 1977 I think Dr Raymond Moody had, I think he had released the book

Gary L. Wimmer 29:26
Just about around that I didn't even know about, right?

Alex Ferrari 29:29
Of course, of course, yeah, near death experience wasn't that's literally in the late 70s when Raymond coined the phrase. But that was not in the zeitgeist. You would have just sounded absolutely insane. And he's obviously on something, or he actually has mental issues or something, right? And they put you into the mental institution, or, before we go into the into that part of the story, when you were on the other side, did anything? Did you see anybody else? Did you see relatives? Did you see spirit guides? Did you talk to anyone?

Gary L. Wimmer 29:57
To some degree, I saw everything. Thing, but I was not having conversations with individual souls or anything. It's like I went from the basement to that top floor and through the roof and back pretty quickly on Earth time. It seemed like an infinitely, infinitely long voyage when it was happening, but I didn't actually talk and engage. What I was doing was, it's almost like I was going through the whole creative process of how we became human and how we became here, rather than talking to my Uncle Joe or whatever. Like, information, information, information,

Alex Ferrari 30:35
And how much information did you bring back? Because I heard that a lot of times you get the secrets of the universe on the other side you like, but this, this hardware, can't hold That's exactly correct. So you, you brought, did you bring something back?

Gary L. Wimmer 30:47
Oh, yeah, I brought a lot back, but not everything, because you can't, I can't. It's not something that sometimes, like when I saw, as you read in the book. I was in Europe on 911 and I was playing the last set of my musician, and a guy from Sweden said, Man, I think you all got hit by a terrorist attack. And I ran down to the crew room just as the second plane came through, and I witnessed that, and all these people around me in these blue uniforms, all of a sudden, I flashed back on I had that picture in 1977 of this airplane going through a building and me watching on TV with all these people in blue uniforms. Now, when I saw that coming back into my body, one of several, several, several pictures, I didn't know how to deal with it. I didn't know if it's true or lie or would happen, or might or but that day, when it did happen, I saw it and blew my mind.

Alex Ferrari 31:46
So, so you're so now you're in the loony bin, you're in the mental you're in the in the mental ward. Now I've been committed for, I'm assuming, a 72 hour holders.

Gary L. Wimmer 31:58
No, I had a 10 day mandatory 10 day hold. That's back in the day my brother, who lived here in town, still does when they put me in in jail.

Alex Ferrari 32:08
So was that jail or was that?

Gary L. Wimmer 32:10
Well, first they put me in jail because they took me from the scene to the hospital right told me I was gonna have to be committed. They had to get the paper signed. So he put me in jail till they could get a legal order of protective custody signed by a family member, war judge, or both, in this case, and your brother assigned it, right? And I don't blame him. Hell, I would have to, I wouldn't know what to do with me.

Alex Ferrari 32:31
Yeah, he were just it was so much.

Gary L. Wimmer 32:34
I had no problem with them not understanding.

Alex Ferrari 32:37
Okay, so you get, you get put in for, you pay them, put for 10 days. And what happens during those 10 days?

Gary L. Wimmer 32:41
Well, I became quite an entertainer. Up this I was at Shoal Creek. Here I was playing guitar for my own, talking to him and entertaining. They called me Mr. Smiles.

Alex Ferrari 32:50
Oh yeah, because you were blissful coming back.

Gary L. Wimmer 32:52
I was blissful, so happy, and I didn't resort to any you know, I need out of here. I'm saying no, I just say this is the next chapter of this crazy experience. Just enjoy it.

Alex Ferrari 33:04
And then you got out and everything was

Gary L. Wimmer 33:05
Well at the end of 10 days, they bring me before a group of kind of five or six psychiatrists and four or five people work on them on the floor, and they interview me, and they want to see if they need to sustain and go for another 10 days, or if you're sane enough to let loose. And I told them, I said, I know you guys don't understand my story. I know it's kind of weird, but it's the absolute truth, and I'm not going to change my story to get out. I'm sane, I'm healthy. I know what's going on. I just had a beautiful experience, and you guys are doctors and psychiatrists, and you ought to be asking me questions. You ought to be studying this stuff instead of deciding if I'm functional enough to go home or not. Of course, I'm functional enough to go home. And they couldn't debate they

Alex Ferrari 33:54
They were just like, yeah, there's you were saying, yeah.

Gary L. Wimmer 33:57
And one of the psychiatrists I had every day he would come in at a different time. And God bless him, he's a very fundamentalist Baptist guy, and he couldn't deal at all with what I was talking about, God reincarnation, psychic ability and multiple lifetimes. And so he kind of had a hard time dealing with me. But he had two kids. Two sons are having a problem, and I talked to him because I grew up with six brothers, and he didn't even he was amazed. How did you know about this? Right? Don't worry about it. But here's what's happening. And at the end of the 10 day period, he's one of the people in there deciding my fate. And he said, Oh, Gary's fine. He can go home. I blew his mind in some ways, but he knew I was right. I told him about his level another level. It kind of blew his reality to some degree.

Alex Ferrari 34:08
Of course, the programming that he's been built with, right? He couldn't do it completely distorted his the foundation of his belief systems. But yet. The other side was like, it's helping my family, so I can't ignore that, right? So he's in a really

Gary L. Wimmer 34:51
I don't know where this guy gets his stuff, but he's right on. In fact, the doctor, when I was at the hospital like to be in the emergency room. They didn't know what to do with me. They wheeled me over in a corner, and this guy came in, and I knew his name and where he got his degree. He was a psychiatrist. I knew everything about him, and he was blown away. How do you know this right now, Doc, I know everything. The problem is, I can't turn it off, really, and I was the problem. And so he said, You're going, we're going to put you in a psychiatric hospital. And they took me to jail first, before you get the papers. And when I was in jail, you know, I had my own cell, but there's 810, different people around me in different cells, and they're all talking, and I'm the newbie. What's your crime, buddy? That's well, I got caught jumping across higher dimensions to infinite mind and went on a rap. They're just,

Alex Ferrari 36:01
What are you taking?

Gary L. Wimmer 36:02
Who's this guy?

Alex Ferrari 36:03
Yeah, can I have some?

Gary L. Wimmer 36:05
So tell me something about my case there, Mr. Wimmer and I started talking about their cases. I just right off the bat.

Alex Ferrari 36:12
So you came in with an immense amount of psychic ability, psychic and those are the abilities you came

Gary L. Wimmer 36:18
I kind of always had that by practice, and worked on it, and this confirmed it and launched me to the highest level,

Alex Ferrari 36:23
Right! It just kind of like blew the doors wide open of this kind of stuff, so you started to be able to see things and right? Okay, so it's 1977 now, you're out on the street, you're back in the normal world. How, how do the people around are you and you're not you're not hiding, apparently, you're not in the closet of this, because a lot of in the ears hold on to this story for 20 or 30 years, because they were afraid of coming out. But you, being an artist, are fearless.

Gary L. Wimmer 36:49
Well I couldn't. My roommates knew it. My family knew it. I was in the psychiatric hospital.

Alex Ferrari 36:54
And how did they and how did they, how did the people around you deal with this, and how did you deal with them?

Gary L. Wimmer 36:59
I think the best they could.

Alex Ferrari 37:01
And how did you deal with them?

Gary L. Wimmer 37:03
Understanding that they would not understand what I went through. I just took that for granted. You're not going to understand this. You're not going to get hell. I could barely understand it, man, I went through it.

Alex Ferrari 37:15
So then, how many years before you came out real publicly, writing a book and talking about doing interviews and things like that. How many years before?

Gary L. Wimmer 37:22
Well, the first year, it took me a while to recover. I went through another bout about a month or two later in the book, this time, they took me to the Austin State Hospital, gave me Thorazine because I kept going to this higher level of consciousness, and thank God my family and Doctor trying to keep me back on the planet. And it worked.

Alex Ferrari 37:42
It just seems like you were you were giving this level of bliss that you didn't understand how or why it was happening to you, not then, not then exactly so at that moment, you didn't understand it, and you didn't have any guidance. You didn't have a yogi, a mentor, or someone to sit there go, okay, my son. This is what's

Gary L. Wimmer 38:00
Never occurred to me, that the term for this and people, but I figured I'm not the only one to have because, you know, I was raised Catholic. People have religious experience.

Alex Ferrari 38:09
Sure. Yeah, exactly. So you just couldn't deal it was just too much at that time. And it how long, how many years before you could kind of

Gary L. Wimmer 38:18
It didn't terrify me. I was very blissful, but I couldn't, I didn't go out of my way to talk about it, okay? So you can other than the people who knew it.

Alex Ferrari 38:28
All right. So in other words, you weren't walking into a barn. Go, hey guys, I died. Took you years before you started to kind of come out correct. And also acclimate, it seems like you have to acclimate to this world again, to this reality, because it seemed like you were up there and you kept trying to go back.

Gary L. Wimmer 38:45
Yeah! But it's like I came it's like I came back with 3d glasses. You know, I'm seeing things different, yeah? You see, if they see things radically different. And with the awareness that there's no limit to how powerful those IMAX glasses can become. There's no limit to how much we can grow. There's no limit to how much we can evolve spiritually and psychically. There's a limit to how long this body's gonna last, you know, right? Or how long this planet will last. But there's no limit, and that's what really blew my mind. Number one, number two, months later, I kept asking my guides, why me? No problem, but why may I had to know. And months later is the only second time I truly felt the monitors. I was playing my guitar my porch. They came out somewhere in the front yard, and I could feel kind of where they were, but I couldn't see them. And just like magic, they shot a light into my head, like a laser. I didn't think about it as being a laser at the time. It was just light these green credits, like a Superman rolling off in the distance with these words, and they were saying the. Words in this same voice that had said, do you trust us? And it was like one voice, like James Earl Jones, deep, harmonious, protective, warm, soothing voice. Then I heard him at the time of the near death experience, do you trust us? A couple times, and now, eight months later, on my porch, I felt them shooting this message in, and they basically said at the same time I was reading this, and the wind stopped, traffic stopped, time stopped, and this message was basically you got this experience. You wanted to know. You were always asking. You were curious. You were an altar boy. You always want to know about John. You're reading your case. You're trying to give readings. You're exploring or exploring, and you could handle the truth. And we decided to take you and bring you back. And that's why you had these grounding, agents, the cops, police, aimless. And that's why the car accident gave us a perfect time to take you out and bring you back. It was no accident. It was all something that I had asked for, but they kind of designed the scenario. No problem, it worked. I couldn't have thought of that. Or maybe I didn't, didn't know.

Alex Ferrari 41:15
Is that, do you think, from your perspective of what you've seen the other side? Do you believe that there is kind of like a soul blueprint or soul plan for each life when you come down and you're like,

Gary L. Wimmer 41:24
Absolutely!

Alex Ferrari 41:25
And there's moments in in that life that you like, I've heard from other near death experiences, like you have exit points absolutely a couple times throughout your life, if you're like, you know, this is not really working out the way I wanted to. I'm not really figuring the way I there's exit outs Absolutely. And sometimes that's where near death experiences happen, because they're like, Okay, um, you're out. Do you want to go back that question? You didn't that was not, not the scenario you were in. But you believe that you asked for this scenario in this life because it was part of what you want to learn.

Gary L. Wimmer 41:54
I don't believe in accidents or coincidences, so I believe what happened to me was manifested in some form by cause and in fact, probably mine. It wasn't thrown on me like a punishment. No, of course, nothing is but I did get the chance, the choice to say yes, guides, I trust you. Do you trust us? What if I said no, this is nonsense. I couldn't imagine. I was so overwhelmed. The only answer is, yes, what's next? But months later, when they told me this, they said, you've had this because you're ready to deal with this. You're bipolar. They said you got to watch your intensity. Got to watch your diet. And they also said the things you saw, you will see in this lifetime, and I've seen a lot of what I saw in these pictures.

Alex Ferrari 42:42
Why do you think they showed you those? Because that has really nothing to do. I don't think at least with this going up to the top floor, that's all. If you wouldn't have seen these pictures of what was going to happen, the experience would have still pretty much been the same. Why do you think they chose to show you these?

Gary L. Wimmer 42:59
I think because I was curious, because that's what they told me. I had this whole experience about anyway, I was curious. And I have to admit, when I started reading Edgar Casey in the late, you know, 6869 when I was in college, it kind of freaked me out. There's some dire predictions about the rule of revolution, but it also the way he explained it and talked about it, made it look like, well, this just got to clean out this human nature. This is choice, this is decision. This is human karma. That's just the way it works here on planet Earth. So, yeah, I was, I was kind of terrified in college when I saw this. I was kind of terrified to some degree when I saw it, but now in real life, in real time, when it's happening, it makes sense to me, we have to see the holes in the boat and Paul's flaws in our systems, and that's what we're getting.

Alex Ferrari 43:54
What message do you have for people who are freaking out?

Gary L. Wimmer 43:57
Quit freaking out. You can't do anything about the fact that the world is in a huge transformation. It's just that way. We can't change it. We can't change human evolution. You can't change the past. You can't change other people. You can't change the way quarks work in subatomic particles. But you are we are all extremely powerful with what we can change, and that's always our willingness to be open, to learn, to acknowledge, to grow. There's an unlimited potential, and being very, very, very lucky to having seen it, I'd take it as a commitment in my life to encourage others to press that button.

Alex Ferrari 44:42
Have you? Have you tried to go back in meditation or anything like that?

Gary L. Wimmer 44:46
Oh, I meditated quite often, you know?

Alex Ferrari 44:48
Yeah, did you ever? Have you ever in meditation been able to, kind of did

Gary L. Wimmer 44:52
Not to that level. But don't,

Alex Ferrari 44:53
But dip your toe. Dip your toe in?

Gary L. Wimmer 44:55
Yeah I get confirmation all the time, yeah. And I asked for it. I all. Always ask for confirmation. Did then, in fact, as I was telling you, there was a process I described in the book called verification. I had to constantly kind of verify in some sort of hard to explain way that I'm still on the planet. I haven't been taken out to infinite mind, which I didn't know then, but this verification, like I felt myself getting lighter and lighter, floating in this whole new sense of reality, kind of like weightless.

Alex Ferrari 45:29
Why do you think that Dave the other side, at least, has not only given you this opportunity, which we've kind of talked a little bit about, but why do you think that you're now being put out in the spotlight a bit more, doing these interviews, releasing your books, things like that. What is the purpose you think of that? For you, in your soul's evolution?

Gary L. Wimmer 45:50
For me, it's a I need to do it. It's a necessity. I've been blessed. I've been shown some things. I've gone through my share of depression and anxiety and fear and doubt. Thank God, because now I can honestly testify those can be temporary conditions. We don't have to be stuck by that, but if we didn't go through it, we wouldn't learn how to conquer it. So I'm a total optimist now. I wasn't always, and I encourage other people look at that way, because it's you're not going to change so much about our life situation, but we can change the most important things, our attitudes, our perception, our intentions, the way we look at the situation. It's never our situation, it's always the way we look at it, because the way you look at it means the way you're going to act or react to it.

Alex Ferrari 46:44
What do you what did you see anything specific happening in these next six years, this decade? Because this decade's been a rough one so far

Gary L. Wimmer 46:52
This decade's been a rough one, but we're gonna have a couple other rough decades. However, at the same time, humankind is realizing that we have to watch pollution, we have to take care of each other. We can't let this nuclear war threat go on and on and on. You know, we have to watch so many things. So, yeah, I'm an optimist, because these are real problems, sure, and these are real issues, and God ain't going to come down and Psalm. God's going to maybe give us the wisdom to do so already gave us the greatest gift of life, free will, you know. And if you guys can't sort it out with that,

Alex Ferrari 47:32
Yeah, it's kind of like you just, I always call us the God's algorithm. Oh yeah, yeah, we just kind of go off and do our things, and we sit there and watch to see what the algorithm is going to do, because we really can't control it. True, it's loose. It has its it has free will, essentially, kind of within the parameters that we've been getting we've given the algorithm. So it kind of, guys, goes off and does its thing, but it's learning. It's growing, it's doing so and sometimes it very often, surprises the creator of the algorithm.

Gary L. Wimmer 48:00
Edgar Cayce used a term God moved and saw himself and basically divided himself itself into infinite possibilities. And that's what I believe, because your lifetime and mine and every atom and every Quirk and everything that ever happened and will is nothing more than infinite mind manifesting in infinite ways. We just experience separation, and that's the biggest delusion of humankind, but it's pretty real. You're sitting there, I'm sitting here. We ain't the same body, but the illusion of separation is a challenge, and it's also a misconception. There's only one infinite mind, and we're part of it, knowing that, believing that putting into play, even grasping it, is certainly not something that comes naturally. I didn't ever think that way until it became so apparent to me.

Alex Ferrari 48:59
Can you you've mentioned Edgar Cayse a few times, and for people who don't know who he was, can you give us a little bit of a of a rundown on who Mr. Edward Cayse was.

Gary L. Wimmer 49:09
Probably one of the most phenomenal human beings to have lived in the 20th century. He was, he was a bumbling photographer, but as a young kid, he would lay on his books, and he would memorize the whole book because he had a hard problem reading, remembering. And the next day his tutors would come in. He knew the whole book because he slept on it. He started picking up things real early. He remembered he saw an angel when he was young, and the angel said, What would you like to do? He said, I like to help people. Like to heal people, you know, and so as he started growing older and older, he knew he had this psychic ability. Didn't know what to do with it. He had a throat problem. And I may not be getting this right exactly in order, but a hypnotist suggested Casey go into one of his trances. And. He diagnosed himself, and he did his voice changed. He could all sudden talk, and then he came out of this trance and had the same problem again, but he followed the directions that came out of his throat 15 minutes earlier, and worked. And he started getting well known for giving healing diagnosis, and several people in the country were starting writing letters he had, in fact, he was in New York and got arrested for practicing medicine without license. He was really but he would give these every every medical advice he offered was very therapeutic, was very natural, colors, lotions, feelings, thoughts, bath, herbs, spices, meditation. And he got very well known. And then somewhere along the range, some some people started asking questions about God in the universe, in history, and then opened up the whole book of Aquarius, of Atlantis, the pyramids, the relationship between all that. And got really interesting about man's challenge on Earth. So, yeah, well, as soon as I started reading that in college, I just went, Wow, this guy knows the truth. It makes sense. It's not self righteous arrogance, my way or no way. It's, here's what happened, right? Here's what's happening.

Alex Ferrari 51:27
Yeah, it's a very more there's, it's not fear based, Oh, absolutely. And it's cause and effect. And it just makes a lot more sense. There's no agenda makes sense. There's no agenda there's, I'm not trying to control you, and I'm not trying to tell you, you must listen to me in order to talk to God. When the truth is we are, I know we are fragments of of sort, also, just so people get an understanding, what year is this? This is not 1960 Mr. Edgar Cayse, when he's doing his work. What years was he? Was he doing this work?

Gary L. Wimmer 51:59
He died in, I think, 45 or so

Alex Ferrari 52:01
So he was doing this in the 20s, 10s and twice. So if you were going to be thrown in a loony bin in 1977 Can you imagine what Edgar had to go through during those years?

Gary L. Wimmer 52:12
Although he had a lot of support, he had a lot of people ran around to

Alex Ferrari 52:15
To protect him and things

Gary L. Wimmer 52:17
Record all his readings that wrote them all down.

Alex Ferrari 52:20
Yeah, they're still an Edgar Cayce's organization that you can go and actually check out and read all of his

Gary L. Wimmer 52:26
Yeah, I'm part of edgarcayce.org and you can read all these readings that he did his whole life, and nobody is 100% accurate about everything,

Alex Ferrari 52:36
Because we have free choice.

Gary L. Wimmer 52:38
Because we have free will.

Alex Ferrari 52:39
Yeah! So that's the thing about psychics. People always like, Oh, she got it wrong. I'm like, they only see the essence of what could be, not of what is going to happen, unless something like 911 that was going to happen, because the energy of the world was going so far down that road that it's unlikely to change, true, but if you're gonna, you know, walk to the left to the right in an hour, you really, it's really difficult to kind of come up with that. So these larger things, they're like, you're gonna move to New York. Okay, right now your your energy is moving yourself towards that. In a year, you're gonna move to New York. In a year, you're gonna meet this person who's gonna change your life. Those are energies are moving for So, but, you know, to get so actually got free will, yeah? And at any moment, you're like, I'm gonna go to LA, right, you know? And it could just change. So maybe she just saw a great change. Maybe not. I got it wrong on the city kind of thing. So it's, it's, I've dealt and spoken, and I've had a lot of experiences with psychics, and people always like, oh, that's why they got it only, it's not a perfect science, true. It's because it's just,

Gary L. Wimmer 53:48
It's an art, and it's based on your free will, too. I tell people at all time, no matter what, I tell you, you can go move to Miami tomorrow. I don't think you will. I might pick it up. I'm not sure, but you know, the power of free will is just the most amazing thing, because that is where we really have power, not in everything we can't control, but in how we perceive ourselves, life, each other, the universe, and no matter how we perceived it yesterday, we can perceive it differently today.

Alex Ferrari 54:24
Very, very true. Now, there's another book you wrote called

Gary L. Wimmer 54:27
Lithomancy.

Alex Ferrari 54:28
Lith, thank you for that. Very much. Lithomancy, the psychic art of reading stones. I'm assuming, I'm assuming that this skill came back with you, or

Gary L. Wimmer 54:38
Actually I started giving readings in the early 70s with, basically with regular playing cards, you know.

Alex Ferrari 54:45
So it's like a form of, not tarot, but

Gary L. Wimmer 54:47
Kind of, yeah,

Alex Ferrari 54:48
Okay.

Gary L. Wimmer 54:49
But I just kind of developed my own system. Read a couple simple, easy books about how to use regular playing cards. And it's a symbol, it's a it's. It's a technique you can learn to interpret anything from anything. I didn't know that then, but the whole world is symbolic. And when I was going through my seven days before that near death experience, before the car, I saw everything in terms of symbolism. And that's how our subconscious and our guides talk to us, right? They don't call on the phone.

Alex Ferrari 55:27
And that's also what psychics deal with, absolutely. And channelers, even sometimes, they will see images and they have to interpret those courages or because they don't speak to you, then I'll go, Bob is going to move to New York at six o'clock on Friday. That's not whether they show you a picture, and then you kind of have to kind of interpret that. And tarot as well.

Gary L. Wimmer 55:47
True. I get feelings a lot about things but, but I do practice. I want to pick up things 10 years ago. And this is practice. 10 years ago, Sunday morning, 12 years ago. Well, I watched the morning news. It ended. I muted a TV. Football came on. I'm not a football guy. I don't care who's on what face, or whatever. But I started imagining who's going to take the ball next. And I started realizing I could pick out who's going to take the ball, where they're going to throw it, about 60, 70% of the time. I started writing the scores down. My roommate, my brother, wanted me to start gambling on it. That's not the way that no, I'm just this is a free, absolutely impartial. I can turn the sound off and practice my psychic ability was my hunch about to play, right? And that's all I'm doing. I don't want to make money or just trying. It's,

Alex Ferrari 56:48
That's the other thing that people don't understand with psychic ability. They're like, well, if you know everything, then why don't you just get the lottery ticket numbers and and just, you know, go off to like, that's, that's not the way it works. You can't use that kind of energy or ability to for something as low frequency,

Gary L. Wimmer 57:04
Intentions always matter, yes, and intentions will always come back to reward you or equalize things or make you pay the fee.

Alex Ferrari 57:16
Very true, very true. Now, Gary, I'm gonna ask you a few questions. Ask all my guests, what is your definition of living a fulfilled life?

Gary L. Wimmer 57:23
Being grateful number one, so many of us are so lucky we don't live in Ukraine right now, you and I, for Gaza are so Many challenging things, gratitude, gratitude, gratitude, because if we're alive, we should be grateful, because we get to experience and learn, and if we're not alive, we're in heaven. So the problem's solved. It can be a win, win, either way, gratitude number one, and I've I learned that, in fact, about two weeks ago, there was a guy asking me, How do I pick up my guides? And I said, Well, this is true. Right before I called you, I was meditating on gratitude, saying, Thank you universe, thank you. And my girlfriend's in the kitchen cooking something, and I heard her go ping on a pan. And I went, thank you. That was confirmation. Bing, bing. I went, That's pretty neat. You guys are talking to me all the time. Bing, bing, bing, no such thing as accidents. No, it is not. That's a cause and effect immediately. And the world works like that. And if we practice that and believe it and open it up, we can make miracles happen. And why shouldn't we? Why not?

Alex Ferrari 58:47
Beautifully answered, Sir. Now, if you had a chance to go back in time and speak to little Gary, what advice would you give him?

Gary L. Wimmer 58:55
Boy, that's a tough one. I'm not sure. Probably you'll learn it. You'll get it. Don't worry about it. It'll find you don't stress. Don't stress basically.

Alex Ferrari 59:10
How do you define God or Source?

Gary L. Wimmer 59:12
Infinite mind, infinite creativity, unlimited, unbiased, completely infinite. And at the very core is infinite love. That's the seed that makes infinite power exist, and infinite power and infinite creativity gave you and me an opportunity to be individual souls.

Alex Ferrari 59:36
What is love?

Gary L. Wimmer 59:39
Where everything comes from. I was really surprised when I started reading more about other people who've had nd ease, because there wasn't a whole lot around in 77 took a minute someone alone. I didn't know moody. I didn't know life after, you know his books and so forth. It was years, years later. And I realize that. But have faith. Ask, ask, ask, you want to learn? Ask, ask your gods. It says in every religion, Ask, and you shall receive in some form. It doesn't say we feel sorry for you. We'll come down and we'll fix your house, and we'll send you that stuff, Amazon Prime, and you'll get it free, and you don't have to even ask. That's not what they said. That says ask. You have to be proactive, because our guides and our Higher Mind, they do respect free will. They will not trample on our free will. But that doesn't mean they won't tap you on the shoulder and give you surprises and curveballs, because if we never went through surprises and curveballs, we'd never learn new stuff.

Alex Ferrari 1:00:49
Well, sometimes as a tap and sometimes you get hit by a car.

Gary L. Wimmer 1:00:53
Absolutely

Alex Ferrari 1:00:56
And what is the ultimate purpose of life?

Gary L. Wimmer 1:00:58
Manifestation, expression, individual and collective, infinite mind had nothing to do except be everything, and it could why not? And not only is it everything, but while ago, when you were moving your hands, I think about this a lot. If I move my hand this way, right now, I help co create a universe in which I moved my hand that way, and if I move my hand that way, I co created a universe with that effect. And those are different universes, the multiverse. Multiverse simultaneously billions and billions in unlimited universes unfolding and to our point of view, it's pretty smooth.

Alex Ferrari 1:01:40
It's fascinating how, um, the concept of the multiverse and parallel universe parallel realities, is in the zeitgeist now because of popular movies and storytelling that's happening, true and it's but it's but now it's a very like in 1970 you say, you know the multiverse, right? No, what is it? What's put them, put it back in. Kind of thing. Gary, where can people find out more about you? Pick up your books. Second. This a second in eternity and lithomancy.

Gary L. Wimmer 1:02:10
Lithomancy, like lithographic both these books are available on Amazon and Kindle. Go look at for a second in eternity and lithomancy, that's L, I, T, H, O, M, A, N, C, Y. You can find them on Amazon and Kindle. And the second in eternity is a true story. It's got, like I said, the police records in the back that you can see the lithomancy book is sort of like a textbook. It shows you how to learn to read stones and patterns. And even in Europe, I lived in Europe in the 90s, a lot of people over there asked me to do readings, and sometimes I didn't have my stones with me. So I started doing readings with whatever people would lay on a table. I'd say, I'm going to go in here, make some tea, and you want to read and put, you know, earring, a guitar string, a glass of tea, a spoon, line some stuff up here, and I'll come back in a minute and read this. And I could, I could read what they laid on the table. And I really believe that everybody has that ability. But I never thought about that until in 77 I realized that everything could be a port to infinite mind. I didn't know that then, but soon after, I experienced infinite mind and went, Well, there's a portal there for me, there's a portal there for everybody. It's not like you just go down and buy a ticket for a movie and you get in. I don't know how people can get a ticket. I don't have the answer, but be grateful and ask

Alex Ferrari 1:03:48
And do you have any parting messages for the audience?

Gary L. Wimmer 1:03:51
Be inspired. Never shortchange yourself. Never, never, never shortchange yourself. You want real power. There's one place it is inside your heart, your mind, your soul, no matter what happened yesterday, it doesn't necessarily have to repeat, and even if it does, you don't have to be in the same frame of mind as yesterday. You can be but that's free will. That's choice, the most powerful gift. We use our free will correctly. We can get above a lot of issues, a lot of problems. Grow, learn, evolve, make it a better world. Benefit. Everybody wins. You know, think big, think positive, think creative. Yeah, we're going through a big world challenge, world revolution. We ain't going to change that, but we can change whether we're terrified by it or enlightened by it, which one's going to make you feel better.

Alex Ferrari 1:04:47
Gary, it has been an absolute pleasure having you here and having this conversation with you. Thank you, my pleasure, not for only coming here, but for helping awaken the planet, my friend. So thank you again.

Gary L. Wimmer 1:04:56
You too, my man.