Welcome to the first conversation of the Next Level Soul Podcast. I wanted this episode to be special and I couldn’t be more excited to bring you today’s remarkable guest. On the show we have speaker, executive coach, and author Gary Buckmann. His comeback story is one for the ages.

While in college, Gary Buckmann went from being a top-level gymnast to lying in a hospital bed paralyzed from a broken neck. By using the techniques he now teaches to clients, he went on to achieve a full recovery. Within 3 short years of his catastrophic injury he was able to compete again.

In record time, Gary was asked to be on the National USA coaching staff for women’s gymnastics. He worked with 5 Olympic Gold Medal winners and traveled the world with the USA team. His new book Broken to Brilliant: Overcome Obstacles to Create Opportunities & Achieve the Impossible chronicles his miraculous story.

“For anyone looking for a wise and powerful story full of inspiration, this book is a must!”

As a speaker, executive coach, and author, Gary is passionate about sharing his techniques and experiences with athletes, business executives, entrepreneurs, and community leaders. His unique ability to inspire and motivate helped thousands of people to adopt new ways of thinking and in the process achieve national championship success.

I hope Gary’s story is an example to you that anything is possible. Enjoy!

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Alex Ferrari 0:03
Now, we all go through tough times in our life, they are struggles, they're things that harden us that make us stronger. That is our origin stories. If you were a superhero, and today's guest has one heck of a story. His name is Gary Buckman. He is the author of the new book, broken to brilliant. And I had the pleasure of meeting Gary at an event a couple years ago, actually, where he told me the story of a book that he was writing at the time, about where, when he was 20 years old. In college, he broke his neck in a gymnastics accident, and he was part of the gymnastics team. And the doctor said that he would never walk again. And that he refused to take that diagnosis. And He willed himself, he visualized himself back to health, he healed himself using the power of his mind. Now, this was back in 1972, when there wasn't a lot of science to back up the visualizations and what happens when you visualize to the, to the your physiology, when you do things like that, but he was able to not only be able to get his legs back his arms back, which he did over the course of a couple of years. But he also went back and competed at a college level, on a national level, again, as a gymnast, and the one specific move that broke his neck. When he went back. He did it again, one more time, just to prove to himself that he could do it. And he did. His story is truly inspiring. And I cannot wait for you to listen to it. So let's dive in. I like to welcome to the show, Gary Buckman. How you doing, Gary?

Gary Buckmann 2:18
Good, Alex, thanks for having me.

Alex Ferrari 2:20
Thank you so much for being on the show, man. I mean, you and I met got it's a little bit over a year ago now year and change ago. Or more than that, because because COVID says probably been like it's been it's been almost a couple years now almost, that we met at a great event. And we were sitting there eating lunch between lectures. And your beautiful wife started up this conversation about telling them telling me and my wife about your story, which we just sit there like in all of the story that you were, I was just sitting there, like, what's going on? And then you came over and started talking about this amazing story. And I remember then I'm like, Where's the book? And in Victoria, your wife says, he's working on he's working on it. And what did I tell you what at that meeting,

Gary Buckmann 3:09
you said, you said, Gary, it's important. You need to finish that book, finish that book, man,

Alex Ferrari 3:14
finish it and get it out there because the world needs this story. So first, before, I just want to know how can you tell me just get to get into the story of broken to brilliant, what is, you know, I don't want you to tell me the entire story because I would be the audio book. But tell me the story of broken. Brilliant, it is brilliant.

Gary Buckmann 3:35
Thank you. Well, it's about you know, when I was in college, I was a top level gymnast. And one day at practice, I was doing a vault that only two or three people in the country were trying at the time. And I took off on the wrong foot. And I landed on my head for about eight and a half feet in the air from a full speed run. knocked me completely out. When I regained consciousness, my neck was broken. And I was paralyzed. How old 20 years old? just turned 20. Yeah. My sophomore year in college. And so I was in the I went to the hospital, obviously. And I was in traction. 24 seven, I was there for like eight weeks. About four weeks into my stay. My doctor came in and said, Gary, you're not responding to any of the treatments. So you're going to be paralyzed for the rest of your life. And I said no, that's not my plan, Doc. And so I did a lot of visualization. And but I think the main thing was, you know, something inside me told me, you know, that I could heal myself and at the time, I really wasn't aware of what that was. And, you know, in hindsight, I know now that's, you know, yourself, God, you know the universe telling me, you know, hey, you can do this. And so I healed myself. It took me three years total to get back into competition, I competed again I did the vault, I broke my neck, I went on to a coaching career at a private club system. And I developed the program that, you know, it was a sequential basic program that taught total body awareness. And my kids were so successful that they asked me to be on the USA coaching staff, and I got to travel all over the world with the USA team. So that's kind of the story in a nutshell, right? In a nutshell. All

Alex Ferrari 5:37
right, so let's, let's go back a little let's, let's dig, let's dig a little deeper into this. Alright, so you are you you? What goes through your mind as a 20 year old? You know, essentially, man, boy, it's relatively speaking. Because I know I wasn't a man at 20. You might you might have definitely been, but I definitely wasn't. So at a 20 as a 20 year old guy, you get the news that the doctor comes in and says, You're not going to walk anymore. What does that do to your? What does that? What does that what's that conversation? Like? Oh,

Gary Buckmann 6:11
man, your inner mind shatter just goes, you know, ballistic, and you know, any anything and everything you can imagine, you know, any kind of emotion, you know, like, instantly you're thinking, Okay, you know, am I going to be that like distress my life? Is anybody ever gonna love me? What are my parents gonna think? Am I gonna be able to go back to school? You know, what am I going to do? I can't even take care of myself, you know, at that time, you know, they were feeding me bathing me helping me go to the bathroom. I'm, uh, you know, I was an invalid. And at that front, you know, right, then, you know, at that point, you know, I had gained everything in my life through the physical, you know, through physical force. Oh, and I was noticing I was a gymnast. And people recognize me for that talent. And so I was, you know, your whole life change. You're like, Oh, my God, you know, who am I? You know, who am I now that I can't do all this stuff, you know? And then what am I? What is my life going to be like? And that, I mean, I totally freaked out.

Alex Ferrari 7:07
So you are so at that point, and the doctor says, You're not going to walk again. So obviously, you your entire world comes crashing down around you. What inside you told you that? You can you can, this is not your diagnosis. Like there's that that voice? But yeah, there was no tools. It's not like you had that. But oh, let me get that book on how to heal yourself using visualization. Like there's How do you? How do you get to that point? Like, at what point did you just say, you know, what, I'm going to heal myself? How did you get from my life is over to know, it's not over? And I'm going to take control? how did how did you get there?

Gary Buckmann 7:48
Yeah, you know, what I did was, you know, I remember after, when the doctor gave me those, those words, you know, everything just kind of went blank, you know, and he kept talking. And it was like chatter in the background is just noise. And I remember telling you nurses, you know, don't let anybody in to see me today, I need a whole day to myself. And I took a whole day. And I just went through the gamut of emotions and freaked out and everything. And then I you know, and I kind of gave myself that, you know, being an athlete, you know, you kind of have a mindset of, you know, like, you got you have timetable. So I thought, Okay, I'm gonna get myself 24 hours to just feel it all, and freak out and do whatever, you know, and there's no timetable. Now, you could, you know, people might need longer than that, but I just gave myself 24 hours. And then after the 24 hour period, I said, Okay, I don't know how, you know, but I'm going to heal myself. And I think a lot of it had to do you know, with my bringing up as a child, you know, I was, you know, brought up in the 50s and 60s, and we didn't have a lot of money. I mean, we weren't poor, but you know, when when I asked for things, a typical answer is no, we you can't afford that. You can't have that, you know, and so, you know, all the time, I figured out ways to get things. You know, one of the things that I talked about in the book is is a unicycle story is I saw, you know, these this unicycle club at a parade for the gy parade. And man, it was so impressive. And I thought, that's what I want to do. And I asked if I could have one. And you know, my dad said, well, let's see, I'm gonna say our, of course, ever as much as a house payment in those days, you know, so they said, No, you can't have that. And I'm thinking, Oh, my God, you know, I'm devastated. And I thought, you know, well, I thought, well, can I build one? You know, and my dad goes, Yeah, you know, we have an old tricycle. And you know, so I built one. So it's kind of like, my upbringing kind of thought, you know, made me get creative. As you know, every time I got a lot of no answers in my life, you know? And so I thought, well, this is no different. He gave me a no answer. And I said, No, I'm going to figure some other way out of this. You know, and a lot of it had to do to I'll be honest with you, Alex, is my mother. My mother was a driving force on our family and she was four foot 11 and 90 pounds, you know, and she was as tough Iowa farm girl. And she always told me no matter what, you know, if you put your mind to it, you can accomplish anything and she always kept reminding me dynamite comes in small packages. So I think it had a lot to do with, you know, you know, my mom's influence, and then you know, just me, you know, just figuring things out, you know, from childhood.

Alex Ferrari 10:10
So, okay, so what's the actual process in your mind? Like, when you decide to like, I'm going to start building myself up again? What did you do? Like? What is that process? Like, in your mind? Are you like, do you just start literally reconstructing your, your, your back? In your mind? How do you do that?

Gary Buckmann 10:29
Yeah, you know, it's like, you know, being a gymnast, you know, we visualized our routines all the time, you know, and, you know, we'd see, I'd see myself doing my routines and hitting them and do them, and then I go out and perform them. So I started using visualization. And I was a physical education major. So I had taken anatomy and physiology on so I know how the human body worked. So I visualized the nerve impulses going from my brain, you know, through the neural pathways into my muscles and making them work again, I got real specific about that kind of a thing. But I also saw myself, you know, back all the way healed, you know, back with my teammates, back in school, back in the gym, working out back competing, again, in acro gym in front of 6000 people, you know, going on to my dream job, you know, as a coach in the private club sector, all of that I you know, and and I would actually feel that too, you know, I would, I would, I would see it, and I would feel it. And, you know, I just utilize what I had at the time, you know, and visualization was my most powerful tool, because, you know, I was flat on my back and traction, staring at the ceiling. So I didn't have anything else to do, you know, you know, so I just, I just did that 24, seven. And another thing that that was very, very important, you know, how we never do anything in our life alone. I had this amazing support team. And they were my teammates, who were also my roommates, we all lived in a team house together. And I, you know, I had to think back on it now. And here's a bunch of other 20 year olds, right. And we're all living together, and they're in school. And they made sure I don't know how they did this, because I was, you know, in the hospital and think about this, but they made sure that every day somebody was at the hospital supporting me, sometimes multiple people, but every day I was they were there. And from their support, and me visualizing, you know, I got I got my legs and was able to walk

Alex Ferrari 12:37
so so you're visualizing it in your mind? And when do you How long does it take before you actually feel or see something? Because I'm imagining this doesn't happen overnight. This takes time to do so. When did you actually first see something? How many weeks? How many days? How many months? How many hours?

Gary Buckmann 12:56
Yeah, you know, it was actually that's a great question. Because, you know, it wasn't exactly like two weeks to the day almost when I got the news. And, of course, I'd been visualizing from day one, you know, almost, you know, so I've been visualizing for six weeks total. Now, with that, after the news. And one day, one of my roommates came in, you know, and teammates came in, and I said, you know, today's the day, today, for what? And I said, today's the day, I'm going to wiggle my toes. And they go Really? He goes really? No, yeah. So I said, pull up the sheet, you know, on and I'm going to say now and you tell me if they move because I can't see him. So I he goes, Okay, and I said Okay, here we go on. And I said now and then he goes, Yeah, they moved. I said, Okay, I'm going to do it again, to make sure it's not a muscle Twitch. And he and I said, Okay, here it goes. He goes, Yeah, they moved and then I started kicking my leg, and then I got my legs back, and I was able to walk again. But my arms were still gone. My arms did not respond for a long, long time. But, you know, two weeks later, the doctors came in and said, You know what, there's nothing more we can do for you. It was a miracle. You got your, you know, you got your leg back, you can walk again, but we're just gonna send you home. So they actually sent me home. And I went home with with the guys back to the team house. With no arms.

Alex Ferrari 14:12
So okay, so, okay, this is amazing. What year was this around?

Gary Buckmann 14:16
This was 1972.

Alex Ferrari 14:18
Okay, so 1972 so technology. I look, I was born in 74. So I remember, I remember I remember the 70s I remember that the technology wasn't wasn't that advanced. So they thought that you were never gonna walk again. And yet they saw your feet move and your legs move. What did the doctor say?

Gary Buckmann 14:44
Yeah, no explanation. Yeah, that's what he you know, he just said it was like he said, you know, it's a miracle that your leg came back, you know, and that and that, you know, that you're walking again. He says, you know, but you know, but you know, I'm just gonna keep telling you know, it's that's that's that might be all you get. So it's like, you know, they said, there's nothing more they can do from us. And they released me. But yeah, and those days, all we had was x rays, there was no MRI. So they don't know what they can't see all the things that they can see nowadays until you, you know. And so that's all they had to go by was an X ray. And then they and all the treatments they were giving me for the, you know, for the complete time I was in there. I wasn't responding. So they said, Well, that's it, you know, and, you know, I think one of the things that people need to know, you know, I mean, I, I, I loved my doctor, you know, and he helped me and he put me back together and stuff. But, you know, I just didn't want to accept his diagnosis and prognosis fully, you know, completely, you know, so I, I, I don't, I would never say not to listen to your doctor, because they're great people and to help people. But also, you know, discern what you need and what works for you, and what doesn't work for you what

Alex Ferrari 15:54
the diagnose the diagnosis was true. You broke it back. I mean, that that Yeah, that was that's reality. The reality is that you broke your neck, you're, you're paralyzed. That's not in question. No, that question was, cannot come back. And that's where doctors sometimes, aren't you, that's where you need. That's where the wiggle room is, as far as listening. Because Yeah, the prognosis is the prognosis is like, Look, you this is what happened, this is the diagnosis, your back is broken. Yep. Now, during those first six weeks, when you're doing visualization, essentially, almost 24 hours a day, and you got nothing else to do. How did you get through that that time? I mean, you had to like, I mean, mentally, that must have been extremely tough for you. At a certain point, you must have some doubt fallen in, there's going, what are you doing? This is ridiculous. Just accept what there has to be that voice in your head during this time, right? Just accept what what the universe has given you and move on? And maybe you'll have some sort of a life, you know, and it's it, that that voice was there, correct?

Gary Buckmann 17:01
Yes, that voice was there, your you have loud and clear all the time, you know, and, and like I said, you know, it was it was good that I had the support of my teammates. But one of the things that, you know, I talked about in the book is my roommate, I had a roommate next door to me, his name was oral. And he was in there for a hip replacement. He was 70 something years old. And that guy got me through I swear to God, he would talk to me, you know, like, I remember, you know, the next day when I woke up, you know, from, you know, the nightmare. And I was by myself and I was, you know, and I was scared and frayed. And this soothing voice comes from, you know, there's a divider, you know, a curtain. So we can't see each other and I can't turn to look and see him or nothing. But he goes, Hey, says, Hey, good morning, roomie. My Name Is Earl, and you know, and I said, Hello, we're on Gary. And then we started talking, and he talked to me every day, you know what I mean? And he gave me like, insight and new perception, new perceptions on life, you know, like, we would talk about everything from, you know, our childhood to friends, you know, girlfriends, you know, accidents, whatever, you know, we talked about everything in life. And he his wisdom, you know, you know, I'm 20 He's 70 something, you know, I would say what, you know, I'd say what I was feeling, he goes, Well, you know, you might want to look at it like this, you know, and he would give you give another perspective. And he got me through I swear, man, he, you know, and we talked for a good month before he could get up and walk and come over and see me. And that was that was exciting and thrilling when he got when we finally got to meet face to face. And he was everything that I imagined, you know, like, you know, the jolly face and the balding hair and, and, you know, and he was he was he was just great.

Alex Ferrari 18:56
So during the toughest time and you're essentially in your entire life up to that point. Arguably, if your life period the universe sends you an angel, especially, and that angel is sitting next to you. And I you know, if whether you believe in the universe, you don't but I mean, obviously if you're listening to this podcast, there's some sort of belief in something of a higher power but Isn't it weird that you didn't get the crotchety old guy who's like shut up kid? Yeah, it's okay. I when I was in the I was in WWE, this is why you didn't get that guy. Cuz you arguably could have gotten that guy but you got a beautiful soul that just was there to help you and guide you and teach you and and kind of just walk you through this. This valley of of pain that you were going through. Isn't it amazing how the universe works?

Gary Buckmann 19:49
Yes, yeah, I'm in it. I'm getting goosebumps right now. You're talking about it's like yeah, Angel URL. And that was just that was that was that was gotten to university is helping me out completely because without him, I swear, I probably would have went crazy

Alex Ferrari 20:05
that I was gonna say like, when when I heard this story originally, I'm like, okay, you're sitting there, you can't move, you're looking up into the, into essentially a white ceiling. I'm assuming you can't move. Did you were able to move your neck at all or no,

Gary Buckmann 20:18
no, no. And the attraction was so tight that, you know, I can hardly open my mouth. They, they would, they would have to take the traction off so that I could feed me and then put it back on again, you know,

Alex Ferrari 20:26
so you were basically locked into one white wall. So that's maddening. I mean, that's, that's madness for any human being just to be locked like that. So yeah, I was just thinking to myself, before we started talking, I was like, if you're locked in there for like, a month or two, hell a day or two, you lose your mind if you got, but luckily, you did have your your teammates and you had URL Angel URL. They're guiding you through this entire process. That's remarkable. So you you start moving your legs? And yeah, and are you able to walk out?

Gary Buckmann 21:00
Yeah, I, you know, cuz I remember, you know, Earl would say, you know, I'm gonna come over and see you today, you know, and then and I remember, you know, he walked off and walk down the hallway. And I told him, I said, well, pretty soon I'll be I'll take walks with your I promise, you know. And so after the, you know, after I got my legs back, then I, I, you know, within a day or two, you know, I was taking walks with Earl, so we walked for together, you know, for about a week and a half before

Alex Ferrari 21:26
I got released, you know? And then but you had but your arms wouldn't read

Gary Buckmann 21:30
my arms when when come back.

Alex Ferrari 21:33
So how long did it take? So winter? Once you're home? You have your legs back, but you have no arms? So, how long before? And what's the cause? There's a different process with being in the hospital interaction with Angel URL and your teammates. Where did you go back? home? Did you go back to the word the teammates were? Where did you go?

Gary Buckmann 21:56
Yeah, I went back to the team house. I went home with the guys they came and picked me up all of them came and picked me up and let somebody tell me Yeah, now now that now they were my, you know, nursemaids. They were, they were having to feed me and bathe me and, you know, dress me and, you know, that's amazing. And it I mean, you know, and, and the thing about it was the 20 year old mentality was the exact medicine I needed to, you know, to feel normal again, you know, they didn't treat me any differently. You know, and I was above a lot of jokes and everything, you know, and, you know, and, and, and they had interesting ways of feeding me, like, you know, like, from across the table with a spoon and trying to get in my mouth, you know, so, I look like I've been in a food fight, but I got fed. But that wasn't all the time. But you know, I met and, you know, it's just, you know, they just end they treat me like normal, they then make a big deal out of it, you know, and also to, you know, like, when I started to have a, you know, like a self pity party or something, you know, start feeling down and out, you know, they would, they would give me, you know, they get right on me, they get right on my case, you know, say we're not listening to his negativities crap, you know, snap out of it, man, you're, you're with us, you know, we know what you're gonna do. You know, so yeah, I

Alex Ferrari 23:08
mean, they, they kept me on the straight and narrow to, they supported me. And then they, they gave me tough love. Because you I mean, during that process, even after you already had the proof that your legs were able to come back. But when the arms weren't reacting as quickly as you would like them to, I'm assuming that doubt started coming in that anger started coming in. And you had to, because when you're in the room alone, there's not a lot, but when you start seeing your friends and the life that you should be living in, in your mind, I got to believe that anger is just starts bubbling up. So how did it was, it was your teammates that helped you get through that, but I'm assuming there's also those times quietly, when your teammates weren't around that you dealt with that? How did you deal with it?

Gary Buckmann 23:51
Well, you know, I think, you know, it helped me in 20. But also, I really, at the time, I didn't think a lot about it, but I was turning inward, you know, I was turning inward to just calm myself down. And, and, and, you know, believe in myself, but you know, at that time, I didn't realize, you know, that was the love of my higher self and God speaking to me threw me at me with me, you know, but I didn't get it. Because I was so young, you know, and, but yeah, I did a lot of just being quiet and, you know, thinking about, you know, you made a decision. And, you know, you got all the support, you're going to make it you're going to make it you know, it doesn't look good. Now, it doesn't look you know, like like, you know, not all the time you're going to be up, but, you know, I just kept thinking I can do this, I can do this I can do this, like anything any goal that I set for myself. And one of the things that kept me going Alex to be honest with you, was the fact that when, if the if the nerve impulses and the feeling This sensation went all the way to my toe. Or sure it's coming back to my arms that's closer to the brain, it's gonna come back. So that's what kept me going a lot. I was like, Okay, if we went there, it's coming here.

Alex Ferrari 25:12
It's just gonna take its time, it's gonna take its time to get there. So you're still, you're visualizing still everyday?

Gary Buckmann 25:17
Yeah, all Yeah, everyday. And I would go up every night, you know, in my room, and I would, you know, I could swing my arms from my shoulders, you know, I could shoot my torso, and I'd swing an arm up into my lap. And I would just sit there, you know, and look at my hand, you know, and I just be going, No,

Unknown Speaker 25:36
Mo, Mo, you know, I

Gary Buckmann 25:37
just, I just wanted to open my fingers, you know, and, but I would do that every night, you know, and, you know, and then you're always in pain, too, because the back muscles are spasming to protect the spinal cord. So you never can get comfortable. You're just always in pain, you know? And did you know, just to let you know, I was probably, I was, you know, the doctor, when I got out, the doctor was having me come in, like, every two weeks for checkups, but a lot of times, you know, he would have to cancel because he was an orthopedic surgeon, and he'd have surgery or whatever. And, and he kept telling me the same old thing, you know, like, we don't know, and this is, you know, this is it, you know, and I'm so I got tired of going to, so I stopped going to, you know, because I thought, you know, I'm healing myself, I got my teammates, you know, I'm living my life to heck with this, you know, so I stopped going to them. And probably about three months later, I woke up one morning, and all the pain was gone. And I thought, Oh, my God, you know, like, I'd forgotten about this sensation of being pain free, you know, like, because I was constantly hurting all the time. And I thought, wow, this is cool, you know, and I took it in a little bit. And then I start thinking, Okay, well, well, why is this happening? You know, why? Why am I not hurting? You know, what's the deal here? You know? So, you know, I had the guys called the team, Dr. Manhattan called the doctor and I went in for an appointment. And of course, he was he was furious. You know, he hadn't seen me in three months. You know? He wasn't very happy. Where the hell have you been? You know, and how to hit it. Yeah, yeah. How do you have me help you if you don't show up? You know, I say, Well, you know, I said, He's where you banished, and I've been out healing myself, Doc.

Alex Ferrari 27:16
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Gary Buckmann 27:25
You know, I you know, I

Alex Ferrari 27:26
want to stop, stop you for there for a second. This is like 7273, you saying I'm out healing myself is essentially quackery is your, your you've lost your mind. In today's world, it's slightly more acceptable. It's with this, there is so much information about visualization, and Dr. Joe espa. forgot his name. And

Gary Buckmann 27:49
Joe dispenza, do this. Yeah, he's got all the science. Now.

Alex Ferrari 27:52
Still, there's science behind all this stuff as far as the visualization, and there's an actual thing behind it. But I can only imagine I would love to be in the room with you just a 20 year old looking at a doctor who's probably in his 50s or 60s at that point in the game. Look at it, you go and you're you're mad, you're mad. So I just wanted everybody to understand the world that we are living in when this is happening is not today's world. It is definitely a different time.

Gary Buckmann 28:19
Yeah, it was. And, you know, so he goes, Well, we need to take x rays. And so you know, my, you know, my inner chatter says they are fine. Go ahead, take your stupid x rays, you know. And so I'm anticipating good news, you know, because I'm figuring, you know, it's been like, gosh, nine months or more since the injury. And so he comes back and he goes, you need an operation? immediately. I go, what, what are you talking about? He says, He says, Come over here, you know, and so he puts the X ray up on the machine, you know, and lights it up. And of course, you know, like I said, I'm a PE major. So I know what the spinal column supposed to look like. Well, now, you know, the initial injury was a compression fracture, where I landed on my head and it disintegrated the disc between the vertebrae and cracked the vertebrae in half. And it also it subluxed it and it slid it like this.

Unknown Speaker 29:12
Oh, my God,

Gary Buckmann 29:14
what's the back muscle spasm then pulled everything back into place. So you know, when the original x rays, they said, Yeah, your neck broken, but everything's aligned. Well, now the back muscles filing? Yeah, loosened up? Well, it slipped back out. And there was like a big bone spur growing out the front of them, you know, my seventh vertebrae where the body was trying to heal itself. And the vertebrae was still cracked and you know, cracked. And so he goes, he goes, you know how much a millimeter or two is, and I said, Yeah, he says, Well, that's what your vertebrae is hanging on by. He said, someone can come up and slap you on the back to say, Hello, and that vertebrae, a slip off, cut your coordinates, you're going to kill you, or you're going to go down and be a quadriplegic for the rest of your life. And I'm like, going, Oh, my God. You got to be kidding me. You know, like, all this. I think I'm healing and now you You're telling me I'm a walking time bomb and I could die? What are you out of your mind? You know, he says, Yeah, you need an operation to me. And we have to schedule it within the next day or two because you know, you I don't want you walking around. And so I said, Okay, so you know, so I hadn't I had an operation, you

Alex Ferrari 30:15
know, at that point, you're like, there's the X ray. I I've taken classes. I understand what that means. Yeah. So you did so they put your your back back? Yeah, yeah. Your arms yet? They're not yet. Yeah. Oh, yeah, no. So they so you put the put you back in. And they, I guess they bolt you together, like Frankenstein or something.

Gary Buckmann 30:40
But they actually, they actually cut a bone chip out of your hip out of your iliac crest. And they put it in between, and they let you put your neck and let it fused together naturally as a bone. So my sixth and seventh grade ray is one big bone now. Just one, one vertebrae. So it's, it's it's natural. It's now you know, I don't have any screws or anything in there. So but it took six months. Yeah, it took six months for that to happen. But then it's like, okay, you know, you you hear about hip pointers, or a bone bruise or something. Oh my gosh, now I got this other pain in my hip. And everybody goes, Well, how's your neck? My neck is fine. My hip is killing me.

Alex Ferrari 31:15
And you're 21 at this point? Probably.

Gary Buckmann 31:19
Yeah, so I had to, I had to walk that off, you know, so

Alex Ferrari 31:22
So how many so how many months? Did it take you or how many years it's taking before the arm start coming back?

Gary Buckmann 31:27
Well, it took you know, I had the operation of September. And in November, I was out walking them on one of my typical walks. And you know, it's cold up there and Chico. And all of a sudden, I felt that the cold on my hands. And I noticed that my arms were swinging. I'm like, Oh my god, I stopped dead in my tracks. And when, you know, and I and I thought, okay, so with a thought I lifted my arms up, you know, Ben, um, you know, and then I, you know, I wiggle my fingers, you know, and I'm like, Oh, my God, you know, and I put my thumb I'm back, I'm back, you know, like, thank God, I'm back, you know. And so that's when the, the motor in the century came back, you know? So it's been almost, you know, science. So it was, I broke it in February. And I got all the total feeling back in middle of November.

Alex Ferrari 32:19
So, so Okay, and then the question is, though, do you have you've got your arms back. Now you got and then from the point where you're like, Oh, my God, a miracle has happened. Finally. I am. I'm back. Yeah. Now most human beings. Gary. would stop there, Gary. They would just go. Thank you. Thank you, universe. Thank you, God. Thank you. I'm gonna go on and live a normal life. Yeah. But Gary said, No. Gary said no. You know, I really want to hit that thing I was trying to hit when I broke my neck. I want to go back into competition. What?

Gary Buckmann 33:03
Yeah, I just thought that was a natural path. I

Alex Ferrari 33:05
just obviously, obviously, Gary, you understand you understand from my point it for most human beings, but you're not. You're not? Well,

Gary Buckmann 33:13
yeah, somebody's telling you. No, it's funny. I told that story to somebody else, you know, and they go, you need to have your head examined. You know, as well, yeah. I don't know. But, yeah, so you know, yeah. And so I, it took me from that point, this was, you know, now, you know, in 1973. So it's like, I, I, it took me probably about 18 months to get all the way back in 1974 75. season was my best my senior year, I stayed around an extra year for college sent, you know, since I got hurt, and that that year was my best season ever.

Alex Ferrari 33:49
And it just started working out. And are you still visualizing during this entire

Gary Buckmann 33:53
time? Oh, yeah, yeah, still visualizing and doing things and not and now, you know, that he gave me He gave me this little goose, you know, there's little goose ball thing, you know, that, that became like an extra appendage of my body, I was like, squeezing that thing in my jacket pocket all day long. And, you know, and then I had to learn how to, you know, I had to get all my dexterity back. So he said, you know, you got to learn how to touch your fingers, like this forward and backwards, which I couldn't do at the time, I you know, I couldn't do that I couldn't make a fist. And so I had to get all my, you know, my fine motor skills back first. So I could, you know, and, and I had a lot of incentive, because I wanted to be able take care of myself, I wanted to be able to feed myself again, and, you know, dressed myself, but my own pants and that kind of stuff. So I got all that back. And then I started working on the strength and i and i assessed my upper body strength immediately, which, you know, after three weeks of non use of muscles, they start to atrophy. So it's been like nine, you know, nine months that you know, total almost, you know, now it's like, you know, you you you atrophied away to nothing, and I'm not that big of a guy anyway. So I had to, you know, I had to come back, you know, I couldn't support myself, I couldn't even you know, support myself on my arms like I you know,

Alex Ferrari 35:00
Like, like a, like a gymnast would have this

Gary Buckmann 35:02
good. You know, I couldn't even get up on my arms, you know, so I had to come back to you know, so I, but I, I made sure that you know that I, in my training that I trained all the all the basic things that I needed, and I got all my strength and flexibility back, and I actually came back stronger than when I left before the injury.

Alex Ferrari 35:18
Interesting. So you came back strong, what do you what do you Why do you think is that that that is?

Gary Buckmann 35:23
Well, I think just because, you know, I wanted to make sure that, you know, I trained the right way, and it didn't leave anything out, you know, so and I wanted to you know, and I was older now to you know what I mean? Like guys physically mature later, you know? Sure, yeah, you know, but now, you know, but I'm one of the things that I didn't realize at the time was, how much fun I thought it was when I was in high school. And my younger years in college, doing strength, you know, strength workouts were like, exciting, fun, you know, I was like, I like doing that, you know, and now it's like, oh, my God, this is hard. You know, this is you know, cuz cuz I'm coming from way below what I've ever been before. And I had to come back, I'm like, going, Oh, my God, this is this is depressing, almost, you know, but I but it was motivation and incentive to come back. And so I told myself, you know, one of the things that I did, the day that I got my arms back, was I'm in I've made a promise to God and the universe at that point that, you know, I'll never take this body of mine for granted again, I will never do that I will, I will keep it healthy. And today, you know, this year, I turned 70. And so, you know, I'm still working out. And I'm still bouncing on the trampoline with my grandsons. And oh, you know, I've kept my word that way. But yeah, it kind of drove me to, to actually, you know, make sure that when I came back, I had to come back stronger. And I also had to overcome some things because, like, you know, you have all these little extrinsic and intrinsic muscles in your hands to hold on to things. And holding on to the apparatus was one of my biggest things coming back, I, you know, I was strong enough to do things, but I didn't have the hand strength anymore. Because, you know, and I to this day, I still have one hand, it's not all the way back, that's the only thing I have. I mean, it works. But you can see my if you ever see me, you know, you'll see that one hand has all the muscles in and the other hand is like, little so so I had to overcome it by the forum, the forum strength had to get so strong to hold on to things, you know, and I, I had to make sure that I could hold on to the apparatus, you know, before I could come all the way back. So I had to keep working and working and working and working.

Alex Ferrari 37:30
The one thing I find interesting is that, and I think this is something that the universe does to us all the time where you got your arm back, you got your arms back, but that was just the beginning of the conversation. Yeah, that the you know, you got your legs back, but that was just the beginning of the conversation. It's like, now, we're giving you a seed, it's time for you to grow it. And it's time for you to put the work in and build it back up. But you're gonna have to do the work well, we'll open the door, but you got to go through it, and you're gonna have to do the work. And that was what I when you get your arms back. You needed to do an insane amount of work to come back and not just become back to do your normal stuff. But then you also wanted to compete again, because again, Gary's not well, so. I mean, we've, we've established that already. So you had to do even so much more work. And I think that's something that people don't understand is that when, you know, the higher power of the universe, God gives you something. They think, oh, that's it? I'm good. Like, nope. It's like, it's like in my world. You know, if you get apart if you get a project, a film project, and you're like, Okay, you've just got financed to make a movie. That's, that's the beginning of the conversation. Some directors don't understand that. Sometimes, like, Oh, I'm good. I'm like, No, no, you're not now the real work starts. Yeah. Cuz you thought the work to get here was the will work. No, no, no, no. Now the real work starts. And that's where many people just fall because it just it because it took so much. Listen, look, I can't even comprehend. Trying to rebuild my body that with visualization for six weeks, in a room in a hospital in 1972. Looking up at a white ceiling. That's an insane amount of work. But then when you get your feet, your legs back, you're like, Nope, that's just now the beginning of the conversation. I think that's a lesson that the audience should really take is that when you're giving that little nugget that you've been looking for, most of the time, the work starts there. Do you agree? Yeah, I

Gary Buckmann 39:36
do. Totally, totally. I'd say you know, I think you know, like when one of the things that we need to do, you know, in our life and one of the things that I wanted to share with the book was, you know, like connecting the dots of your life, being able to see the gifts in every experience or, you know, programming that you've got or reprimand or whatever, you know, the so called Bad things, you know, quote, bad things that happened to your life are actually, most of the time, the catalysts for all of the amazing things that happened in your life, you know, and like you said, when the universe gives you something, then you take that gift and you run with it, you know, and I think that really propelled me, you know, like, the comeback to the competitive thing really helped me, you know, in my career, you know, because there was a lot, you know, what, when I got my dream job back with my, you know, mentor back at the private club business, you know, and I, and I got there, you know, I'm very, it's like you say, yet, there's the beginning, right? Well, first day on the job, I realized that, Oh, my gosh, you know, I don't have spotting skills. I don't know how to spot these kids through these and manipulate them through these moves safely. You know, and surely, me, I'm not gonna let somebody get hurt, you know? And I thought, Oh, my gosh, my career's over Ford started, you know, I don't know how to spot I'm done. But no, you know, so I had to figure out a way to learn how to spot you know, safely, before practice, you know, with with little kids and do everything. So it's like, yeah, here you go, you know, and so, it's like, anything, it's, I think, one of the things that, that athletes have, that you hear a lot of, you know, like, you know, you need to get back to the basics. basics are very important, you know, but the reason that the basics are important, is because of the struggle, basics are so boring in a pain in the rear end, and are so repetitive and like, Oh my god, you know, but when you do it, it develops so much awareness and strength, and, you know, ability, that it allows you to reach your full potential. And I think when people like you said, if you can see the gift, and then take it on from there, they're going to be able to reach their full potential.

Alex Ferrari 41:43
I mean, you you are, you're not only an inspiration, but I find that I find that when you are going through what you were going through, and you're seeing the the the negative thing, all the bad things that that this is a bad Look, it's a bad thing to be broken neck at 20. Most people's life is over at that point. Those are the you went through so much struggle early in your life, I have to imagine that most of anything else you tackled in your life. You were like, at least I didn't break my neck. Yeah, I think it's pretty much all downhill at this point. Like you've already you're Atlas you've already lifted that that boulder up the up the mountain already at a young age. So almost anything that the world throws at you. And I'm not I'm not assuming that. But um, but you know, I guess I am making that assumption that most things that are thrown in front of your path at that point, you're like, this, it didn't break my neck.

Gary Buckmann 42:48
Yeah, exactly. I'm not paralyzed. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah. And it's and it's true, you know, because, you know, anything like, you know, like, I differentiated, you know, physical pain from emotional pain, you know, and I was good at physical pain. But I wasn't very good at emotional pain. And then when, you know, when I went through some emotional times in my life, I'm like, going, God, I thought you said, you only give me what I could handle, you know, that this is killing me. You know, it's like, you know, but you revert back to that, you know, that, that, you know, that training, you know, that stuff that I went through the struggle, and you and you can handle it, and you and you find that yeah, it is true, you can handle anything, you know, well, you have

Alex Ferrari 43:30
it, but in order for us to, to to grow as, as not only people but as souls through our adventure through this journey that we're going through in this life. You only learn by adversity, you only learn from the weight of life, just like in a gym, you're lifting weights, to grow your muscle, you need that weight, you need that stress, in order to go through it in order to grow. It's not fun. It's not easy. It is painful. I didn't want to go through breakups. When I was going through, I didn't want to go through a lot of the stuff that I went through. I mean, I wrote an entire book about how I almost made a $20 million movie for the mafia, and no more and my life threatened for a year while I was making the biggest movie stars in the world at 20 at 26. So that is that is that was that was basically my broken neck. Yep. In my life. That was my broken neck. That was what I that was my journey that I had to go through. And it took me years to figure out and I'm talking over a decade to figure out the gift that that was, Do I wish I didn't have to go through it. I look i'm sure in one way. If there's a there's a voice in your head, like if you had the choice, would you do it again? Looking back, I said to myself, yes, I'll go through it again. I absolutely would go through it again. Because I am who I am today because of it. At the time. I didn't want to deal with it at the time. I didn't want to go through it. But that's life. But you are much stronger I call it shrapnel. It's the shrapnel of life. And you harden, and you get stronger, and you build this kind of almost armor going through life and these skills, look at the skill sets of visualization that you've got, I'm sure have benefited you tremendously throughout your life. Is that fair?

Gary Buckmann 45:20
Yeah, it is completely, you know, and, like you said, and see, like, for me, you know, like, your, your journey, your story, you know, scares the heck out of me. And yours scares the hell out of me. Exactly. As long as Daniel. So yeah, it is, you know, that is a thing. And we, as you know, as spiritual beings, you know, you need to know that we can we can, you know, we there is a gift in the struggle, you know what I mean? And there is a gift in why people did things like, you know, like, so many of us, like, for me, I remember, I blamed my dad my entire life, for teaching me the way he did not, he never reprimanded me. He never verbally abused me never do any of that stuff. He taught me so many skills. But I didn't realize, you know, like, when he was including me, and all of these projects around the house and teaching me at the same time, well, I didn't think you know, of him being on a time schedule, you know, to get things done, you know, around the house. I was like, you know, we would be working together. And all of a sudden, you see, he'd send me off to go get a tool, and then he'd finished the project, you know, while I was gone. You know what I mean? So he, when I came back, you know, that screamed loud and clear to my little boy, like, okay, you're not good enough, you're not smart enough, you're not talented enough. And so I got angry, you know, and I got mad. So my dad, you know, he caused me to, you know, feel, you know, inferior, you know, and then it's like, like you said, I'm sitting in my kitchen here, just like two or three years ago. And it hits me like a ton of bricks. Oh, my God, if my dad hadn't taught me the way he did, I wouldn't have coached the way I did. You know, because I didn't want that to happen to my students. So I came up with this kind of a coaching method, which made me successful. And I often, you know, I got goosebumps talking about right now like saying, Thank you, dad. Oh, my God, thank you for teaching me the way you did. I didn't appreciate it at the time, you know, but then again, I saw, you know, here's the gift. And I'm thinking, wow, I blamed him for that all my life and made him the scapegoat. And that wasn't very there. That wasn't the truth.

Alex Ferrari 47:22
There is a perfect genius behind everything in the way it works. Yeah. And the older you get, the more you realize that. And, you know, you just turned 70 I'm 46. You know, I'm raising young children right now. And I'm seeing I'm seeing what's going on. And as you get older, you just start to realize, oh, okay, that that makes sense that like that, that revelation for you that you just got a minute ago. Yeah. In the scope of your life. You know, it takes sometimes it takes a lifetime to figure things out like that app, but my experience my that that horrific journey that I went through for a year of my life, is what made me and is the reason why I do a lot of the things I do. Because I always want people to avoid falling into these pitfalls, avoid these, this pain. And if I hadn't gone through that, I'm not sure I would have that empathy, that kind of empathy with humanity if I hadn't gone through that. And you could be going through the worst thing ever. And someone listening to this right now you could be going through a broken back, you could be sitting in traction somewhere in the world right now. You could have, you know, an abusive family, you could be in the middle of a war, you could be whatever that is. Try to find the beauty in it. And I know it's so hard to say that, especially when you're in that when you're in that when you're in the weeds, it's hard to say it. And from where I'm sitting here, and we're from you're sitting there everyone's like, Listen, oh, it was really nice for you to say that. I'm like, No, but we're saying it from someone who's been there in our own world, and our own pain. Because, I mean, the late Dr. Wayne Dyer, who I loved here, he blamed his father for his drunk Father, I think abandoned him. And he blamed so many things for him. And it took him years to understand that it was because of him, that he was able to do so many things and he actually thanked him for doing what he did to him as negative, positive and in the scope of the universe. Positive and negative, good and bad. That doesn't really make that that does that's not a concept in the universe. You know, if a meteor hits our planet today, and destroy civilization, is it good or bad? From our point of view, it's bad if we step on an anthill and stinking bad To us, we were just walking. Yeah. And that's where people really kind of have to get away from the good or bad thing. And again, you know, we're sitting where we're at right now, but you and I have both been through two very different experiences, but both terrify each other. Yes.

Gary Buckmann 50:16
You know, and and I think, you know, and I've heard this somewhere before, you know, but I've adopted, you know, and I and I talked about in the book also is like, you know, if, if we can just grasp the concept, that life doesn't happen to us. It happens for us. Yeah, it's for us, you know, and once you grasp that concept, he's like, Oh, my gosh, you know, and when you can actually, you know, stop and look back on your life and see all the things he did and connect the dots in your life nicely, like what you were saying, you know, that'll give you the awareness to see things from a whole new perspective, and that will transform and change your life.

Alex Ferrari 50:54
Absolutely. And now things when bad things or quote unquote, bad things happen to me or things that I feel that are negative, I always pull back for a minute and go, Okay, what is what's the silver lining here? Why is this happening? And why is it happening now? And I'm telling you, 10, out of 10 times, I can't see what's going on. all I could see was like, right here, this is what's happening in front of me. But if I wait a few months, or wait, maybe even a year or two, or maybe a few hours, you go, Oh, that's why that happened. That's why I needed to, oh, I'm late. I'm late for that. That meeting, because I had to run into my wife. You know, like, these are the things that the universe just does. And if you can see the silver lining in the negative and look at it, just like you said, it's happening for us, not to us. And in the whole thing to us is ego. egos. Ego is I have to ask you, I have to ask you this. Let's talk about ego for a second. Okay. I mean, you were I mean, I saw some pictures of you, when you were a young man, you were a good looking strapping young man.

Unknown Speaker 52:01
Thank you.

Alex Ferrari 52:02
You're a Strapping Young man, you're an athlete, you're in college, I'm sure everything was you know, you were getting, you're going on dates, having Life was good. You were on the gymnast team. And then this thing happens to you. Your ego must have been devastated and destroyed. And then it becomes vicious with you. Battling that ego. What, like, Did you just say Shut the hell up? I've got work to do.

Gary Buckmann 52:34
Yeah, you know, I think that to some extent, that's what I did. You know, I just kind of said, you know, shut up, or Thank you, but no, thank you. I'm not listening to that, you know, I have I have this vision. I have this track. I'm on it, you know, and that's the way it is. And, you know, speaking of ego, you know, one of the, like, I said, how the universe works. You know, one of the reasons that I think, you know, like, I always tell people, you know, breaking my neck was probably one of the best things that ever happened to me in my life. And in bed looks at me, like, What do you mean? And I said, Well, I was going down the wrong path. Like you said, I in high school, gymnastics was kind of a joke. And we weren't really accepted as athletes, and nobody came to our competitions. I go to college, and we have 6000 people plus at all of our meats, and they're sold out. And I walk across campus, and everybody's Hi, Gary. Hi, Gary. Hi, Gary. You know, and you know, and girls are giving me notes and all that stuff. Right? And your head goes, boom. Oh, yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. Oh, look at me, you know, I'm all you know, you know, yeah. You know, I'm big man on campus. Now, you know, and I'm doing this, I'm doing that, you know, now sudden, bam, you know, let's, let's take that away and see what happens.

Alex Ferrari 53:40
Exactly, exactly. And be exact. And I'll give you my side of that same exact same story. I'm 26. Hey, you're gonna make a $20 million movie, hey, you're gonna meet some movie stars, hey, you're gonna do this, I'm like, this is gonna be the thing. My ego was like, I was so I couldn't even fit in a building and my ego was so big. And I would and if that movie would have gone, I would have self destructed there's no question in my mind, I would have completely gone down the wrong path, I would have self destructed I would have heard a lot of people, if I would have been given that kind of success at that moment in my life. So I needed an ex bipolar gangster, to threaten my life on a daily basis for a year to pummel me down to a place where I'm like, oh, and then come back a little bit. But that ego got a big weapon. Just like you don't you go got a big weapon, and it was a weapon that we needed. We all needed it at that time in our lives. Yeah,

Gary Buckmann 54:38
exactly. You know, and you know, it and I, you know, I also talked about in the book, too, is like, you know, like, my ego is what actually got me you know, in trouble, you know, because, you know, we're trying to do something

Alex Ferrari 54:48
that only three other people in the country were doing.

Gary Buckmann 54:52
And, and somebody said, you know, you're, you know, like, you're a perfect candidate for this phone. I'm thinking, God, you know, what this will do for your career and you know, and then bam, like, it's You know, yeah,

Alex Ferrari 55:00
well, so with that, so with that said after after everything you did went after it again. Was that ego? Or what was that that made you want to do it again?

Gary Buckmann 55:08
Now, you know, I think a little both, because, you know, I, you know, to be honest with you, I did that vault again. But I only did it once. And I did it in practice, because my coach was kind of questioning my manlihood at the time to be nice.

Alex Ferrari 55:25
so fantastic. so fantastic. Coach got it really good up. A fantastic coach. Got it. Got it. Yeah.

Gary Buckmann 55:31
So I saw I looked at my teammates, and I said, Hey, Robert, you know, you know, I'm going to throw the handspring front, and I hadn't thrown the dang thing since I got hurt. You know, but I'd trained myself, you know, in flipping, but you know, and he goes, don't do it. Don't do it. I say no, I'm going to shut him up. So it is ego and stuff slides. So I threw the ball in practice. Yeah, he actually kicked me out of practice. Which was smart. But you know, but But yeah, but I, but I just thought, you know, I'm gonna, I'm gonna do that just

Alex Ferrari 55:59
just to prove so and the universe was kind enough to go he, he's, he's, he's done enough. It's okay. Let's give it to him again. But if he does it again, we're gonna slap him again.

Gary Buckmann 56:10
Exactly. And I did. And I changed my vault. After that I did a different vault. I didn't do it. I didn't do that balton competition.

Alex Ferrari 56:17
So it's gotta be careful that ego does get you It gets you but it was it can get it could get you back. Can you imagine? Oh, my God, I can't even imagine if something would have happened again. Oh, my God, I'm scared. And this is like, what this is 50 years ago. And I'm like, Oh, God, girl Don't buy.

Unknown Speaker 56:33
Yeah, well, I

Alex Ferrari 56:35
mean, your story is remarkable. I really hope that people listening will find inspiration in it and understand that you can change things in your life, you can see the silver lining in, in the pain, and the struggle, and that is what makes us stronger. That's what makes us grow. And it's very difficult to do it when you're in the middle of it. I mean, I can't I can't even grasp what you went through in those three years. Luckily, you were young man as well, that happened when you were 20 and not 50. Because that's a different conversation. Yep, completely, completely different conversation. So there's an alignment that happened. That was a perfect timing for you for for this this lesson. It was it was it was a giant life lesson, and it completely shaped the rest of your life. As my as my, my experience shaped mine, I'm going to ask you a couple questions that I want to want to hear your thoughts on? Why do you think we are here as souls as people?

Gary Buckmann 57:42
I think the main thing is, is to share our gifts, because each one of us has a gift inside to share. And I think our you know, like, our souls destiny is to, to share that gift with the world. You know, and no matter what it is, and I, I just I just think that all of us are so special. And that, you know, we need to realize that and that no matter what you you, no matter what your gift is, you know, whether it's just being good at cooking, or cleaning or whatever it is, you know, it shared with the world, because it helps you know what I mean. And I think we're here to support each other. I think we're here to help each other. You know, and I think we're here to love each other. Okay,

Alex Ferrari 58:38
I couldn't have said it better myself. And what is your soul's mission here in this life? Ah,

Gary Buckmann 58:46
wow. You know, it's interesting, because I actually had a soul reading from a friend. No, they said, you know, you have the six, six energy, you are a master creator, you know, and I didn't, you know, and all my life, you know, my, my, my soul has been telling me, you know, you need to do, you're going to do something big. And I never knew what that was. And I might have already done it. You know what I mean? I was already it's pretty,

Alex Ferrari 59:11
I mean, to be fair, you've done a couple things

Gary Buckmann 59:14
to be passed on, but, but it's like, you know, I just, you know, I, I, I just feel like, you know, I, I want to just be able to help create awareness, you know, for people to understand that they are capable of so much more than they have been told by society or family or whatever that they're capable of doing. And, you know, if you look at at me, you know, and I'm five foot seven and 135 pounds, I'm not this big, you know, Superman or anything, but we all have the, the the mind is a great equalizer, but the the internal intelligence, you know, that we all possess is going to allow us to do anything And everything that we we think that is so called impossible and just have our mind, be this the servant of, you know,

Alex Ferrari 1:00:09
our soul, our inner voice of that that inner intelligence that I always say to people look inside look inward because that is where you find a lot of the answers in life. Now where can people find this amazing book and find out more about you?

Gary Buckmann 1:00:26
Okay, so you can you can find the book at broken to brilliant.com, that'll take you right to the, to the site. And you can contact me through my website, Gary buckman.com. And it's bc k ma n two ns. Fantastic, Gary,

Alex Ferrari 1:00:43
thank you for your story. Thank you for putting it on paper finally and on E book and getting it out there into the world. And I hope that it inspires people around the world to understand that they can change the circumstance no matter how dire it might be. So thank you so much for being on the show.

Gary Buckmann 1:01:01
Well, thank you, Alex. And thank you for doing what you do in the world. And thank you for spreading the word. And thank you for your support. In my early days, when I was struggling with the book,

Alex Ferrari 1:01:11
my pleasure, my friend, I hope Gary story is an inspiration to you in your life, for you to understand that sometimes when the bad things quote unquote, bad things happen to us in life, or we're struggling in our lives. If we look at it, as things are not happening to us, but happening for us, it changes the perspective of what is happening to you, and you changes the way you look at it. The toughest times in my life have also been moments of my life that I've grown the most as a person as a soul. And it is what makes me who I am. And I would not take back any of those negative, quote unquote bad things that happened to me. And I hope Gary story inspires you in your life as well. Now if you want to do a deeper dive into everything we spoke about in this episode, as well as getting a link on how to get a hold of Gary and read his amazing book broke into brilliant, just head over to next level soul.com Ford slash 001. And don't forget to subscribe and leave a positive review on whatever platform you are listening on. It really helps to show out a lot and remember to trust the journey. It is there to teach you. I'll see you next time.


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