What Vedic Astrology Say About Humanity’s Near Future with Dr. Katy Jane

Alex Ferrari 0:00
And how did they know about the planets?

Dr. Katy Jane 0:02
Exactly.

Alex Ferrari 0:03
Because we're talking about Sumerian times. There's not a lot of telescopes back then.

Dr. Katy Jane 0:07
They've ruined it for a lot of people. And I'm glad that you used the word science, because Jyotisha, which is the Sanskrit word for Vedic Astrology, really refers to the science of consciousness. So when you know what your dharma is, your highest life's purpose, your destiny, then you can use your free will to consciously participate in it. So all of us are given a default position, a default understanding of ourselves, if people don't understand it as a spiritual opportunity, then it's a mass mental health crisis. But now humanity, through AI, is moving to that very state. It's such a mass awakening that it requires a lot of spiritual teachers to meet the demand the power of our free will is best applied in where we put our attention.

Alex Ferrari 1:25
Now, before we jump into this episode, if this conversation resonates with you, please like subscribe and share this with whoever you feel that needs to hear it. Your support helps us keep bringing this information out into the world and helps us awaken this planet. Thank you. I'd like to welcome to the show Dr. Katy Jane, how you doing Dr. Katy?

Dr. Katy Jane 1:49
I'm absolutely thrilled to be on Next Level Soul. I've been a fan for such a long time, so thank you so much for having me on.

Alex Ferrari 1:57
Oh, thank you so much for being here. Thank you for the kind words and thank you for making it to Next Level Soul Studios. I appreciate it.

Dr. Katy Jane 2:03
I'm really happy to be here.

Alex Ferrari 2:05
So you are an astrologer, yes, but you lean towards the Vedic side.

Dr. Katy Jane 2:10
I am a Vedic astrologer, which is otherwise known as a jyotishi. A jyotishi in Sanskrit. A jyotishi is it's a little bit different than what we think of as astrology. You know, so astrology we we sometimes associate with fatalism or prediction, superstition, even spiritual bypassing.

Alex Ferrari 2:32
What is spiritual bypassing?

Dr. Katy Jane 2:33
Well, like everything that's going wrong in my life is because of Mercury Retrograde, for example.

Alex Ferrari 2:39
Thank you for bringing this up. I want to talk about something really quick before we dive in, all right, with astrology, because astrology does get a bad rap.

Dr. Katy Jane 2:47
Yes, it does,

Alex Ferrari 2:48
You know, it's, you know, every day, oh, you're a cancer. Don't get out of the house today because, you know, so it does get a bad rap. But the more I've kind of dived into astrology and various forms or schools of astrology, whether it be Vedic or Chinese or Western or, you know, whatever they might be, it is a science more than it is a stupid superstition or Yeah, but as opposed to what they do in the newspapers, that's how old I am before they used to do in the newspapers or in magazines. You're like your daily horoscope. Is this your daily horoscope? Is that they kind of ruined it for a lot of people. In their mind,

Dr. Katy Jane 3:30
They've ruined it for a lot of people. And I'm glad that you used the word science, because Jyotisha, which is the Sanskrit word for Vedic Astrology, really refers to the science of consciousness. Jyoti refers to that part of our mind that is the pure witness, the seer. So Jyotisha is a lot like the observer effect in quantum physics. So by knowing your inner imprint, which is given to you at birth. According to this science, all of us are imprinted beings by the planets and stars in their positions when we're born. And that's just a mind blowing concept in and of itself, of course, and it has a historical development that comes from that, but knowing your imprint cultures, your perception of reality. So when you know what your dharma is, your highest life's purpose, your destiny, then you can use your free will to consciously participate in it. So all of us are given a default position, a default understanding of ourselves, like from our parents, our culture, our education, and it's sort of like the passcode that you get when you get a new software. It's complicated.

Alex Ferrari 5:00
Here, but we are the hardware. So there's two different things, so if I may, so what you're saying is that our hardware is what we can't control, meaning that what sex we're born in, what family we're born in, what time we were born in, can't control here, controlled on the other side when we built it all and built the blueprint, but that's kind of the hardware that we're set up with. But the imprint that you're talking about is kind of like the software of where this being is is destined to kind of go, but how we get there is truly up to us. As far as these kind of mile markers of things that will happen to us throughout our life. We'll meet this person. We will be in this industry. We will live in this country. Does that make sense?

Dr. Katy Jane 5:43
I would actually flip that. I would say that we're born with the hardware, that we have a particular imprint, we have a particular destiny, we have a particular life curriculum, okay? And we call this our dharma, which is our highest life purpose. And karma are all of those repeating lessons that we undergo. And if you live long enough, you realize that the same things keep happening to us over and over again, like we don't have to go through every single thing there is to go through in life. We're confined to a particular set of experiences. So I would call that our hardware. But our free will is how we program, how we how we use our our vision. Jyotisha means the eye of the Veda, or the eye of wisdom. So it's how we see ourselves that creates our reality. This is the observer effect, and this is why Jyotisha belongs to science more than superstition. It's the science of how to use our free will. And the only free will we really have is where we put our attention, what we choose to focus on, will bring forth that reality. So what your Vedic birth chart gives you is a map of your highest potential in this life. So you can use that perception to either align with the default position, the conditioning, the criticisms we've received, the flawed self, or we can align with where our path is leading us to, what is our souls evolution, and consciously use our thoughts, speech and our action to enact that higher outcome

Alex Ferrari 7:36
When you're saying that We have a the fatalism aspect of astrology, where people are like, Oh, I guess this is just my destiny. I have to do this, or I have to do that. But when someone discovers what their their true purpose is, have you in your work kind of come across where I don't want to be an actor, I don't want to be a scientist, I don't want to be that's what you're telling me, but I don't want to do that. Do you find that there's a pushback on what, when they discover what there is, or is there? Kind of like, Oh, finally, okay, now I can get to work. Or do you get both?

Dr. Katy Jane 8:14
No, actually, very much. The latter, good. The former is what we tend to inherit from our conditioning, our upbringing. So for example, I have a client, and this isn't her real name, but her name is, yeah, her name is Yukiko, and she always felt that she was an artist. She was naturally gifted from a child, but her parents, you know, refused to acknowledge that as a serious path. And so when it came time to call it for college and she wanted to go to art school, they were like, No, no way. And she ended up becoming an accountant.

Alex Ferrari 8:58
Oh, geez. Like, nothing against accountants, nothing against nothing.

Dr. Katy Jane 9:02
If it's your dharma,

Alex Ferrari 9:04
If it like, I know people who love numbers like, that's their that's their thing, that's their bliss as an artist to be thrown into because I'm an artist as well, to be thrown into them, that kind of, it just drives me.

Dr. Katy Jane 9:18
Yeah. So, yeah. So she was very unsatisfied, and she felt invisible her whole life. And like she came to see me, actually, because she had a turning point moment when somebody bumped into her on the street and said, oh, sorry, I didn't see you. And she felt like, yes, nobody sees me in my life. And so she came to me and we looked at her moon sign, which was Rohini. And Rohini is the sign of the artist. It's a it's the creative, it's the the one who sees the world through rose colored glasses. And so she took that to heart, and she was, she was near retirement, so she quit her job, and she started painting John. Was for herself, but it caught on so much that she ended up being able to have a career as an artist after her parents had told her, you'll never make a living as an artist. So I mean, this happens all the time in the work that I do, because we when we hear, you know, our imprint, especially our moon sign, which shows our souls journey over lifetimes. It's it should be very familiar, and it is for most people, unless they have something very strange going on in their chart or they're not giving their right birth time, but but that imprint isn't me telling them who they are. It's them recognizing, oh, yeah, that's that's who I was born to be. That's what my destiny is, and I always knew it, and that that's the aha moment, which In Sanskrit we call Jyoti. Jyoti is like the spark that changes the darkness forever. The match of the the the light of the match Once lit, that changes the darkness forever as Victor Turner said.

Alex Ferrari 11:07
Something very important, though, this person, Eriko, she was near retirement age, so she spent the majority of her life doing something that she was not. Hated doing it hated doing, which I'm assuming a few people listening or watching have gone through this, or know somebody who's gone through this, true. But then she picked up at retirement age, yeah, and she fulfilled what she was here to do. Is it never too late to figure this because, I mean, because she could have been from 18, an artist, that's right, and she could have, and that could have been a completely different life for her, different people. Probably married someone different, it would have just been a different world. But So from your point of view, first of all, is never too late? Is it? Is it never too late? And secondly, um, is this a failed life? Because she didn't pick up, because we're talking, let's say 30 years that was not wasted, but not on the path. It was the rocky side path where the paved one was right next to it, and she didn't jump on that one. I'm asking. It's just curiosity, like, is that technically a failed is she gonna have to come back and do it again? We go deep here. I'm sorry.

Dr. Katy Jane 12:28
Will she have to come back? Well, that I don't know, because I don't have my ear pressed against the wall of God's office, right? But, um, historically, from the from the work, yeah? But no, it's absolutely not too late ever for waking up. You know, waking up happens on its own. You know, we can't plant a seed and keep digging it up, you know, to see if it sprouts roots yet, like I did when I was eight, and I had, you know, a bean sprout I kept like, see, did it sprout the roots yet? Did it sprout the roots yet? No, we have to wait, let the let the seed sprout. And that may take us lifetimes. It's and yet it happens instantaneously. And what's really, I think, fascinating about Vedic Astrology, which is a little different than Tropical Western Astrology is that we actually can trace the exact timing of somebody's life experience. This is called the Dasha system. So explain, yeah, can you so I mean, without getting too techno, speak about it, but basically, when you're born, your moon is in a particular star constellation, and the moon channels the imprint of that star to your consciousness. I mean that that idea is very mind blowing, and this is when the hardcore scientists exit the building whenever we talk about astrology, because how do you prove that? And yet, you know, I've been doing this work for 25 years, and it's uncanny. The qualities that are assigned to that star get imprinted into your consciousness, and that's who you become. And yet, there is also the element of timing in that connection. So the moon determines the clock, starting from the moment you take your first breath to your last breath, the sequence of timing according to a planetary system of calculation when you'll go through what you'll go through, and that is really mind blowing. So I could look, in the case of Yukiko, my client, why she spent 30 years there's a reason, obviously, in a in a in a career she hated. But yet, I mean, just because she hated it doesn't mean that it didn't contain some really powerful and important life lessons that ultimately led her to discovering her Dharma, her highest life's purpose, right?

Alex Ferrari 15:14
Because if she was supposed to be an artist at 18, she would have been born into a family that supported art, correct? And would have just pushed her right into so there's a reasoning why she had that set of parents in that timing and everything exactly when she was born, like in very different times and different everything exactly. So there must have been a reason.

Dr. Katy Jane 15:32
Plus, we're not isolated beings, and we come as a collective. We come with all of our relations. We come with all our ancestral karmas and our community karmas and even our national karmas, like all of us who are born in a particular country, we all share a similar destiny. So we can't see people only, you know, in a in a vacuum or an isolated incident in their life. We have to see them as part of a whole system.

Alex Ferrari 15:36
Let me ask you, Katy, with you just threw a bunch of things here out there, so let's say, okay, so you're born on on this month, this year, this time, and the moon says this thing, cool. We now that's one path, but now we got to toss on karma. Now we got to toss on ancestral karma. Now we have to talk to us on country karma and all these other things that affect the how do you keep it like to get it's a lot. This is a lot of information that can not variables. There's a lot of variables here that can move this train or this truck in a very different way.

Dr. Katy Jane 16:41
Oh, yes. Oh. It gets even more complicated than that, which is why you can't really study this system intellectually, even though people do. But you can tell when you have your chart read by somebody who has a very intellectual understanding of this system. They're trying to keep it all in their mind. You won't understand anything about yourself that way. Jyotisha is a system that connects you with your deep inner knowing. So what's mind blowing about the Vedic rishis, the seers that cognize, the Vedas and cognize this system of self understanding. They did not have high powered telescopes. How did they know about Arcturus, for example, or any of the stars that are so remote that we cannot see them with a naked eye, and yet they included them as the reference points of the Vedic Zodiac. They knew them because of their inner state of realization. They did not see themselves as separate from the entire universe. Sri Aurobindo has this beautiful quote about the Vedic understanding of our interrelatedness with the universe. He says, from near to far everything can be known from within yourself. So Jyotisha arises Vedic Astrology, quote, unquote, arises through a state of realization of of a mind expanded state of being that understands the connection with all souls within the one soul that we all share.

Alex Ferrari 18:37
So it seems like they were not tapped into the three dimensional world they were tapped into their internal world, or the, what this, what the, what Yogananda called self realization. Yes, he they were at a deeper level. So when they're at a deeper level, they're tapped into, I like to call it the cloud, but the spiritual cloud, which is the Akashic records. And if that information, they're tapped into, of course, they would understand where these other planets were, even though there was no physical, three dimensional way for them to know this knowledge, because it just didn't exist.

Dr. Katy Jane 19:09
That's correct. And I love that you called it a cloud. I just immediately thought of St John of the Cross in the Cloud of Unknowing, and I and especially that word of unknowing. So you know, we have this discriminative mind that is separative. You know, I know that I'm short because somebody's tall, or I know that I'm tall because an ant is very small. And, you know, so everything is relative. Everything can be measured, which is Maya. Maya literally means to measure that part of our mind is not the deepest part of our knowing. Our deepest part of our knowing is actually our unknowing, which is in Sanskrit called Vedanta, the end of knowing,

Alex Ferrari 19:55
And that's what scares a lot of people when you go down that road, because it's something that for like scientific minds, they can't, they can't wrap their mind around it. So if they can't wrap their mind around it, they're scared of it, or they just even if there's, even if there's proof, they'll try to walk till they'll try to reason their way out of it. Because, I mean, there's so many stories of Yogananda, for example, who we both are very large fans of their stories in Autobiography of a Yogi that, yes, make no no logical sense, but there is historical and even footage of things that's right happening by Yogi's and and Tibetan monks and masters of all walks of life doing things, I mean, Christ being one of the more popular ones here in the West, right? It was a great yogi,

Dr. Katy Jane 20:50
That's right, knowing before knowing. And it's, it's, I think, really apt that you brought up, you know, the scientific mind. And but also where we're heading is beyond this. Actually, you know, you mentioned all the great saints, Paramahansa Yogananda, Babaji, Jesus, Christ, all of these beings who had access to this higher state of mind, the Vedic rishis, but now humanity, through AI, is moving to that very state.

Alex Ferrari 21:29
Interesting. What do you mean by that?

Dr. Katy Jane 21:30
Well, so AI can replicate our cognitive mind. It's getting there, it's getting there, and it will definitely get there.

Alex Ferrari 21:40
Oh, there's, there's, we will be in the holodeck soon.

Dr. Katy Jane 21:43
We are going to be in the holodecks and, and, and especially, you know, in the year of 2026, which we'll discuss a bit of the astrology ahead. The workforce is going to be greatly impacted by AI replacing what we can do with our minds, which is a huge crisis on a lot of levels, I mean economically, but also in terms of purpose. You know, if I can't be an engineer, if I can't define myself that way, then who am I? And that question arises en masse, especially 2026 it begins that question of, who am I? And that is terrifying for those who don't have access to any kind of understanding of the mind beyond thinking

Alex Ferrari 22:40
That is, that is my mind blowing. It makes so much sense, because in 2020 was stage 1.

Dr. Katy Jane 22:48
2020 was stage one.

Alex Ferrari 22:49
That was like everyone stopped and said, What am I doing? That's right, we had to stop. What am I doing? Who am I? Do I love this person that's next to me. Do I want to get out of this relationship? To want to get out of this job? Do I want to move to another play? It forced everybody for a little self reflection, that's right. And it started this journey of this whole thing. We launched in 2021 so it was very shortly thereafter, is when we launched next level soul. But I love what you're saying, not because I love what's going to happen, but it is what it is that AI will replace a lot of people. There's no doubt it's already it's already happening. Yeah, there's no doubt about it. But then I never thought about the internal crisis, yeah? Because if you can't, I remember growing up, I associated myself as being a film filmmaker, film director, film director, and whenever my career wasn't going well, my life was just a total wreck because I could the thing I identified was was not being successful because I was identifying with something outside of myself. That's right, till I finally understood, no, no, I'm not a filmmaker. It's one of the things I do, right? That's not who I am.

Dr. Katy Jane 23:59
That's not who you are

Alex Ferrari 24:00
Exactly. So this is going to force people to go, I'm not an engineer, I'm not an accountant, I'm not a customer service rep, I'm not these are things that are going to be taken out. I mean, I was, I was in LA and here in Austin, downtown, driverless cars are everywhere.

Dr. Katy Jane 24:17
Robotic bistros I saw at the Austin airport,

Alex Ferrari 24:21
Robotic, oh, there's robotic baristas there. There's all it's it's starting. It's starting. I mean, we will have Rosie from the Jetsons in the house soon, yeah. I mean, we will. I mean it we are. It's not, I mean, I've seen some of it already, and it's kind of terrifying. But this is not anything new. The only thing new is the scale of it, because when cars came in, it displaced an entire industry of people who had to deal with horses and horseshoes and the little lashes that got made them to go, and who built the wheel wagons and all. It knocked out an industry, that's right, but then a new industry was born. But. Was a small group of people. It wasn't a global issue, which is what AI is going to do,

Dr. Katy Jane 25:05
It's what it is. But you know, when we look at all the major innovations in, say, communication, they are all accompanied by a great leap in consciousness, beginning with the invention of writing back in the Sumerian civilization, we have the birth of astrology, the connection between as is above so is below. That accompanied the birth of writing. We have the invention of the printing press. And we have the Reformation. We have Galileo coming out of that. We have a whole mind blowing expansion of who we think we are. Then comes the fountain pen. Imagine how upset the scribes must have felt when everybody could write right, when everyone could read, and everybody could read, and and then the typewriter, um, you know, right, it's, it's all. It all accompanies a great leap of consciousness. 1960 the first PC came out. And, I mean, it filled a whole room, I think, the mini quote, unquote computer. But then look at what happened 1960 to 1970 Oh, passive, you know, massive expansion in consciousness. We got to the moon, all that we went to the moon. And now from 2020, to 2030, we have the dawn of AI, which, you know, everyone can start freaking out that, Oh, my God, my job is going to be made redundant, like the scribes who are upset about the printing press or the pen. But what happens is humanity leaps like when Yogananda came in 1920 1920 was a huge year. Radio was invented, right broadcasting suddenly became available. The reason why he was able to spread his message of yoga through the whole world was because people could listen to his recordings. So AI is a tool. It's not the Boogeyman. We we are going to a deeper part of our mind, we are becoming one with the Creator. Actually, we when you're when you're using chat GPT as a tool, for example, for writing, it's not that it writes a book for you. You are. You are the creator of those ideas. It's very different from being the one who actually does it to the thinker behind it, or the feeler behind it,

Alex Ferrari 25:55
It would be, it's kind of like, well, I mean, it's kind of like art in that way. Yes, we could sit there and draw a painting of you, or we could have ai do it right now, there's two very different energies and vibes to it, and you can kind of go back and forth on it. For me, like even in the film industry, AI, is it's terrifying. Well, the film industry in general is dying and hurting very badly, because just everything just is shifting. That's right. I mean, talking about displacement of hundreds of 1000s of people, the film industry is shifting. Everything's changing now, kids, you know, who are 12 years old, are making millions on Tiktok and on YouTube, right? And that opens up a whole other can of worms, like, have that kind of power, that have attention that young, yeah, you know, how do you deal with it? So there's a lot of shifting, a lot of things happening. And I think, I mean, I've been, you know, I was, I was born in 74 so I've been around for a few things. You remember pay phones? I remember pay phones. I remember not having a remote control on the television. Me being the remote controller. Yeah, all that kind of stuff. So our generation was the first generation was the first generation who knew what it was like before the internet. But then we also embraced the internet. So we have, as opposed to the millennials who really didn't, they heard stories about the rotary phone. They're like, why is home alone a thing? Like, they just call or, like, that whole movie doesn't work other than in that time period.

Dr. Katy Jane 25:58
That's right, they don't get it.

Alex Ferrari 26:02
They can't, like, I saw the meme the other days, like the plot of home alone today I left the home text, I'm at home. Great. We'll be right there. Done. That's the end of the end of the movie. That's, that's done. It's over. So it's, it's a really interesting thing, but I love this conversation because it's really setting the stage of what's coming. That's right for people, and it's not to be fearful. Listen, if it's, if it's your job on the on the cutting block, yeah, of course you're going to be fearful, because, let's say you've been doing something for 30 years, that's right. But you know what? There was a guy who. Was like the best lash maker, the little lash that you would hit the horse with to make him go for the buggy, yeah. And that's it. There was probably generations of that, yeah. And all of a sudden it becomes a novelty, yeah. And his whole world shut down. And if you go throughout history, you just start seeing again and again and again company. Look at Sears, look at Woolworth, look at Bed Bath. And these are massive companies that just couldn't survive right in these massive so it happens to everybody and everything. It's just that this is just at such a fast and large scale that we've never

Dr. Katy Jane 30:38
We've never seen before

Alex Ferrari 30:40
In every industry, every single industry, right?

Dr. Katy Jane 30:43
It is. And if people don't understand it as a spiritual opportunity, then it's a mass mental health crisis. And this is why it's a little different between we're having a repeat of 1960 to 1970 astrologically speaking, yeah, and you know. But the difference is, 1960 to 1970 was really all about the sage on the sate at the sage on the stage, in terms of gurus coming from India, India and Rishi, The Beatles, yeah, all of those. They were sages on the stage now it's guides on the side, because it's such a mass awakening that it requires a lot of spiritual teachers to meet the demand, a lot of healers. A lot of you know, can't be just the one. Intuitives, yeah, it can't just be the one anymore. It's now led by the many who have, like yourself, who've had this awakening when you realize, oh, I'm not a film maker, only that that is a profound realization that has informed your life and and directed you to do this kind of work, which is incredible. I mean, this is your dharma expressed in in a in a really effective way that's meeting the times. So is the same for everybody else, but they don't know that it's a spiritual opportunity.

Alex Ferrari 32:18
That's a beautiful way of looking at it, because most of us, when we lose our job or break up with our significant other or a tragedy happens, we always look at it, most of the times, look at it at the negative point of view. And trust me, when you go through those things, and I've gone through I'm sure you have as well, it's very difficult to go. Hold on everybody. I know I just lost my job, but this might be a spiritual opportunity, yeah, but I can't pay the rent, but it's okay, but it's a spiritual so there's that balance.

Dr. Katy Jane 32:48
Well, yeah, I mean, and I don't want to be a spiritual bypass or, I mean, let's be honest, no one comes to God after winning the lottery. I mean,

Alex Ferrari 32:58
No one's looking for Jesus. When you're in the Amalfi coast on a yacht.

Dr. Katy Jane 33:02
So I don't want to downplay the the the difficulty of this, you know,

Alex Ferrari 33:09
Well, I think also, and this is just from my own personal experience, is, and I'm assuming you probably went through something similar, where things have to get so bad in your life that you're forced to there's no other option out, whether you either have to find a spiritual path out, or you have to do something you've never done before. You get so uncomfortable. Yes, say you are forced to search for something outside of yourself or within yourself better, but you're forced to do that. 2020 was the first time the whole planet was forced to do this. And now 2026 which I keep hearing, is going to be an interesting year. Yeah, what is going to happen is, I think, is another major thing that's going to happen in this next coming year. 2025 has been no joke. It's been rough.

Dr. Katy Jane 34:00
No, it was a heavy year.

Alex Ferrari 34:03
It totally, it started off with, I mean, yeah, and then all the other and then the wars, and then, I mean, it's just

Dr. Katy Jane 34:11
Ice coming in, yeah, taking people out.

Alex Ferrari 34:14
I mean, it's pretty it's pretty amazing. It's, it's pretty amazing. And it's been a rough year. It's been,

Dr. Katy Jane 34:21
It's been a rough year, until October, and then, you know, we're starting to see signs of what's coming in 2026

Alex Ferrari 34:29
So tell me, for astrologically, from the Vedic perspective,

Dr. Katy Jane 34:32
What's happening so numerologically, 2026 is a one year. 2025 was nine, and nine in Vedic numerology refers to Guru. The word guru means teacher, Divine Teacher, but it also means heavy, and there were a lot of heavy things that went on from day one of. Of 2025 because astrologically speaking, Mars was really in a bad kind of state for most of the year. And Mars refers to war, violence, conflicts, fire, these kinds of things that we experienced. 2026 is a one year, and one refers to self, and the question, Who am I? And that's why I'm bringing it up, because 2026 is when we have to turn within and look for answers that are deeper than our cognitive mind. The Good News of 2026, is that Mars, which in the year prior, had all this potential to create difficulty, is in a state of combustion, which means he's weakened. So that weakening of Mars, Mars refers to the workforce. So there's a weakening in the workforce, and that we discussed, but it's ultimately leading to the month of June, when the planet Jupiter goes exalted. So right now, as we're speaking from October until beginning of December, we're having a sneak peek of what 2026 holds. And you know, whatever your politics are, it's pretty remarkable the election of Zoran Mamdani as the mayor of New York, young, idealistic, that big smile, that that optimism, that sense of all, all world, family, even. I mean, I still can't get my mind around that meeting between these two, the President and Zora Mamdani. I mean, that just was so unlikely, even though probably political theater, but still, it's it shows the kind of takeover by the youth, which is Jupiter.

Alex Ferrari 37:15
Well, that's what happened in the 60s,

Dr. Katy Jane 37:17
And that's what happened in the 60s, except that this youth is a little different than the hippies of the 60s. This youth has the impact of the planet Saturn, which makes them very practical down to earth, even a little conservative, even a little bit grounded ground. They're very grounded because they've had a lot of setbacks in their upbringing this Gen Z, a lot of setbacks, and at the same time, they are the hope. They are the future. So we're, we're going to see the youth really come out in big force in 2026 especially after June. Jupiter is the planet of enlightenment, of spiritual expansion, and we get this from June on. So even though up until June the there's a lot of uncertainty. There's a lot of problems with jobs, especially between February and March, as as there's a big stack of planets affecting corporations, big layoffs coming. All of those problems are there, but we have to direct people's attention to something more hopeful. That's what we're trying to do, and that's why, you know, somehow Babaji has orchestrated me to come on the show so we can have this discussion.

Alex Ferrari 39:00
As you can see, I'm a fan, I'm a big fan of babaji it's, it's, it's fascinating, because it's, it sounds like it's not going to only be a an opportunity for us all to change, but there's, there's going to be such massive not only in the job market and things, but it just seems, and I've been talking about this for years now, that these systems are all coming crumbling down. Systems are coming crumbling down. I mean, they're not, they're not sustaining, you know, I've said this, and I'm not, I'm not a psychic, but we're overdue for an economic downturn, like a real Yeah. I mean, we haven't had one since oh eight, and we usually had one every seven or eight years, because it was 99 was the bubble. 2001 to get another little one, the 2008 and then 2008 was a massive almost brought the. World to its knees, but we've we're late. Yeah, we're way overdue. So something is coming in that world as well, just economically, historically, that just makes sense. So there's things that are coming that I feel that the next big, I've said this before, the next big economic downturn will basically wipe out the weak in the company, wise, companies and institutions that will not be able to withstand, withstand the storm 2020. Was a big one, and it knocked and it knocked out, and it knocked out a lot of traditional companies and systems and started showing cracks.

Dr. Katy Jane 40:40
That is correct. It's also the age of the entrepreneur. So when we look back at the Great Depression, oh yeah, when there were so many people standing in the bread lines, there were a few who rose up and

Alex Ferrari 41:01
Built some of the best

Dr. Katy Jane 41:03
Companies that that created the world that is now declining. And Napoleon Hill, of course, wrote about this and think and grow rich, and he chronicled all the great entrepreneurs of the time, Rockefeller and Henry Ford, all of them, and now we experience a similar thing. So when there is such a mass economic devastation, it is the entrepreneurs always who rise up and invent what we didn't think we needed, but we actually need. So there is a great turning toward creativity, and that's also related to the one year, 2026 being a one year, which is, I can myself actualize. I can bring forth the dream that's always been within me, but I was too afraid of losing my job. Now I have to do it right,

Alex Ferrari 42:04
Like we said before, it's because you're forced,

Dr. Katy Jane 42:06
As you're forced to do it. But there's also some other things that may be coming that we can't see, which some of us have been hoping for for a long time, like universal free energy, for example. I mean, the one of the reasons why we're rats on a wheel is because of oil, because we're, you know, our economy is driven by a model that is clearly not sustainable for the future, and that is going to run out. But we also know, some of us know, that there is such a thing as universal free energy. And imagine if we could all tap into that. We wouldn't have to work like we work.

Alex Ferrari 42:44
You're absolutely right.

Dr. Katy Jane 42:45
So it's not I mean, the transition is problematic.

Alex Ferrari 42:51
Well, that's the thing. And if we would have all gotten this, it's interesting, because in our life, our life path, the universe, our guides tell us and hint at things until it gets so bad that you're forced to do it. I talk about the whisper, the tap, then the sledgehammer, and humanity's path is the same way. If we all collectively would said, you guys, we all need to get off of, off of oil. We need to get we need to work on this free energy, some something. We need to come up with, something that's going to be different. And if we all, all of us got together, said we're all, you know, going to do this, if we all decided to do it, we would do it right. But because there are powers that be that want to maintain their power, maintain the revenue, maintain the riches, there's been blocks. Well, then this is going to happen. That's right, regardless if you guys want it or not. And if we don't, then we'll do something like a pandemic, yeah, and that just knocks everything out. And or we'll do something else that, and it's going to be really rough, so you could do it smoothly. It's up to you. It's just like our own life path, like you want to be an artist. Okay, here it is. Okay. I know your parents told you to be an accountant, but in those 30 years, I'm sure she's been getting slaps and slaps and slaps and slaps and slaps to the point where she finally, yeah, jumped off and she's like, Oh, I can breathe now, yes, I think humanity is going to have to go, and that's what we're all going through, because we're stubborn,

Dr. Katy Jane 44:25
Stubborn, and, you know, scared and scared, and people control resources, and, yeah, so, I mean, there's all of that. So evolution is never an easy path. I mean, it's one of those words that looks really good on paper, like transformation, but the truth is, is that it it's a traumatic event, usually, that inspires our collective growth. I mean, the 60s, it was the Vietnam War era. Um. You know, so we, we have this catalyst. In fact, in the Vedic tradition, there's a goddess that rules evolution, and she is called niriti. Niriti means disorder, chaos, Goddess Kali, destruction, endings, which is a crisis, but as the Chinese symbol for crisis, it's also an opportunity. Crisis and opportunity are the same.

Alex Ferrari 45:29
It always is, isn't it? Yeah, you lose your job. I remember I was fired from one of my only two jobs that I was ever actually were on staff somewhere, and I started my business shortly thereafter, correct? Because of that, but if I wouldn't have been fired, I don't know how much longer I would have stayed in that dead end job, because it was paying me well at the time. But then I took a room like, No, I'm going to start my own, my own, my company.

Dr. Katy Jane 45:55
That's right, and that, and look at where that's brought you. I mean, as an employee, what would you have done with your life? Yeah, you know. So there is a great opportunity, if people look at it as I can make my own thing happen, which is the energy of the year ahead.

Alex Ferrari 46:13
So as you were talking about, when you were talking about Jupiter and Mercury and Mars and all that kind of stuff, and it's the imprinting on us for 2026 you know, there was a voice in the back of my head. I'm like, This sounds crazy. And I say that with all the love in the world, but, but as you were saying it, I'm like, you know, my logical brains going, This is insane. And I say that now because there are people listening right now. Who are going, This is insane.

Dr. Katy Jane 46:42
Well, how we can be connected to,

Alex Ferrari 46:45
Yeah, like how a planet's energy at a certain time period in the cycle of its rotation around this sun can set off a chain of events I know that are connected not only, but it's not just Jupiter. It's also what Mercury is doing. It's also what the moon is doing at the specific time that you're doing, and it's imprinting on you, like it. I get why the scientists run out the room.

Dr. Katy Jane 47:08
They do. They don't run out of the room. They run out of the building. They're just gone. They're gone. They're gone.

Alex Ferrari 47:14
And I get it. But there is the thing that's magical about astrology that I've learned. Because originally, before I had anybody on the show talking about any form of astrology, I was associated with horoscopes. And, like, I knew I was a cancer and right, and I knew what my sign was, but I didn't know the depths of, like, what moon I was under, what different that then. And I don't know, I don't remember a lot of it. I've been told my sign and my path and my chart 1000 times. But there's certain things that were in it that like, oh well, you're this and you're this, and you were born to the year of, I think the Chinese I'm year of the tiger. But there's another level of there's so much it gets overwhelming. But the more you look at it, it's repeatable. It's literally a science, because you can predict specifically certain things happening again and again and again,

Dr. Katy Jane 48:09
Yes, and and this has been recorded, right? So, yes, when we, when we try to explain the causal relationship between, say, Saturn and the things that happen in my life, the delays or the setbacks that happen in our life, there's no scientific way that we can measure that, given the kind of science that we have. If we have a quantum view of the universe, then we know everything can be known from within ourselves. And this is the basis of astrology. And it goes back to the ancient Sumerians, Babylonians, who made this first connection between as is above, so is below. And they composed the first work of astrological connections like this, how what happens above, how it influences below, in a text called the Enuma Anu Enlil. And if you ever go to London, you can see it in the British Museum. It's all these stone tablets that are recorded over centuries, uh, making the connection mostly between eclipses, but also planetary movements and what happens on Earth.

Alex Ferrari 49:31
And how did they know about the planets?

Dr. Katy Jane 49:33
Exactly,

Alex Ferrari 49:35
Because we're talking about Sumerian times, there's not a lot of telescopes back then.

Dr. Katy Jane 49:38
Exactly, how did they not only know about them, but how could they predict the eclipses? How could they, you know, how could they predict the movements of the planets? It's it's really mind blowing, if you don't have a quantum understanding of the universe.

Alex Ferrari 49:58
There was when I was in. In Mexico was out of my out the Chichen Itza, oh, yeah, place, great, amazing place. But I discovered that the Mayans didn't. They didn't look up. They looked down because they had big puddles of water as mirrors, much smarter than our neck or lying down. They looked at and that's how they studied they they studied the movements of the stars, and I guess they recorded them, yes and over, over generations.

Dr. Katy Jane 50:29
Oh, yeah. So the yes, the Mayan civilization is also one of the greats for this correlation of as above, so is below. I've also been to those pyramids, and what's fascinating is I hired the guide, and I asked him, Well, why did they build this? And he said, Well, we needed to know when to to plant corn and reap corn. And I said, no way. There's no, pretty big thing. Why do you need that to know about agriculture? From the Vedic perspective, the invention of the Zodiac actually allows for calculation of trillions of years that repeat the cyclical nature of the cyclical nature of the universe and and we can actually trace it according to the movement of the moon through 27 constellations, we can calculate four ages of time that go through various phases and functions and creation and dissolution over trillions of years that then repeat, why? What was the purpose? And from the Vedic perspective, it's to trace the evolution of the soul's journey. So just by watching what repeats, and they recorded, the Vedic texts have recorded like the Enuma anun and Leal from the Babylonian civilization, they have recorded everything that's happened and put them in myth form. So through the stories that repeat, along with the calculation of time, we can identify where you are on your soul's evolution back to Unity, consciousness or self realization or enlightenment.

Alex Ferrari 52:27
So you literally can, you can track our souls evolution?

Dr. Katy Jane 52:30
Yes.

Alex Ferrari 52:30
How Tell me about that? Oh, because, because I could understand the one life I get, the one life I was born at this time. This is supposed to happen. But how do you track my soul's evolution over the course of

Dr. Katy Jane 52:44
I know, I know it's I'm sorry for the site. They probably stopped listening by now.

Alex Ferrari 52:50
I know. And then the other thing is, too, we're only talking about it from an earthly perspective, right? If you have the belief that your soul does also reincarnate in other realities, other planets in this massive, I mean, universe, how did the astrology work on another planet?

Dr. Katy Jane 53:07
Well, it's, you know, I mean, that's another question, but that that can be answered, because from the Vedic perspective, everything is a replica of itself. So we're not the only Earth. There are other Earth, multiverse, multiverse, right? But how does, how do we track the souls evolution over lifetimes, like I mentioned through the moon. Your moon shows you where you came from in the prior birth. So when I look at your Vedic birth chart, I can see the impressions that have come in from the past life.

Alex Ferrari 53:49
And when you say, you know the where you came in from your past life. Are we talking about timing? Are we talking about location? Are we talking about, like, what does that mean?

Dr. Katy Jane 53:59
TIming it has like impressions, aptitudes,

Alex Ferrari 54:05
But you wouldn't tell me, like, Oh, you were princes, you were in Egypt, and you were the one that cleaned up after Cleopatra.

Dr. Katy Jane 54:13
No, no, not necessarily that. It's more like themes.

Alex Ferrari 54:18
Okay, so you're an artist, or you're a general or you were this or that,

Dr. Katy Jane 54:22
Or it can also sometimes explain why you are going through certain things that you're going through right now, like so if I were to look at, you know, the example I gave you of my client, why was she stuck in that job for 30 years? We can see that she was probably paying off some karmic debt from a prior birth, and the chart would show what kind of debt that was by the placement of the planet. Suppose Saturn in her past, in her chart, that would refer to the prior birth. And what's cool, so it shows where you're coming from. Them, it will show what you're here to learn and master in this lifetime and where you're headed into the future birth. So your birth chart actually is threefold. It's past, present and future, which is holographic, it's all present in this exact moment. So Charles Dickens, you know, wrote about this in A Christmas Carol. Ghost of Christmas Past influences ghosts of Christmas present. Who has the opportunity to change Ghost of Christmas Future? So it's the same thing with your birth chart, you have the karmas that you're born with, and we can see what they are and their timing in your life, when they're all going to sprout, and what they're going to mean for you as they sprout.

Alex Ferrari 55:51
So you so when you say the soul's evolution, you're basically talking about the where we just came from, where we're going in the current life. But you're not able to, with this system, go back multiple lives,

Dr. Katy Jane 56:04
Not not in the sense of like a past life regression. We can just see what the themes, the impressions are, the karmas, the life lessons, the things that you're carrying with you in this birth.

Alex Ferrari 56:18
But you also have to be pretty evolved to accept certain things that come in so like, if you and I were having a conversation and you were reading me and reading my chart, and you're like, Alex, in this life, you're gonna, yeah, you're gonna. You're gonna be a year with a gangster making a $20 million movie, and he's gonna torture you for a year and threaten your life. You're paying off some karma here. I wouldn't have been able to accept that. Then this is that's not happening.

Dr. Katy Jane 56:46
But I'm so glad you brought that up, because this is exactly what astrologers do. That is wrong. Tell me so astrologers don't understand that. What happens when somebody's chart is being read is this is not a normal conversation. What happens is, for the first time in your life, you are listening to your story being told to you, rather than being in it. You're a passive witness, which you're a meditator. You understand what that is when we go into the witness state of our mind that is the most powerful place from where we create and this is quantum physics, the observer effect from that state of the seer, the seer, in the process of seeing, manifests that which is seen. So what the astrologers don't understand is that the person is in that state when they hear their chart being read, whether they recognize it or not, that part of you is awake and listening. So when you plant a idea in their mind, like I had an astrologer once tell me that I would never be happy with anything I do in my life, I even remember it. It's 30 years later, and that's the first thing I recall, because that deepest part of my mind latched a hold of that idea, and now it repeats. So I so because of that experience, I learned this about astrology, and I thought, well, what if, in that deepest part of the mind we plant something that aligns with their highest destiny, their evolutionary path. How would that change their outcome? So if I had seen your chart when you were about ready to go through this traumatic experience, I would not implant in your consciousness, the fear and the I would instead say this is going to give you an opportunity for this thing to happen that you can't see yet. So when this happens, keep your eye on the prize. See what the ultimate reason for this happening for you, and that changes everything, and that is the real purpose of astrology. Astrology is not a fatalistic thing. It's meant to help our souls evolve to the highest potential. What is the highest potential in the Vedic tradition? It's liberation, it's moksha. It's becoming one with the Creator. Enlightenment, self realization, which is what's happening with AI. We're becoming one with the Creator. So that's what the value of your chart is, to see, okay, where you've been, who you are now, and where you're going to put your attention on the highest outcome,

Alex Ferrari 59:44
And when you said where you've been, where you are and where you're going, that's where the ego, that's where the conditioning, that's where the programming comes in. Like, well, I don't want that, because I think you and I, both in our life, have wanted something very badly, and it didn't come out. It. Exactly the way we wanted it, because something better that's right shows up, you know, like this makes no sense to me. Yeah, why I'm here sitting talking to you makes absolutely no sense to me. I am just along for the ride. This was not a master plan by any stretch, and I started doing a little podcast. Then, yada yada yada, I launched this one, yada yada yada, we're here, but it's not something I could have ever even dreamed.

Dr. Katy Jane 1:00:29
Well, that's right, and you know, so we've all heard about the power of intention, sure, and I've always had a problem with the mainstream understanding of the power of intention. Because, you know, according to that, I should be able to have and do anything that I want, you know. So I'm five two, but I should be able to be a runway model

Alex Ferrari 1:00:53
I should be in the NBA,

Dr. Katy Jane 1:00:55
You know, exactly, but, but that's not going to happen. But instead, there's something that is meant for me. So in Sanskrit, the word for intention is sun kalpa sankalpa means to align with the natural way of things.

Alex Ferrari 1:01:14
That's that's very powerful, because I think a lot of us do exactly what you're saying. I, when I was growing up, wanted to be a wide receiver for the Miami Dolphins. I do not have the build to be a wide reason, nor do I have the physical attributes needed for me to be a wide receiver. And when I went to high school football, I realized that very quickly that I was like, block him. He's six, eight. What do you? What do you? I'm like, okay, apparently this is not for me, right? But we all kind of go through that. Originally, I wanted to the three things I wanted to be in my life was a priest. At first, interesting. First, first grade, I was introduced to a priest, and I just said, Oh, that seems interesting. He seems powerful. I want that astronaut. And then a storyteller, and you're all three in many ways, that's so weird. I'm an explorer of conscious, of consciousness. I am definitely in the spiritual side of things, maybe not the Catholic one, but spiritual side of things, and a storyteller, yes, and all of them came together. But it was so fascinating, because I never really, obviously, I said I wanted to be an astronaut, because I wanted to be in space. I wanted to see space. This is very likely that I will be able to do that in my lifetime.

Dr. Katy Jane 1:02:32
But you, but you explore cosmic themes constantly. Hence, I'm on your shoe.

Alex Ferrari 1:02:39
We're talking, I mean, we go deep into the rabbit holes of all these things, but it's fascinating how throughout life there are things that you want. I thought I wanted to be a singer. Sorry, it's a long story. Please don't ever look anything up. But because I didn't know, I was like, like, I want to kind of be in the entertainment business, but I didn't know, and that was what's presented to me. Learned a lot of lessons there, and then moved into the film world. But you want to be something, and then in the film world, I wanted to be this. I want to be this, and it didn't show up exactly the way I wanted it, but now it's shown up in this way, yeah, and only 30 years later do I realize, oh, so I'm supposed to bring this and this together, and that's why I spent so much time miserable. Many, for many years in the film industry, was very miserable, yeah, because I wasn't, I wasn't Steven Spielberg, which makes most filmmakers miserable, because most of them want to be right. Steven Spielberg, Ron Howard, Ron Howard, Steven Spielberg, James Cameron, Martin Scorsese, I mean, all of these guys. So you want to be that. And when that doesn't happen, you're just like, I mean, this is a thing that filmmakers do. We all kind of compare ourselves to our idols. So at 23 when you turn 23 you're like, well, Orson Welles did citizen. Kane at 23 I'm a failure. 27 Well, Steven Spielberg did Jaws at 27 I'm a failure, like George Lucas 31 you know, like, it's just, like, it just kept going until you, like, and now, now you're at the stage we're like, well, the colonel made KFC at 65 so they're still.

Dr. Katy Jane 1:04:17
Exactly, exactly and that is, that's what all of us do, and this is why we get miserable, right? Because we we don't know our own design, right?

Alex Ferrari 1:04:30
What's, what's where we're supposed to be aligned, correct? So when you're saying where we're aligned, me being a wide receiver, you being in the WNBA, not gonna happen, no matter how much we want it, right? You know, we can start training right now. Not gonna happen. It's not gonna happen. It's not gonna happen. So as soon as you kind of, I wouldn't say, put away childish things, because those are things that are not in your control. You being five, two is not in your control. Me not being able to be six, eight is not in my control, right? Yeah, so then you have to kind of accept, these are the cards I was dealt,

Dr. Katy Jane 1:05:05
That's right, and it's beautiful in and it is beautiful,

Alex Ferrari 1:05:09
And it's beautiful because it's perfect for me. Yep, I'm not supposed to be an NBA star. I'm not supposed to be an NFL star. I'm not supposed to go down those, those foot that, that that path, and once you accept that, you go, life becomes a lot nicer, a lot easier, a lot better, because you're flowing with what

Dr. Katy Jane 1:05:29
And more successful, you know, very much more much more successful. And, you know, people always ask me, you know, do you always share the good news like this? Does everybody have this kind of great path? And yes, everybody does have a great path. You know for themselves, we're exactly we're all children of God. All of us are ultimately reflections of this magnificent, omnipresent being. So all of us have magnificent lives. It's just the that we don't see them, and that's why we have to be aligned with a higher vision for ourselves,

Alex Ferrari 1:06:07
And that's why we bump around a lot, and that's why we get hurt so much, and that's why we have our we create miserable existences because exactly wanting things that are just not aligned with what what we're supposed to be doing, correct? Yeah, you know that's, that's why the the the lottery winners, that I'm fascinated with, lottery winners

Dr. Katy Jane 1:06:29
And and how they have, statistically, the highest amount of suicides happen with lottery

Alex Ferrari 1:06:34
Suicides, death, they'll lose everything within five years. Destroys families destroy it's, it's a rare person who could handle that kind of energy, yeah, that, you know, it's one thing when you're born with nothing and work your way up, and you learn along the way how to handle large amounts of money, yeah, you know, you give a billion dollars to Elon, no problem. Yeah, right. You give a billion dollars to most human beings on the planet, it will destroy them. That's right, because they just won't know what it's just too much. It's but with what we're saying, the lottery winners, it was part of their path. They needed to go through whatever they're going to go through.

Dr. Katy Jane 1:07:17
We could compare lottery winning with God realization.

Alex Ferrari 1:07:21
Please. Let's go, you know, explain, explain, this is good. Explain.

Dr. Katy Jane 1:07:26
So, you know, spontaneous enlightenment is like winning the lottery. You're not prepared. Oh yeah, I've spoken to many of those people. You have spoken to many of these people, and and they're not prepared for the magnitude of that experience, and most of us are not. And so that's why, over lifetimes we are, we're building our way up to that priming, our way to that experience.

Alex Ferrari 1:07:52
Is that why psychedelics can be so rough sometimes?

Dr. Katy Jane 1:07:58
Probably, yeah, because a person is just not prepared to meet God within themselves.

Alex Ferrari 1:08:04
Say that again, out loud, one more time

Dr. Katy Jane 1:08:08
They are not prepared to meet God within themselves, which is why the gurus discourage psychedelics, because there's a process of building your nervous system gradually, you know, accommodating deeper and deeper levels of consciousness and then experience God within.

Alex Ferrari 1:08:32
Well, it'd be like a child all of a sudden, being giving a 15 year old, God forbid, giving a 15 year old a billion dollars, right? Carte Blanche, do whatever you want. They would not, you know, if normal, normal adults can't handle it. Can you imagine a 15 year old, yeah, trying to deal with that because they're not ready. They're not primed. Their their brains aren't even developed 100% Yeah? So they're not ready. So it's a ready. So it's the same thing with spiritual enlightenment. That's right, psychedelics can open the door. I remember it was Ram Dass guru. I forgot his name.

Dr. Katy Jane 1:09:12
Yes, Neem Karoli Baba

Alex Ferrari 1:09:12
Yes, Baba. He they gave him a bunch of shrooms, and nothing happened. He was like, That was tasty and nothing, nothing happened. Why is nothing happening to you guys? Because I'm already there. Exactly. He was able to completely bypass it. Did not literally did nothing to him, right? So, but he was ready for that. Yes, it's the equivalent of being able to bench 500 pounds. If you can bench 500 pounds, you could handle 500 pounds. You and me get thrown 500 pounds, we're 100 pounds. We're dying.

Dr. Katy Jane 1:09:43
We're gonna, yeah, well,

Alex Ferrari 1:09:44
We're not gonna make it. Yeah, you couldn't even get the ball.

Dr. Katy Jane 1:09:49
I couldn't even, Neither could I. But yeah, I mean, so we're on a, we're on an evolutionary trajectory as as embodied souls and so you. Know, to speak to that, that question that you asked about my client, you know, did she waste those 30 years? And, you know, yeah, I mean, 30 years, if you look at trillions of years of lifetimes, yeah, it's, it's not, it's not that much, and everything is an opportunity for growth. That's what we're here for. You.

Alex Ferrari 1:10:20
Obviously, you know a lot about the Vedic teachings. Yukteswar Yogananda is guru. He wrote a book called The Holy

Dr. Katy Jane 1:10:31
The holy science. Yes,

Alex Ferrari 1:10:32
That book, he introduced the idea of the yugas. Yes. Can you astrologically? Can you explain the yugas and what the yugas are. And again, my understanding is this a 26,000 24,000 year cycle of humanity.

Dr. Katy Jane 1:10:48
Yes. And I'm so glad you brought up Sri Yukteswar Giri I love him, yes. And his, his beautiful book called The Holy science. It's small, but it's powerful, it's dense, it's dense. Well, it's a tough read. You know, readers, be warned. It's a tough read. It is. But he he reframes the yugas. And so Yuga just means ages of time. And in the Vedic concept of time, it is three things. It's an Adi, which means it's beginningless. It is an Anta, which means it's endless, and it's a parushea, which means it is not created by any human hand. So time is endless. It's cyclical, and it just is. It's not invented or created. It is the one eternal thing, but it can also be calculated. And this is when the Zodiac becomes important. Because through the Zodiac, we can calculate, like I said, trillions of years that are divided into four ages of time. And in each age of time, there is an expression of dharma, or purpose, collectively for the whole universe. What is the what is the collective purpose? And it declines with each age, until the Kali age, which supposedly we're at right now, according to some calculations in which, you know, lawlessness prevails, you know, humanity declines, everything basically devolves into hell.

Alex Ferrari 1:12:33
Wouldn't that have been the Middle Ages?

Dr. Katy Jane 1:12:35
But that's the middle ages. So Yukteswar to came along and he said, No, no, all of you traditional Vedic astrologers and astronomers have have miscalculated the yugas of time. They're actually much shorter in duration. They're 26,000 years in total for one cycle, for one cycle that then repeats. And so, according to him, and he really makes a good case for this that we are not in the Kali age of decline. We're actually in what's called the Dwapara Yuga, the Second Age of or the Third Age of time, even though it means second, it's the third in which we're actually in a more enlightened age. And he claims that this the Dwapara Yuga began in the Enlightenment in Europe, the Renaissance, the renaissance in Europe, which makes a whole lot of sense, because Europe went from the Dark Age, the dark ages in which people only took one bath in their life. You know, kind of thing you know, we know about the Dark Ages. And then all of a sudden, there's this age of light. And then, along with the the Renaissance and the Enlightenment era, we have the invention of these incredible technologies, like, like the radio, light, television, television, all of it, we are having a we're and he claims that the sign of the Dwapara age is energy. So everything is moving toward our identification with energy, rather than in the Kali age, which was identified with the physical world. Now we're moving in toward a more subtle level of mind, and we're watching it. We're moving more and more and more into subtle level of mind, virtual reality, now, artificial intelligence, the internet, all of it is putting us into an energetic mind field, which is the sign of Dwapara Yuga, and it's also the sign of collective enlightenment for humanity, which is why Babaji came out with Kriya Yoga right at that defining moment that 1865 with Lahiri Mahasaya. With Lahiri Mahasaya in the cave of Babaji, in which he gives. Is the technology, Kriya Yoga, that can help humanity evolve toward this unity with the one mind, or the unity with the unified field. Yogananda was the great grand or the grand disciple of La of Lahiri Mahasaya, and created a worldwide spiritual revolution, beginning in 1920 bringing yoga, bringing kriya yoga, meditation, meditation, to the west and to the world, ultimately, and that has,

Alex Ferrari 1:15:40
And now we have goat yoga, because we are American.

Dr. Katy Jane 1:15:46
And, you know, I think this is a thing in science. I wish I had a physicist here to confirm, but I think it's a thing when, you know, we go we go back to go forward. In fact, I think Einstein said this, that evolution is like riding a bicycle. You have to pedal backward to go forward. So, yeah, so we do have goat yoga in the same world that we have, that we have the Enlightened teachings of mahavatar Babaji.

Alex Ferrari 1:16:17
Yeah, we took the croissant and made it into a Chris sandwich. Is what we made, exactly.

Dr. Katy Jane 1:16:27
So we pedaled back to go forward. Yeah,

Alex Ferrari 1:16:30
That's so, that's it. So I in agreement with you, I think the Middle Ages was the low point. I mean, just rationally looking at it, it's pretty the lowest point in because there was Rome prior to that, correct? There was Egypt. It was, I mean, there was a lot of advanced the Vedic civilization, all of it, there was so many very, very advanced civilizations doing really cool stuff, correct? But in the Middle Ages, everything just stopped for hundreds, hundreds of years. That's right, it was just, you know, like the holy plague, the plague. No, my was it? Monty Python is the holy grail. Bring out your dead. I'm not dead yet. Bring out your

Dr. Katy Jane 1:17:18
Exactly, exactly, it's so that was the worst thing worse,

Alex Ferrari 1:17:24
Yeah, exactly. And then the Renaissance came up. And now, I mean, you can't people argue like, Oh, we're not enlightened. Now, I'm like, Are you kidding? Yeah, right, comparatively to the Middle Ages, yeah, you know, first of all, you and I are having a conversation not being, you know, stoned, burned at the stake, drowned, you know, or thrown in prison for this, put on the rack, put on the rack, or something like that. That's that you know, that you were allowed to travel alone as a woman. I know, I know me as a Latino man, even being able to speak like public I mean, these are things that were not available to us in our life, I think maybe, well, within the last 150 years, precisely. So I think once the Industrial Revolution came up, things just ramped up. And that's the other thing I kept I've said so many times to people over the years. I'm like, why now? I mean, we've been around, technically, for 1000s of years, and this 100 years, 150 years, we have made more advancements than we have in 10,000 years.

Dr. Katy Jane 1:18:29
I know why, like, why now? Why now? Well, you know astrologically. Why now? Astrologically? I mean, the the tree, the fruit ripens and falls from the tree. I mean, it's the it's the readiness of the moment. And you know, that's why all of this knowledge has come out. You know, Babaji is an immortal yogi who carried this knowledge for 1000s of years in hidden caves in the Himalayas. Why did he give it to a householder? He's given it essentially to humanity, because the moment is now, it was needed. It's needed. And, you know, we don't know what that what that means in terms of the earth. You know, maybe we're getting ready to leave the Earth, you know, we're, we're ascending from, from this plane, things can really go downhill before we go up, you know.

Alex Ferrari 1:19:33
And we are, we are, according to the yugas, we're, we're in for a few 1000 years, but as we're going up towards the top of pure enlightenment, if you will. It's getting better every year. Technically, every every 100 years, it's getting better and better and better. So we are becoming more and more enlightened till we get to the top. But then this will come back again, come back down again. Because in the in. From your point of view, I look at this whole thing as a video game. Yeah, yes, it's an ongoing video game. The train is always running, yes, it's just depending on what station you want to jump in on. So as a soul on, and now we're going really deep into the weeds here, but as a soul on the other side, and you're like, I need to learn where, when can I go? Where can I go? What planet should I go to to learn the lessons that I want to learn, or experience what I want to experience looking at Earth like, oh, you know what those dark ages look rough. I need that. Let's go down there. You need that timing to go into that right? Or someone like Yogananda, who shows up, he's like, I'll, I'll take, I'll take the mantle this, this work needs to be done, right? I'll go in there, and I'll take all the arrows. I'll take all the struggles, because I'm strong enough to do it, and I'm gonna go do it. And this is a time period, but there has to be a game board time for this, these things to play. Yes, you know, Yogananda can't do that 500 years earlier.

Dr. Katy Jane 1:21:01
That's right. He just, that's right.

Alex Ferrari 1:21:03
He can't. Lahira Mahasaya with kriya yoga. Talk to him. Talk in the year 20, you know, in the year 100 ad, right? Is that happening? No, we're not ready, yeah, as a species that look, Jesus had a rough time. They all had rough times, and those were avatars who came in and tried to move us all forward at a time when we were so barbaric. That's right. And many would say we are still, in many ways,

Dr. Katy Jane 1:21:36
Yeah, we are still, I mean, but, but we also have this incredible opportunity to influence the whole planet at once, like we're having this conversation. I mean, this is going to be published on to the to the internet, everybody will be able to watch this for years to come. Imagine the impact that these kinds of conversations can have on people that's that's mind blowing, and that's new, and that's new relatively within the last 15 years, even last five years. I mean, the pandemic changed everything for us. I mean, you know, zoom, yeah, some of us were using zoom a lot, or Skype, yeah, right. Video. IP, Oh, God. I once taught a college course on video. IP, when it was brand new,

Alex Ferrari 1:22:31
I had my GeoCities website up then

Dr. Katy Jane 1:22:36
I'm having big hair in the 80s or shoulder or shoulder pads, you know, so but really the pandemic was the opening, the start of the decade that is really opening an enlightened age for us.

Alex Ferrari 1:22:53
But it's a painful pass.

Dr. Katy Jane 1:22:54
It's a painful pass, and it involves a lot of darkness as well, because we cannot have the contrast of the light without the dark,

Alex Ferrari 1:23:04
And is that why we're going through what we're going through right now? There is a lot more heavy, as you were saying,

Dr. Katy Jane 1:23:09
Heavy, but again, like what I said about the one free will that we have is the power of our attention. We don't have the free will to change and stop everything. I mean, we can try. We can, you know, try to end wars and world hunger and all of these things, and we can take those actions. I'm not saying that we can't do do that, but the power of our free will is best applied in where we put our attention. And we can put our attention on all of the negative and difficult and destructive things that are happening on our planet, or we can see where they're ultimately leading toward. And I think the power of the collective, if it's put on the higher possibility, it will enact that. It will bring it about. So that's why I feel like, you know, these kinds of conversations are really important to have.

Alex Ferrari 1:24:09
So we talked a little bit about 2026 it is going to be a year transformation. It's not going to be as heavy, or is it where there's it's going to be heavy as well as 2025

Dr. Katy Jane 1:24:20
No, I'm really excited about 2026 because we've had for the last five years a really rough go. And astrologically speaking, this has to do with the planet Saturn, and Saturn being in full power from the beginning of 2020 on, but as of March 29 of 2025 we are having a sort of changing of the astrological guard, and the planet Jupiter is now more empowered than Saturn. So what does that mean? Jupiter represents op. Optimism, hope, enlightenment, a feeling of Utopia, the youth coming out, divine teachings becoming mainstream, right? Like we're talking and and the kind of work you're doing, that's why this is starting to take off. Because there, there is, it's time. And 2026 is a year where we really get to bask in some very positive energy. 2027 we're back to normal again.

Alex Ferrari 1:25:37
So it's going to be a nice but there is going to be some, there's going to be some issues,

Dr. Katy Jane 1:25:44
The issues, like I mentioned, what I can see, and like I said, I don't have my ear pressed against the wall of God's office. So, you know, take what I say with the greatest good movie story of my life. But, um, but from what I can see, there isn't really any big problem, except for the difficulty in the workforce and the effect that it has on people's livelihoods and the economy.

Alex Ferrari 1:26:18
Well, do do you see is 2026 the year that we astrologically speaking, that the economy is going to finally correct?

Dr. Katy Jane 1:26:27
Yeah, I mean, because Jupiter is expanded, is exalted next year, Jupiter can represent inflation also, so inflation could spiral out of control, which would then throw everything out of whack, throw everything out of whack, which you know, for the last five years, big government, big corporations, Big Pharma, have really held, held us Sure. You know they're they're really controlling everything. But when the economy starts to become unreasonable when inflation, rather, starts to become out of control and people can't afford basic necessities, the government and all these big corporations, they all come to their knees. They have to then serve the people, because what are you going to do when people can't afford to buy groceries, or people can't afford to pay their mortgage or, you know, system, but the whole system has to shift. And, yeah, I mean, I think that that is what we're seeing.

Alex Ferrari 1:27:30
Do you see in the years coming? I've heard the year 2032, is kind of like after that. It starts to really start to smooth out a little bit,

Dr. Katy Jane 1:27:40
But we have 2030, to 2032,

Alex Ferrari 1:27:43
Yeah, there's still those two years,

Dr. Katy Jane 1:27:46
Still those there's still those two years. Um, you know, I don't want to be a fear monger, but I wouldn't rule out World War,

Alex Ferrari 1:27:56
But not in a nuclear capacity, meaning that we would destroy ourselves.

Dr. Katy Jane 1:28:00
Yeah. I mean, I don't know about I maybe a lot of people might leave the planet. I don't know. But 2030, the end of the decade, brings some big problems, perhaps for the world, astrologically, astrologically, but a necessity for the evolutionary goal,

Alex Ferrari 1:28:21
You know what I mean? And that's, you're not the first to say that, I mean. And we can kind of look at the tea leaves, if you will, on this, and that's, it's like, what? That's crazy. You know? It could easily between the players that are on the table right now, right? It could something like that could happen. But looking at like World War Two. That was our last giant world war that we had that not only shifted, it was obviously the most painful, the most horrific war that humanity has ever put together. Yes, most more life was lost in that war than ever. But with that, the the I want to say the positive side. But what happened? The results of that war were the economic empire of the of the United States. Yes, came directly from that. That's right. Europe was weakened because of that. They were the economic power. And then after that war, they got decimated, right? While we were safe over here, we were able to build up our economic power and military power. So the United States was built on the back of World War Two as we know it today, but we also see the cracks in the on the wall. Now, you know how Rome did it for 1000 years is beyond me. Yeah, really thinking about it, I'm like, wow.

Dr. Katy Jane 1:29:45
Well, you know, to quote, Shakira,

Alex Ferrari 1:29:47
My hips, don't lie.

Dr. Katy Jane 1:29:50
This time Africa,

Alex Ferrari 1:29:53
Oh, that's, I've heard that as well. This time Africa, Africa has been kind of left,

Dr. Katy Jane 1:29:59
Yeah, there are. Africa comes up, Africa led by Asia, you know. I mean, we, we know that the western world is in a bit of a decline. But what comes up are, you know, the orphans lead the world. And this is an Aquarian kind of ideal. So, I mean, the hippies in the 60s were right. We are heading more toward the Aquarian Age. I mean, not in our life.

Alex Ferrari 1:30:26
Great song, though, Age of Aquarius

Dr. Katy Jane 1:30:29
Is a great song. Sometimes, if I'm depressed, I'll watch hair again, just for that song and that opening scene. But yeah, we are moving toward an Aquarian ideal, and we're starting to see signs of the Aquarian ideal, which, as I mentioned the guides on the side. Aquarian ideal is egalitarian. It's the woman at the well. That's a symbol of Aquarius. And you know, she gathers the water from the well, she returns back to her village home, and at what she pours out isn't water, but air, those thoughts that benefit humanity, that which connects us all, the energetic unity that we all share, and it's brought forth by the those that live in The agrarian world. You know, when computers take over everything, where does our workforce lie? It goes back to the earth. Everything goes back to Earth 2026. Begins with the rising star in hasta, which means the hands, the hands that create. So this is all going back to these kinds of cultures, which are more agrarian, women come to the center, which is also really exciting. Women come to the center as spiritual teachers and healers and world leaders, which is also an Aquarian ideal, right?

Alex Ferrari 1:31:58
That's the one thing that people always ask me, women always ask me, like, you have all you talk about the Ascended Masters, and they're always dudes. They are a lot of dudes. It's definitely, it's a dude fest. There's no question. But I always tell them, I'm like, Well, you know, there's Quan Yin, there's Mary Magdalene, there's Mother Mary, and there's many others that are female, I go. But in the time that they came up a woman could not do it. That's right, it'd be so. I mean, if Jesus was female, it wouldn't have worked. Look what happened to Mary Magdalene. They painted her out to be a prostitute.

Dr. Katy Jane 1:32:34
But what's cool about Mary Magdalene? Oh, I love don't even have to go there. It's too much. But what's cool about Mary Magdalene is she has been redeemed, and there is a whole movement, yep, blossoming around the teachings of Mary Magdalene. Oh yeah, and the discovery of the gospel of Mary Magdalene.

Alex Ferrari 1:32:59
Oh yes. I mean, I've been, I've been talking about her on the show a lot. I know I love promoting her mother Mary's teachings. They're not just side characters.

Dr. Katy Jane 1:33:09
They're not just side characters. But yeah, historically, for many reasons, women have been marginalized, but now as we're moving toward this Aquarian model, I mean, if you look at all the all the great spiritual teachers that are coming up in our popular space. I mean, we have payment children. We have Marianne Williamson, you know, really amazing women sharing truth in a public way which has never happened before. So this is, you know, as Dickens said, the best of times, the worst of times. And it was the best of times and, and it's absolutely right,

Alex Ferrari 1:33:53
You brought up Dickens. I have a theory bullet times. Yeah, I love Dickens. He was also a master Yogi in many ways. But I the other day, I was sitting there thinking, I'm like, is the Christmas carol like the ultimate near death experience? If you look at the if you look at the story, I'm like, It's identical to a near death experience. He didn't die, per se, but he was taken on a life review, yeah, and then was forced to, do you want to go back or not? And then change your ways? And that's what happens when near death experiencers, they come back and they change their ways. And it was, you know, they were on on one road, and now they go jump on another because of the of the experience. But I thought that was like, I think it might be the first near death experience,

Dr. Katy Jane 1:34:43
Near death experience, but it's also what happens when we have our Vedic birth chart read

Alex Ferrari 1:34:48
You kind of understand, well, that's when you have your Vedic birth chart. Red is a lot less aggressive,

Dr. Katy Jane 1:34:57
Operating table

Alex Ferrari 1:34:58
Or being visited by ghosts.

Dr. Katy Jane 1:35:01
Is correct milder form,

Alex Ferrari 1:35:05
But what you're saying is everyone should just have their rated charts read, and everything will be fine.

Dr. Katy Jane 1:35:10
I feel like everybody should see their life from the stars point of view, from Yeah, from an objective point of view, to be able to see like I feel like it's the birthright of everybody to see the greatness that they inherited in their life and what the potential is that they're bringing with them to this life. I feel like everybody should know that and and work with that to make better decisions, to to to lead happier lives.

Alex Ferrari 1:35:43
It's like becoming the chef of your own life. These are the ingredients you were given. How you combine them is up to you, but these are the ones you've got. That's right, that's right. It's the cards you're dealt. How you play them is up to you, that's right. But be but be happy that these are not be happy, but understand that this is the path. These are the ingredients of your life, yes, and the more you embrace paprika and dill. You might not like dill, but it's, that's, it's one of the ingredients you were given. Yeah, then enjoy it and it things just flow,

Dr. Katy Jane 1:36:19
Yeah, like, sometimes I call it like chocolate sauce on asparagus. It's an acquired taste, you know. Sometimes we have those kinds of experiences in our life. Sometimes we have chocolate sauce on ice cream. It's divine, you know. So it's learning how to adapt to those kinds of variegated tastes that life gives us,

Alex Ferrari 1:36:41
And it's varied, to say the least. That's right, Katy, where can people find out more about you and the amazing work you're doing in the world?

Dr. Katy Jane 1:36:48
You can find out about me from my website. drkatyjane.com, you can find your Vedic moon sign on vedicmoonsigns.com and you can read about your Vedic Moon signs in my newly published book, Vedic Moon signs. Moon signs for the soul, how your Vedic moon sign reveals your reason you were born and how to live a purpose led life.

Alex Ferrari 1:37:16
And do you have any final messages for the audience who will listen to them now and in the future,

Dr. Katy Jane 1:37:22
Align with your higher self and evolve into you know who you're meant to become.

Alex Ferrari 1:37:30
Dr Katy, it's been such a beautiful time with you. I enjoyed it. I love this conversation, and I appreciate everything you're doing to help awaken all of us. So thank you

Dr. Katy Jane 1:37:40
Likewise, Alex, thanks for having me on the show. It's just been so good.