Alex Ferrari 0:00
If someone came to you today feeling spiritually exhausted, not lost, but tired, what would you tell them first?

Dr. Amarjit Kaur Doowa 0:08
What you just said is the core problem in the world today, the soul, the spirit, is exhausted, because when the powers deplete, this purity is our powers, and the only way we can fill up with powers is by connecting with the supreme we actually live three lives in one life, one outside with these eyes, one in our mind and one while we sleep in the dream world that's also life going on at that time, in that moment in time.

Alex Ferrari 0:38
What do you think suffering teaches you that that the sacred texts or something in a book could never do?

Dr. Amarjit Kaur Doowa 0:49
Suffering, partly is external, but part mostly...

Alex Ferrari 0:57
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Alex Ferrari 1:50
I like to welcome to the show Dr. Amarjit. How are you doing, Karen? Or Karen, as others know you,

Dr. Amarjit Kaur Doowa 1:55
That's right. Well, please do call me Karen. I understand that Amarjit can be a mouthful, but it's a beautiful name that my mother kept, and I never liked it till I understood the meaning. Amar means immortal and eternal, and Jit means victory.

Alex Ferrari 2:12
Wow, that's beautiful. Well, Karen, thank you so much for being on the show. I'm really looking forward to our conversations. You have lived a very interesting life. You do some very interesting things in the world and in your works remarkable. So I'm going to start. I'm just going to dive into the deep end right away. You've worked in slums and disaster zones, religious institutions and with the UN and after everything you've seen in your life's journey. What do you think most people get completely wrong about spirituality?

Dr. Amarjit Kaur Doowa 2:46
It's more that we know it, but we don't experience it. So I think they, of course, then the atheists and the non religious people might not even think about the fact that we are spirits and that we we leave when we die, we are done with but the ones that do understand spirit and soul also, it's not easy to experience being the soul, experience the spirituality. It's just words.

Alex Ferrari 3:22
It's heady. They're more in their head about it and not in their heart about it, not feeling it.

Dr. Amarjit Kaur Doowa 3:27
I won't even say head and heart. I'll give it a bit more refinement, experience in the sense that we know we are spirits, but the clarity of what is the spirit, and who am I, and even me, even me, knowing what I know in such depth and continuously practicing to I put a little dot here, if you notice, Is it twinkling?

Alex Ferrari 4:01
Yes, it is. It is.

Dr. Amarjit Kaur Doowa 4:02
And that's a bindi that everybody puts, and you'll see a lot of religious leaders put it that is actually signifies that I'm the soul

Alex Ferrari 4:11
In the red, in the red dot in the red dot as well?

Dr. Amarjit Kaur Doowa 4:14
Any color. We change color for beauty. Got it. Got it. But that's what that I put. I put a twinkling star, because the energy, so energy is like light, so that, I mean, sometimes we say red light. Why? Because red denotes the color of love and the color of, you know, being embodied in some depth. So red is like a it denotes something, but otherwise we are colorless. And so all this description of the soul and the depths of who am I when I first heard it in that description and that detail, it. It changed me, it, it, I would call it my moment of enlightenment, the the experience and of being that and whatever I had heard before I will. Let me just explain. I mean, you, you did say of the work I do, but I didn't, I'm more. I was, by chance, I became a sacrilegious leader, and for many years, I'm just a mother and a housewife, and I had three children, but somehow I was pulled out of my comfort zone, and even though I had everything, I was a happy normally, people say that when you're sad or when you're unhappy, then then you kind of turn towards spirituality. In my case, that was not the issue at all. I was very happy. I had a loving husband, financially good. I was working. I was an assistant principal. I'm a teacher, you know, and I had a master's in education, all that. But what, what really changed? Everything was a random moment. So I always feel that awakening isn't really in our hands. It happens because I had nothing to do with it,

Alex Ferrari 6:25
Generally, the way, the way the universe works sometimes, yeah.

Dr. Amarjit Kaur Doowa 6:29
I mean, I, you know, we have the six scriptures, and I was just bowing down to it randomly one day, as I do my morning prayers, and I open it, because my mother in law, and my mother and everybody had taught me to do that and to keep connected to God through that. So I was like, just doing it. And another time, I was reading a lot of books that were a universal spirituality, which I understood more than my scriptures, because my scriptures was like Sanskrit and Greek to me, I could read it, but I didn't understand a word of it. So I was reading Conversations with God at that time. This is like over 20 years ago, 25 years ago, like long ago, end empowerment of women and many lives, many monsters. And whenever I heard, read about, whenever I saw that book, or I read in depth of many lives, many masters. I always wondered, do I What do you mean by many masters and many lives? Is it really true? Those sort of thoughts came, but I didn't give it too much attention. But this morning, when, that morning, when I just bowed, I was there was a stream of light that came to me, and there was a voice that was so clear that what's you're not going to find truth in the book tops. You're going to find truth in the scriptures. That was the start. And I looked at the holy book, and I was like, Okay, that makes sense. Guru Nanak wrote and all these masters put it there, and the six scriptures are only 550 years old, so it's still in the authentic version, compared to other scriptures, which have been translated and written by other people, whereas this is written by Guru Nanak himself and the Masters after him themselves. I didn't find that true, so I said I never thought of that. How can truth be bought? And that began my journey. Though, you can imagine me an English speaking person from a Christian boarding school. So for me, Guru Nanak and Jesus are saying, you know, all messengers of God. And so I never and Buddha, living in Thailand, Buddhist country, having Muslim friends, I was very universal, and I was very clear that the message of EK umkar means there's only one God and there's only all of us. Are his spirits or his children. You know, his children. So it was but how to so I had to make an effort to read it. But when I started, I saw I got copies of English translation of the and the English translation is, I tell you die, thee thou. And it didn't make much sense. So I was like, you know, I talked to God, conversation with God. This is an impossible journey. I'm never going to understand you through these words, thick scriptures, which is alien to me. I could read it. And so it was an impossible journey. And I told him, I'm giving you one year. If in one year I don't understand you through this, I'm still going to look for you. And there was no turning back.

Alex Ferrari 9:39
Yeah, and I'm sure this has happened to you with with your people who work with you and follow you. If someone came to you today feeling spiritually exhausted, not lost, but tired, what would you tell them first?

Dr. Amarjit Kaur Doowa 9:54
That is what you just said, is the core problem in the world. Today and is the truth. It's not our problems, the soul, the spirit, is exhausted. So if I would tell them that, I would tell you, need to come and visit me and hear one session on experiencing yourself as the soul. When you understand the truth of yourself as a spirit through time, and I'm making a movie on that the Spirit through time, you are eternally victorious. And I started appreciating my name. And when you understand that, and when you understand the cycle of time, which I hope I have an opportunity to share with you, you will understand the first part, which makes you a bit detached from we are exhausted because of the problems and everything around us, number one, but also because we are souls on a long journey, and we are old. We are old and we are tired. And the older the soul is, the more tired it is. So you'll see enlightened people, all souls facing more problems, going through more challenges than maybe a new soul who is still got some power, but the times are such. We have lived through many lifetimes, and we reached a point now which I watch everything that you do, and I listen and I hear and it tallies that it's the end of the cycle of time. So we are exhausted, and it's okay and it's normal, but there is a way to fill up with power, and how we empower,

Alex Ferrari 11:56
And how do you do that?

Dr. Amarjit Kaur Doowa 11:58
That's the secret. When we understand I'm very open and I want the thing is, when we say something that's so significant in one sentence, it doesn't do it justice, and it gets misunderstood also. So I would say very simply, with authenticity, but there's a learning involved, at least one hour of clarity and understanding to understand what I'm about to say, but I'll say it. I'm a soul, and the only way I can empower myself from within is to connect to the source, just like the phone when the battery is depleted, I cannot connect to another phone and say, give me your power or your electricity, and the other one will not lose it. They will lose it, and they will want it back. So love is also like that. We say, give me love, and then we want it back and back and forth because we don't have, we don't have enough supply. But when we connect to a source, then the source is unlimited and endless. You never plug in your phone thinking, Oh, the source is not going to supply me with electricity, or it's going to want it back. So the Almighty, the supreme soul. I call it, I call I mean it's better. Word is supreme soul. It is beyond the religion, beyond what we think, beyond all concepts that that one, it is a one, and when we connect to him or him is not even in the right word, that being you understand, no gender,

Alex Ferrari 13:45
That energy, that energy, yes, that consciousness

Dr. Amarjit Kaur Doowa 13:47
When we connect. And in the six scriptures, it's a beautiful word used Govind, Milan, Gobind means the Lord of the universe, and Milan means union. So when you have that union. You fill up. You fill up with all the love you need, all the peace you need, all the joy you need, all the contentment and purity and all these beautiful virtues and strength, inner strength you need to be able to be empowered, and so you don't. So we do go through issues in life when we are not connecting. That's why the six scriptures also say and what I've learned over which I mean, I went beyond the six scriptures, by His grace, when we connect, and it's not about an external connection, it's all here. It's with the mind. Because Manjit Jagjit, the mind is the key. So it's all internal. Antaragat tiratna, the journey is inside. So when we understand I'm a soul, and we able to visualize. This, we have to use the power of vision, which is very important, and connect and understand that if I'm a soul and I'm going to fill up with power, I'm energy, then I need to connect with the divine energy, identical to me, but empowered fully 100% and never deplete. Why? Why? Why? Very simple, because he never takes birth in the womb of a mother, or plays a role on Earth. So there's no human body he is away from the karmic or the cycle of time, or the this birth and death cycle, which we say am Amar is not the right beyond cycle of time and death. A Juni, yeah. A Juni, the word there are nine words in the Sikh scriptures that begin the sick scripture that Guru Nanak is first words. They're very powerful, and they explain soul and supreme soul. So one of the words is a journey beyond bodies. We are so beyond bodies, but we take on a body, so we forget so we lose our power, so we lose our super beings. We lose that. You know, I always give the example of Superman. I love that movie, how he comes to earth as an alien, from Alien from abroad, from out of the world, and he comes and he becomes a human being. He looks like a human being, but he's a super bee. But what happens in part two is very amazing. I love these geniuses who create such beautiful movies. How he goes and gives up his super being because he wants to marry one woman.

Dr. Amarjit Kaur Doowa 14:34
You're talking for everyone listening. You're talking about the original Christopher Reeve Superman films from 82 and in the second movie, everyone knows the first movie, but in the second movie, if they didn't see it, he gives up his powers to be with Lois Lane, the woman he loves. He gave it all up for love, for the love. But then, of course, but then of course. But then of course, the three supervillains from Krypton are there, and now he's got a he's like, I can't help the world. What have I done? And that's the dilemma,

Dr. Amarjit Kaur Doowa 15:43
Not just that. He also couldn't save her. They're walking and they're attacked by thieves, and he felt helpless, and he was like, I love this woman, and I can't save her because I've given up this being a super being. What is it? What was the purpose of this love that needs a union of the body? And for that, I had to give up being a super being, and I can't save and I can't save the world. So he woke up and realized I need to go back home. I need to be the super being. I can't and I will be able to help her. She I may not be able to physically feel her, but I can still love her, and she can, you know, I can see be beyond the just the union of the body. So he does that because then he's able to protect her, he's able to save her, he's able to save the world, and he doesn't need to be with her to be able to do that and to be able to continue to love her forever. And that's our story. We are super beings from the Supreme world. We are aliens on Earth as spirits, because the world Earth is of five elements. We are not in the five elements. We are not visible. You can chop this body up and you cannot find the spirit. And when the dead body is there, it's clear that something has left it, because suddenly someone dies, I can just sit talking to you and have a heart fail and I'm dead, and what would have disappeared from me only one thing, my soul, the spirit. But I don't say my soul. I the soul. So Superman story is very important, because we are that, and we left home to play a role which is fun, and we did beautiful things, and we were empowered. And what happened is, along the way, lust came in, we went into the Adam eating the apple, Adam and Eve story, Eve eating the apple, that is the story of lust. So the union of the this, the union of two bodies is not impure, but in this era, it is in this time, it is because we, we only I had my biggest awakening when I and happiness and freedom to love, when I understood that physical union is not what love is. It's much bigger than that. That is why you love your mother, your best friends, your children. There's no There's no need for, you know, intercourse or physical union. So it grew. So what? This? Is so now, when we want to go back, when we understand that we are spirits and those super being, we need to go back to the source your question, and when we connect with the source, we have to learn how to do that in that understanding it happens. So it's just so in union with supreme soul. That's it, with a vision, with a clarity of who I am. The chapter Who am I takes a good 45 minutes to one hour to understand, for someone new, someone as ancient as you, and who knows so much patriarchy will be, it'll just take maybe 2030 minutes. So the fact that I'm a soul, and I understand that I'm from another realm out of this earth, and one day I'm going to go back home. That's Nirvana, what we talk about. And but we can go back home while we are living here, while we can connect inside, just to draw on that power. And we have to in order to become, you know, if I keep if I don't get pure, if I you know, why? Why are we good? Why do we have to be good? Why don't we all become bad? Why are we not geared towards being bad? Why is there thought, even when you're not religious, that you want to be a good being you want because that is who we are. We are love, we are peace. We all these beautiful qualities, which we which we think are what the world enforces us to become. No, we are already that. But we became greedy and angry, these five vices in the scriptures, they we all know about the five vices, calm, growth, anger, greed, lust, ego, attachment. So when we get down, this these pull us down, and laziness and carelessness are two more. These pull us down. So when we come you, when you get angry, you will notice that you lose it, you lose your power, you become unhappy, you become dissatisfied with yourself, unless you haven't even awakened. If you haven't awakened, you will get angry. And you think it's okay for me to get angry because the other person is wrong, but that leads nowhere, and he'll slowly, slowly deplete, and then reach a point when, because when the powers deplete, this purity is our powers, and the only way we can fill up with powers is by connecting with the supreme the only way. There's no other way. You can't say that I have a phone and I plug it into the water, or I plug it into I don't know what to get it charged. You have. You need electricity, and that's it. That's the energy needed for all electrical equipments. Likewise, I'm energy point, the only energy that I can fill up with has to be from the endless source I can fill up from another human being who is empowered.

Alex Ferrari 22:49
I was gonna say, I was gonna say, it's kind of like, like the Masters, like a guru or a master

Dr. Amarjit Kaur Doowa 22:57
You can and that's the story of majority of the people, but they are 900,000 souls or more, 3.3 ti scroll, they say so 313 million souls Exactly. I'll tell you how I found that out that will connect directly despite knowing and having had masters, they will be able to connect directly with the source, and they are the ones that will including the masters that will tilt the world to the beauty that is coming.

Alex Ferrari 23:37
Beautifully said. Now I have to ask you, Karen, have you ever felt because I speak, I speak to so many teachers, so many guides, leaders, have you ever felt trapped by the role that people project on to you while You're privately struggling?

Dr. Amarjit Kaur Doowa 23:59
That's one of the biggest challenges of someone who's stepped on the journey. You know why? And it's not, and you have to understand why. Also we if you've stepped on the journey, means you've had an awakening. So if you've had an awakening, and what you share makes other people feel that you seem to know think you know better, so then why to the eyeing you and looking at you, and expectations of you are higher. So those expectations from you is what makes you, makes them want more of you, or puts you down. But the challenge is every expectation that comes your way from someone that's trying to put you down or that's a challenge in your life, is another awakening. Home to I'm failing somewhere. I am failing in and I and I sit with myself, and I, I don't know how many more times I want to say sorry to God, you know, because it's not that I in the eyes of the world, I'm fine, but in my own eyes, and in in in the eyes of the benchmark, the purity and the goodness and the beauty that I need to be in that in my own understanding of my highest self. You know, we say the purpose of life is to to embody and be your highest self. So that benchmark when you fail, that in each moment in time that also makes the other person's expectations of you visible. It's your failure in some way, but it doesn't mean you take to heart. No, because you connect, you stay empowered, and you know, and you have grace, and that's where you need to be, the one to forgive and forget, because you know how to connect, and you know how to they haven't woken up. Or it's like when someone is sick. Are you going to tend to them? Are you going to expect them to tend to you? You know, because all these vices and unawakened is like an like a disease, and the Gurbani says that it's like a sickness till we don't, till we're not aware that I am sick. My being awakened doesn't mean I'm not sick. I am but I'm aware of it. I know my problem. I know my weakness, and I'm dealing with it, and I'm curing myself, but the other person doesn't know that, the other person hasn't awoken to their own to understand that anger is not okay, even greed is not okay. These desires are endless, and expectations we have our mind. Everyone lives in expectations, even me, despite knowing that it's me and my mind and inside, it's up to me, what I choose to affect me or not affect me. Anyone can say anything, do anything. It's my choice within to be affected or not. So I stopped pointing the finger at anyone that's one finger three fingers are pointing at me. So I need to look here. I need to look within and change that so it's our testing ground

Alex Ferrari 27:37
With all the journeying and self evaluation and the time you've spent with yourself and understanding who you are in this life. What is the hardest spiritual truth you've had to accept about yourself?

Dr. Amarjit Kaur Doowa 27:52
The funny thing is, when you know who you are, there's nothing difficult. And the only challenge is to keep that union knowing how to do it also to continually my only challenge is to keep that union as I talk to you, because it's a mind I can talk to my eyes can look at you. But let me explain that, Alex, we have the mind, which is like a screen, another world inside, very simple, I mean, like a video and a TV, yeah, literally, if I say red rose, you see, you visualize it, and you see a red rose. And while talking to me, your mind can go and think of your mother and think of your wife or your children or anything, while talking to me, yeah, why we're present. So the mind has a life and a vision of its own, a drama of its own. So when we yeah, we to say the least, we actually live three lives in one life, one outside with these eyes, one in our mind and one while we sleep in the dream world that's also life going on at that time in that moment in time. This was something i i figured out even before I found spirituality. But anyway, so what happens is now when I use that vision to have a union. So I'm talking to you, but what I'm doing inside again, I slip in and out. I won't say I was having a union all the time. I'm talking to you now I am when I see myself as this sparkling energy point, like a star, but not in a black background, because the realm of soul world is golden light, beautiful, like a sunrise or whatever you can describe, beautiful. So like light and light and light, and I'm a light in the light, so I'm this beautiful point of light, and then I know. Meet my father, who is also father, mother, the eternal was also beautiful point of light. And I just connect in my mind and I hold that vision. It takes a second that's it, because once you understand and I hold that vision. Now, when I speak and I talk, I can still carry on my life, but as long as I hold that vision and the awareness that I'm in union and I'm plugged in, I'm using my mind, my intellect and my feelings to plug in. I cannot do wrong. I cannot face challenges. The challenges that I face is when this union is up. So if I'm smart and if I'm clever, and I practice enough, and I'm and I do it and I practice, this is a practice. I'm I'm doing it now because I'm talking to you. But when I practice in the early hours and I practice it in silence, it becomes a habit. We have to cultivate the habit. So that's why the six scriptures, I used to wonder, you say, sa simra, go beneath with every breath, remember me. And I'm like, How can I say, why Guru? Why guru or godfather? Godfather. I mean, like, how can I remember you all the time? You know, but when I found the truth, and this is through the Brahma Kumaris, which I will talk on later, the clarity of soul and supreme soul in union and holding that vision while I talk, I stay empowered. And if I fail, if I disconnect, and something is happening to me outside and I wake up and I connect immediately, I'm fine. I've tried it. And if I fail, and I come back home and I'm disturbed, and I remember to connect, totally peaceful and fine. So that is the challenge. But of course, in my family, in my life, relationships are the biggest issues.

Alex Ferrari 32:02
Isn't that always the case? That's why the gurus went to the Himalayas and hung out for 20 years inside of a cave.

Dr. Amarjit Kaur Doowa 32:10
That's like taking, like, the story of taking out your eyes so you don't look at a woman in a negative way. Like, I don't want to see the woman is enticing me, so I remove my eyes.

Alex Ferrari 32:21
Well, that's that's extreme to say. The least is the other extreme right. It's that beautiful quote from Ram Dass is like, if you think you're spiritual, spend a weekend with your family, and that will show you how spiritual you truly are.

Dr. Amarjit Kaur Doowa 32:39
Oh, dear. The whole world had an awakening during phase.And I saw that in one of your sessions. You mentioned it, and I, and I so related to it, and it was the awakening for everyone that, oops, my challenges aren't out there. My challenges are right here.

Alex Ferrari 32:58
Oh yeah, it was, it was, it was pretty remarkable.

Dr. Amarjit Kaur Doowa 33:01
But we once we understand that, like even you've mentioned, and many of the channelers and many of the people that you've spoken to have spoken this, and I say it again, once we understand that I chose this life, I chose to clear karmic accounts with these souls. That's why they are my relatives. That's why they are my family. That's why I'm facing these challenges. Then then the challenges becomes my journey, my challenge, my test papers. And if I want to rise and get the PhD in spirituality or beyond, then I have to be able to to see and not blame them, and not run away from them, and to be powerful, empowered within enough to continue loving no matter what the other person says and whether they love you or not. You know when Jesus, someone slaps Jesus and he says, turn the other cheek for them to slap you back. It's very easily said and very but it it doesn't mean that they you have to allow someone to tread all over you, because you will not feel trodden over when you love back or when you love no matter what, not love back. Sorry, love, no matter what, I'm I'm Love. I Am Love. So I need to remember that and connect to stay that. Without the union, like Superman, I can't fight the thieves. The connection you have to become the super being in order to have the power to save yourself and save the world. Because in saving yourself, you save the world. You brought that up many days.

Alex Ferrari 34:49
Yeah, that's the key. So many people think that I want to go save the world and I have to go through things externally. And I always tell people that, no, it's you have to find that peace within yourself. You have. To find that work within you, do the work within yourself, and then you that just ripples like a stone in a pond in many, many ways.

Dr. Amarjit Kaur Doowa 35:09
But you know, like, for example, you and me, what are we doing? We are also externally giving our time, because we do live an external life. So rather than just earning money or just getting stuck in desires we I don't say I choose to do this. I say I have been made to do this, and I am following and following and flowing with the call and even my how I found you, I have no idea how this happened. You know, it's a manifestation, and it's, it's a destiny, and even though one session got canceled, and I know when some and I thought, okay, maybe now it won't happen. You know, I there was a thought, and then I said, but it's your game. It's not mine. I'm just a player, and if you will it, and if you wish it, I will serve. And if you don't, I'm fine, you know, I let it flow like that, and I noticed that whenever I let go and allow that, it manifests. Because if there's a higher good for me and for the world, service will happen. So serving, if you serve with that intention, of course, many serve in another intention of ego, and that's their journey, you know. But when we focus on me, it's no point looking at anyone else. Because who am I to judge anyone? How good am I? In many ways, it's easy,

Alex Ferrari 36:48
It's easier sometimes to be good to others than it is to be good to yourself.

Dr. Amarjit Kaur Doowa 36:53
And so called to the family that expect you to be more good than you are not good.

Alex Ferrari 37:05
Now we've been speaking a lot about these, the sacred texts that you've been talking about in your tradition. Is there one line from the sacred text that humanity needs to hear right now?

Dr. Amarjit Kaur Doowa 37:19
More than the sacred text. I have the I found the direct connection with God Himself through the Brahma Kumaris. And there's a reason why Brahma is called the Creator. So I would say the union, this divine union, if you seek it and you want it enough, it will come your way somehow. But if you don't seek it and don't are not even aware of it, then if it's in your destiny, will come like me. I didn't really seek it, but it came. But now that the divine connection is important, and the six scriptures actually say that they the purpose of life. You know, there's one sentence, Nana ke kar ke, well known, the purpose of life. There is only union with the divine, only and Guru Gobind Singh of 10th guru, he meditated tohe tohe means only you. Only you means, in my mind, there's only you for three days and three nights. And in the very first message of the six scriptures in the very first verse, the first nine words describes you, because without knowing who you are, you can't have a union. So describes the soul, and that one, it begins with IK, the one Almighty, and the purpose of life is given. Very beautiful in a question, gi satyara hoye. Gi kore to ke pal. Two questions are posed, which is the purpose of life? gi satyara hoye. How do I become the true one? And the second question, how do I break these mountains of illusions, they use the word mountains of illusions that we live in. These are the two questions that get answered divine connection and how with what time, the early hours of amrit vela, which is Brahma Murat, between the exact time is 4am but the earlier, the better. So 2:30 to 4am is the waking up. You know, one saint I met, and he said it very beautifully. He said it's the time Santa Claus is giving his gifts. You want a gift from Santa Claus? You. You wake up at four o'clock. Otherwise you missed the gift. God is there all the time, but you want that special gift. So that's the union hour. Why? Because you don't have an agenda, that you don't have hunger, you don't have a phone call, you don't have the world is asleep. See, we have thoughts energy. Whatever I'm thinking is thoughts out there, traffic in the air all day. There's a lot of traffic. So to reach beyond, to go to supreme world and connect with God, with to kind of filter through the thought traffic. So in Brahma Kumaris, we have the traffic control. So what I love is it's a traffic control means you come within yourself and connect. But at amrit Bela, there's no traffic. You just wake up and it's just you and him. That's it. There's nothing else to do so and you can go back to sleep after that, if you want to, you know. And here in Bangkok, when I'm I am with all life and hectic life, I go back to sleep. But when I go on my retreats, and when I go to Mount Abu, or when I go for my medal, then I don't go back to sleep. Then I get up at 230 and I give that time for that. And then all day I'm sharing or listening to sessions and classes. And it's a beautiful awake, like recharging, and I go to sleep early so that I can get up early and have union and fill up and fill up. I need to fill up, right? It's just like joining I've lost my battery for so many lifetimes, 5000 years. I'm knocked out beyond history. I'm older than history.

Alex Ferrari 41:35
I understand completely what you said. Now you would with your work. You've worked in a lot of disaster zones in your in your career and your journey. What do you think suffering teaches you that that the sacred texts or something in a book could never do, because there's you've been speaking, experiencing, versus the other. What do you believe that suffering does teach us?

Dr. Amarjit Kaur Doowa 42:04
I was very shocked, and this is going to shock you. There's one photo in my Facebook, which I'm with the United States, and I That picture was taken during tsunami, and I'm carrying a little girl in my hand, and I'm looking at her, and she's smiling, and she has a little earring on, and I look at her earring, and I look at her smile. She's not suffering in that moment in time she was happy. And so what is suffering? Yes, we've we cannot. Maybe a person who has, and you look at another person who's very rich and has everything and commits suffering, partly is external, but part, mostly, it's in the mind, because a beggar, or some I've seen there was once I used to live in sukhumvitsoi Four, and they used to be a beggar sleeping on the roadside every day. He made a little house of his own, like a tent kind of thing. And he had these old record players and things around that I would notice. And he was happy with that, you know, it was like, I used to look at him and wow. And, you know, and the story we hear that some a man is sitting at the beach, and what is the purpose of life? And ultimately, it is just to come back and sit at the beach and enjoy the scenery and the sunset and the sunrise. So what is it? But, yes, world disasters. You know, I never felt that I have to go out and help again, I was pulled I received a call from the United States at that time, and I was that time I had not even stepped on, I had stepped on the spiritual journey, but I was still new. I was just two, three years no more. But okay, they called, and they had, they told me to go, and I was like, I'm in Bangkok. My husband will not allow me to go to a disaster zone and get, you know, all the sickness, and come back. And so how that happened was also magical. And, oh, there are a lot of magical stories in that, how I reached and and I and the American doctors were coming, and I couldn't set up, because everybody was so scared and and the stones were spoken of disease that how would I protect the doctors that are coming to her? Because at that time, it was not about clearing up, it was about mentally health. So the doctors were coming with psychiatrists and and the next challenge I faced was translation. They were English speaking all the people affected. So there's a lot of challenges that will come, but there were a lot of miracles that happened, and one day, I'll share those miracle stories with you. But right now, I think we don't have too much time, so just Yeah, we do what we can. What is ours is not us. We are one world, one family. We share as much as we can, and no matter how much we share, it's not enough. And sick. The sick religion says 10% no one I know gives 10% no matter how much you're giving, it's never even 10% if you have 100 will you give 10 away? You will give one, maybe not even one. If you have 1000 maybe you will give five or 10. This is how we are. So in our scriptures, they just tell us to share at least 10% not in the Scripture, sorry, in the messages, in the teachings, scriptures, in the six scriptures. Is amazing. It's only the soul and the journey of the soul. That's it, the entire group and step, which amazed me when I stepped up, everything is the soul, and the challenges of the soul and how to connect, because we are so thick that one sentence cannot make more and more.

Alex Ferrari 46:00
Now you've both. You've worked with both men and women globally. What is the deepest wound you see women dealing with today?

Dr. Amarjit Kaur Doowa 46:07
It's a global thing. Women is relationships and love, and men is ego. I'll give you the men without you asking. When I say ego, I think maybe, okay, maybe I'm coming from a bit of old school that women are housewives, which is not the situation right now. So I think they are a lot of women who are mom when I Well, let's not say women female versus male characteristics. There are a lot of female body people, souls that have male characteristics more empowered, but you see, as souls, we are neither male nor females, so we have all that in us. It just depends which which one is our challenge in life. But everyone like attachment for a woman like I love my grandchildren, and I want to see them, and I want to be around them, and I know that it's, it's an attachment, because they're so pure, and they're so, I don't have a lot of reasons they're so, so, yeah, they're so, like, they've just come and I love new bonds, because when you see a newborn, you're like, this one has just come from the connection with the Divine and And that is why we are pulled. It's the purity, the love, the beauty, and that's what we need to become. We need to be the magnet to attract. We need to have that love and that so much that people want to come to you and then you can share, then you can because that's the purpose to be childlike again, to be innocent. So it's it's ego and attachment our biggest I mean, the anger and greed and lust are the other visible but anger also comes because of expectations come also because of attachment. It's all attachment is the key, and the Gita and Brahma Kumari also mentioned this, Nash to Moha is the purpose to be detached. Nash to Moha means it's like when you say detach it, it has a connotation of not loving, no filled with love, but zero expectations and 100% acceptance.

Dr. Amarjit Kaur Doowa 47:01
Now we talked a little bit about, we talked about women and what they have dealing with, but with men, men suffer in in a different way being a man. There's things that we talk about not talk about there's things that we suffer from that we're not rarely allowed. We're rarely allowed to actually name it. What from your experience is the wound that men are suffering the most from in today's world, and that they're not allowed to say it, because, again, men have a very different rule set, depending on culture, obviously, but generally speaking, men have a very different, different rule set than women do, and that's in that scope

Dr. Amarjit Kaur Doowa 47:37
I look at, I'm here. I'm coming, I'll say very truthfully, from my community, Sikh community in Thailand, and Sikh communities worldwide, mostly because I'm born in this religion. So I'm brought up like that. I think the male has like a burden of sustaining and taking care of the leader of the clan, and that burden of making sure everyone is happy everyone is got enough, and more than enough to provide. I think the male has that. It's a male thing, that we need to be the provider, the one that and and in so being so lost in that role, they in our community. You at least have less time to to go even inside, to go inside and to have so it's men, actually, to me, very simple, if you're sweet to them and you give them love, and you love them truthfully, authentically, and allow them to just have the fun moments and be who they want to be, the way you have your time. They are quite but in general, power would be another thing that is a negative side, but the positive side would be the provider, the role of provider. Now tell me what about I want to know what is what you have in mind for you, like, what is it you would like to voice as your perspective?

Dr. Amarjit Kaur Doowa 47:18
Well, I mean, from what you just said, is very accurate. There is, there is a pressure. Again, culturally, it's different depending on the culture you come from in the world. But generally speaking, the man is a provider. He provides safety, he provides a roof over your head. The traditional way of going about things, there is a stress that is unspoken about when it comes to men, about that it's just a given, and then they're not allowed culturally. And again, I'm speaking from my side. I come from a Latino culture, so the West and Latino cultures in general, we're not allowed to express emotion. We're not allowed to touch the softer side of ourselves. We're not allowed to talk about the feminine side of ourselves, because that, in a very old school macho way, shows weakness where in actuality is shows much more strength to ask for help, much more strength to say, I don't know

Dr. Amarjit Kaur Doowa 49:13
What I loved. I just heard sister Jenna the other day, one of my one of the people I like to listen to, she's in the USA, and from the Brahma Kumaris. And she said something very beautiful that Don't waste this intellect in thinking of others, and what is not nice or not okay, in what anyone is doing, because that's negative and it it's taking your thought and depleting it. Because we are thought power. Power is through thought. So when I stay in my union, I'm empowering, and in that union, when I'm empowering, I just see everybody, everyone is playing a role perfectly, exactly in divine will. And this is something I have to keep reminding myself when I face the challenge, if someone is screaming at me or being unfair to me, or stolen something for me, or if my my husband's business goes down the drain, or he's been faced with court cases, or something his brother wants that's not fair. Everything is perfect. Thy will be done is not and what we do, we get distracted, even as spiritual beings, even as me, as one who is awakened, we get distracted. We get distracted. We do tend to judge. And you know, because that's how we've been brought up. You know, it's not easy to remove the sanskars and the the what has been imprinted in my system in this lifetime. And that's what's more upfront the other lifetimes imprints as well. And we've got lots of lifetimes of crap, because it's the Iron Ages we were very far. That's why the cycle of time is very, very important to understand. We are very far from the Golden and Silver ages, but we are coming there. And what I liked about your sessions, when you talked about these, there's two sides to what I hear you say, and I agree totally, is one side is the the end of the cycle of time coming as we all can see it and feel it, and the awakening of the souls that are going to be awakened and connect in order to help the transition the awakened souls and the ones that do the connection are the ones that are going to tip the tipping point. There's a tipping point for the change to happen. So the beautiful world is coming. And the technology, the scientific technology, of today, that has advanced, if we think about it, so much in 100 years that it never advanced in 1000s of years. And it's the same human brain and the same human mind. How come? Because in this 100 years days, the confluence age, which is divine interception, and divine interception is, this is the time of God Himself and direct union, and this is the time that it's his role to change the world, so the worst and the best are going to meet, and the best will win. So you see, it's the tipping point when you understand the cycle of time, the confluence age, and that when Jesus said, I will come, and when Nirvana will happen. So it's coming, and it's going to be in our lifetimes and not too far away, right?

Alex Ferrari 51:31
Exactly. It's part of the from, from what I've understand and study, the Yuga cycles. The Yuga cycle is like, according to the gurus of Yukteswar, Babaji and so on, that we are passing the Dark Ages. Was the bottom of this. We start off enlightened at this time of the age, then we go down, and now we're starting to go back up, and we're starting to come up to be enlightened. It's the changing of the cycles.

Dr. Amarjit Kaur Doowa 48:04
But you know, let me tell you, I say the truth because I got, okay, I the part of the story that I haven't told you about my life is the magical part is when I did, yeah, when I was doing the six scriptures in depth, and I went very deep, and there was no turning back that one year never ended within few months. So many people came my way to help me understand and grow, and yet I saw the different opinions of one sentence of the scriptures. So I also understood that people can translate. Even the authentic words that I have in front of me are translated according to the mind of man, whoever that may be. So can you imagine Buddhas when we refer to Buddha scriptures, or anybody else's scripture? Christ years? Yeah, how many years, and it wasn't even authentically written by them and translations, and how many minds at play? So I'm i Wow that at least the six scriptures, we have the authenticity, but no one's understanding it. No one's living it. Which the man gets up at amrit Weil, and that's the first who come. The first who come means the first command get up at amrit vela, who's doing it. Very, very rare. You know, I was doing it from the six scriptures, because I was on a journey that I want to do it, and I want to experience, and I want to know why. I didn't know why. Then what happened along the journey is I found many things. Osho came my way, Sadhguru, Art of Living, the American Sikhs, which is yogi, bhajan, so many things. And I loved everything that came my way, and I grew and I grew, but one thing stayed with me, happiness. I was like you, because the six scriptures have a sentence that says that if you are there, I cannot be sad. Just kiss her. Upper to Swami so Duke Kesa pave, I cannot be sad if you were there, and I should talk to him, but I am sad and you, and I am connecting with you, and I'm getting up at amrit. What is missing? You know, it was that that thirst was so deep that I got sick. I was diagnosed with autoimmune and fibromyalgia, all that my physical body suffered. I went with and in that three months, I wasn't a basketball coach. I was very physically active and a mom, and always involved in community service and helping the world and sick leader and taking doing the spiritual camps for the youth in Thailand, 300 youth, you know, and traveling for you sick surveillance and camps all over the world. I was already doing something wasn't a thing, that whole thing needed to be filled when I sound when I did the first chapter, I just went into a random classroom that my friend said, let's go and do this course. And I'm like, I don't want to do any more courses. I'm not paying. And she said, No, no, this one is free, and free because I always thought free. I was felt like the My First Light meant that the truth cannot be bought. So it stuck with me that truth has to be given free. So I somebody is teaching free. So I just went. I said, Okay, it's convenient. It was nearby when I didn't expect anything. But when I and I won't say, the teacher was enlightened. She was new, so it had nothing to do with her, because later I realized that she was not even yet qualified to be a teacher, but she was new, but my message had to come. So when the chapter, who am I, everything started sitting in whatever I had read, who am I? I am a point of light. The sentence, man to jotsu pe from the scriptures which we read, and nobody understands I'm a point of light. I'm that living light. All that, the whole hour, she explained I was and then she said, Tomorrow, we will talk about who is God? And I'm like, No, I'm not going. I want to hear this today, you know? And so I got together 1314, girls. We went to do this together, and I looked at all of them. Can we come tomorrow? I can't wait. It one week, you know, and the teacher was willing, and not, can we do it now? And she said, Okay, I'll do who? And she did, who is God, the second chapter of the basic course. And oh, my God, I left that day, and the next morning, my amrit vela was what I I suddenly understood and knew everything. It was like, wow. So I had that the connection. I learned how to connect, in spite of having read the Scripture, six scriptures at that time for 13-14, years, and with depth in each word translated and living it and reading it and listening on cassette players eight hours a day, and giving up being a teacher because my spiritual thirst was so high that I had to give up being a teacher because I didn't have time to take care of my children, my house, my family and social life as well as spirituality. So I had to give up something. And luckily, my husband is the owner, and he's the provider, so I was already getting enough from him. I was just working because, you know, it came my way, and why not everybody works, even I want to work, and my in laws had not allowed me to work. So when I got a chance, I work, so I gave that up. But it was not easy, because there's a lot of and one year it took me, I used to look at the newspapers, looking for part time. It was not easy, but I was clear from inside that I need the because I understood that the purpose of life is only spiritual and only you, and I needed time for that. So it was my awakening moment. So that union and that connection, that that changed everything. And of course, when I went to do the other chapters, which I told her, I'm coming tomorrow. I can't wait one week. And I did it in three days, two, two chapters, two to three chapters in three days, I finished the Brahma Kumaris basic course. And after that, I was so happy with everything. I was in a cocoon for like, few months. I didn't need to go out of the house. I didn't only go to the center and just listen and come back. I was so, I was oh, I was digesting, and it was amazing, you know? So this, what was the question? You know, I got so carried away in my explanation.

Alex Ferrari 50:45
I don't even know what I was well, I'm completely involved. I forgot what we started

Dr. Amarjit Kaur Doowa 48:04
No, yeah, no, because, you know, this is very important where, okay, I was talking about what's happening now, yes, in the Brahma Kumaris. Because, you know, the Brahma Kumaris is not a religion and not a sect or a cult. It's just universal spirituality, and it's a university. So I actually put a sign outside my house universal spiritual University. And sometimes my children says, Mom, why are you with the Brahma Kumaris via Sikhs? And I'm like, Look, when you go to uni, you go to your university. Do you have to leave your religion to go to it? No, right? They said, this is a university, but it's a university of the spirit, and I'm a teacher of this university. It's a university of the spirit, and it's because of that, and it's that's why it's an on the advisory board of the United Nations. It was one of the university's foundations involved in the setting up of world peace, and it has been having that message for since 1936 so 100 Years of confluence age. So it's already going to be 2036, only 10 years left. So there is the Brahma Kumaris. If you understand the word Brahma, have you heard of Brahma? Do you know? Like, what is Brahma?

Alex Ferrari 1:03:43
Tell it to the audience,

Dr. Amarjit Kaur Doowa 1:03:47
Okay, Brahma, in the scriptures and in the six scriptures and everywhere, is referred to as the creator. Brahma is the Creator. Vishnu is a sustainer, and Shankar is the destroyer. Brahma is the creator, and he's always shown as an old man, you know, because we can't, how do we show the Creator? So we make images. And that's one thing, being in a sick religion, I was very happy about that. I never meditated or connected with an image of a human being, never, because it was very clear, no idol worship. So that's one saving grace. But on the other hand, I also was very clear that it's not, it's not the pages of a book that makes it sacred. You know, it's not the page. This is, by the way, this is the job, just that I translated, and it's up there, one big copy during the time I was sick before I found the truth, I had already translated the jab Ji sab in depth, and I never printed this till seven years after, when I got the divine call to look at it, and I was shocked at what I knew. But coming back to Brahma, the creator, so why is Brahma Kumari? Is the founder. Was an old man, a normal human being, a diamond dealer, rich man who was dealing with jewels for the Queen of England. That rich, that influential. But in a small village in India, he had many gurus, 1011, gurus. He had many gurus. He was a Hindu, a Sindhi. Sindhi also has a bit of Guru Nanak, but more Hindu, he was worshiping Narayan. So when he randomly, you know, you do all this channeling and the spirits entering, and the channeler speaks this man, Lake Raj, became the channeler of God, the divine, not a messenger, not guru, Nanak, not Jesus, not Buddha, not any of the angels. And he didn't know because he was alone. I mean, you think you're going mad, you hear these voices in your head. And, and he, he, I don't even know what he went through, because how much he must have gone through. But the messages were so clear and and the words kept telling him that you don't have to worry about anything. I will do everything. So he relaxed slowly, and he just let it. And everything happened happened. And from today, from one man, there's Brahma Kumaris centers, which are classrooms all over the world in over 141 50 countries. And in India, it's almost in every street. You know, everybody. Sister, Shivani. I don't know if you've heard of her. Gadi Janki was the head, one of the head of the Brahma Kumars, was tested as the most stable mind in the world. When they had a scientific test done on the Dalai Lama and all this huge spiritual beings, her mind was the most stable in the world at that time when it was tested scientifically, she was one of the leaders. But what I'm trying to say about Brahma is when the divine, because this is a channel that I can speak the truth and I can be talk about channel and we talk about things that nobody else talks about. I'm going to say it, the Divine Spirit enters the body of this old man called Lake Raj at the age of 60, and he so when, whenever he shares the messages, the will of God, God's instructions, tells him your name is Brahma, so that it's Brahma I'm using to share the message, you become Brahma. You're not Lake Raj. You're Lake Raj. But when I'm in you, it's your brahmana. You are my mouth. You're my mouthpiece. You're my bhagirat. Means the fortunate the exact meaning of Bhagirath is the fortunate vehicle, okay? And it's the words mentioned in all the scriptures. So when Brahma speaks, it's God's words speaking. And we, today in the Brahma Kumaris, are hearing the words of God directly every day he's left the body because he completed his journey after 33 years, he became an angel from a from a person his he writes of his state of mind before this happened, he said, I used he was like us, like me, like you, we he had these things that, why I have anger, Why I have attachment? Why I feel sad? Why? Why am I? He had all these things going on in his mind, like a normal man, like a normal human being, and it was not easy for him. From a diamond dealer. He gave up everything for, I mean, yeah, he had to, because it was in him and guiding him and to and but his journey wasn't easy. Can you imagine, in those days, they took them to court, even that blasphemy kind of thing. So a lot of things happened, but the Brahma Kumaris has come out through all that, and today it's one of the most spiritually and acclaimed universal forums that and I going there as a student. I'm one of the students of anybody can go. A beggar can go, any religion, uneducated, educated, poor, anyone can go, because it's that's what truth is. Is for all equally free, and it's free. It's always free. If you have, you put in the box to help further so that the university can grow. There's always box at the side. But there's no asking for how much or give this man. There's no like when you go and do any of the courses, sorry, out of living, I had to pay 10,000 baht. Or when I went here, I have to pay this. When you attend the live session of somebody, you have to pay nothing. You just and I am a teacher, and this is my classroom, I'll show you. And this is the, sorry, okay, I'm opposite the vision of point of light. This is me and the divine. It's not just the divine, it's me soul, soul and supreme soul. So supreme soul is also soul, tiny beyond. Beyond body, beyond matter, invisible to the naked eye, but can see it in your mind, because, you know, the mind can travel at the speed of lightning. You're here, and you're in America, and you're in the Niagara Falls, and you're in the Statue of Liberty, and you can be in Egypt. It's here. That's the speed of thought. So the speed of connection with the Divine is also like this. It's one second you get less than a second you can connect and be empowered. That's the beauty. So it's it's all here. So all these messages, all this what I'm sharing with you, and how my six scriptures all got revealed to me and and I can use it to give the truth, because now I'm connected. And I found the direct words that make me understand the scriptures, which is already beautiful and true, but nobody is understanding it and translating it correctly or in in the way that will empower you, you know. So here, I found that and and here, and I listen every day what happens is and the you know how the sentence begins every day when He speaks to you, sweet, sweet soul, long lost now found because we are long lost from him, and now we found it and and when he says sweet soul, he tells us, then You need to say that to every soul you meet, whether they are sweet or not, they are sweet, and whether you are sweet or not, he finds you sweet because you're his child. We are all his children, whether we are wrong or we are right or we are thieves or we are killers or we are whatever roles we are playing, we are all equally precious children of God. Imagine So, even if you are, if you have bombed somewhere, or you have done such a big crime, and you go and sit, you are still a child of God, and that's the story of the masters like anguli Mal with Buddha and Sanjay with Guru Nanak. He used to chop people's heads and anguli Mali to kill people. But when they met the Enlightened Masters, they changed, and they became saints. So we don't look at people as bad. They are playing their role, just like a movie. You're a direct movie. The villain is not a villain. He's playing a role. So if we see this whole life as the sage, and we are the actors, and the script is already there, we are just playing it. We chose this script. The script is pre stepped, so we are flowing. We actually think we have choices. These choices were already pre made, and that's why deja vu everything. So we How do I know all this is because I'm hearing his words every day. If I don't listen to his words every day, the connection will not happen. The connection will not stay. I will not be able to stay in power. So his words daily, but like I was telling you, Brahma, he left the body 18 January. So in a few days, 18 January is the day of angels. He didn't leave a body and come into another mother's womb, as we all usually do, because this is the end of the cycle of time. So this is actually our last lifetime in this cycle of time, all of us, but he became an angel. He's one of the angels now that we talk about the angels out there, and they are advanced souls that are angels, and we know that. So when I listen to you, Alex and all the other people, I am amazed that even beyond the institute that God Himself has created this Brahma Kumaris, how he's still he's created this institute for a reason to wake up people as masses. And the Brahma Kumaris is huge. But it doesn't mean that his work is not going on elsewhere. It's also happening at the same time everywhere. So that makes me wow, that, yeah, this is true. Truth. Can I never felt that if Guru Nanak is God and He's stuck in one place in a human body, what about the people in Africa and Australia and New Zealand, you know, so cannot be restricted in time in body. So Divine is beyond time and body. So he never restricted himself in the body of Brahma. He would come, speak, leave, come speak, leave, like that. So it was a vibration point, and he can his speed of vibration is beyond our the soul, speed of vibration is beyond thought, beyond ability to even understand or comprehend, because God can be with all eight, 9 billion souls at the same time in the same second, if you think of him, and if you connect to him, that's his speed,

Alex Ferrari 1:14:56
And that's just on this planet. Let's not even talk about the rest of the universe.

Dr. Amarjit Kaur Doowa 1:14:59
Oh. You. Thank you for mentioning that. You know I love that you know because I had one person who came here from the Philippines, Master del pay. And again, I don't know how they find me. I say, I'm just a woman in Thailand. I'm just a mother and a housewife. And he came, and he came to my home somehow, and he told me, and I said, I said, I'm, I'm so I have a nerve I fell down so my nerves are pressed my backbone, and also, I was also paralyzed. That's another magical story at one point, and how I got okay was again. Anyway, he came and he he talked about, to me, the first live person to meet that is dealing with Akashic records and people beyond this universe and the multiverse and and he looked at me, and he said, you don't have A master on Earth. And I and I I knew that, and I was surprised. And he said, You, but You, if you have your it'll be better for your progress if you had because you don't have a master on Earth. And I understood that, because my master's God direct, and he's not on Earth, so, but he didn't know that. He didn't know that. And I did try to share. But anyway, so it was, it was a he was in an even dealing with other realms. He was channeling with other realms. And I appreciated that. So it was like we were talking on the same wavelength. And I hear that when you speak with the channel, channels that you all the channels that you've had, and all the different amazing souls. I hear that, but I so I and I feel that, and I relate to that. But when someone does come and say, there's no, God is very clear, and I am in union with Him, and I hear his words every single day. And we have 100 years out of which only 10 years are left. And 18th January is the day of angels, and we celebrate it when I say 10 years I left is 10 years for Golden age to be in full existence. So the destruction is going to take place, the change all that is happening now, and I don't know how, and I don't know how long I this body of mine will remain. But I'm ready. I'm ready, but I'm not ready. I'm ready because I know I don't have to fear but I'm not ready because I know that I need to leave the body in a in a purer version of me, in a better version of me. My goal is not achieved. I'm not yet an angel in the body.

Alex Ferrari 1:17:47
I know that, as they always say, everybody wants to go to heaven, but just not right now.

Dr. Amarjit Kaur Doowa 1:17:54
Oh no, no, no, I'm for me. It's not even that. It's not even that I'm not involved in my world and in my work. That is not important for me. It's what people are saying is different. They say that because they're happy, the new souls are happy. They have their money, they're traveling so they don't want to go to heaven, because they're happy. Here, it's heaven on earth here, yeah, for many it is. But if you look around, heaven on earth isn't about you being happy alone. It's about every heaven on earth is every single soul is equal, in money, in mind, in in beauty, in everything, and everyone is conscious. I'm a soul playing a role every single soul. And so that makes the earth beautiful, the waters of the sea not salty. You can drink the water. You can drink. You know, you don't have you don't need cats. You don't need to cook everything. So you don't need to eat so much. You're so so Heaven is beyond description. A lot of magical stories in the Brahma Kumaris and I would like to invite you to one of our peace of mind retreats, which is for international guests and the right now, whoever is the main speakers are there, and I'm one of the guides that I take people to this seven days peace of mind retreat. It's just a glimpse, a meeting of a like minded people, or spiritual people who want to know more, or and the ones who are there who know and are awakened and full of enlightened souls who are still on the journey. You know, let me tell you something that shattered my belief. Okay, I thought once we found God. That's it. That's enlightenment, and that's it. Little did I know that finding God, knowing God, meeting God, is the start of my journey to purity, start of my journey to being able to become the best version of myself. And that's full of challenger.

Alex Ferrari 1:20:03
Of course, of course, Karen, it has been such a pleasure talking to you. Where can people find out more about you and the amazing work you're doing in the world?

Dr. Amarjit Kaur Doowa 1:20:10
I think I'm not a public I mean, I'm a public figure by default. I don't have a website and stuff like that. I never bothered about these things. I'm just a mother, but my name Amarjit Kaur Doowa, which is A, M, A, R, J, I, T, many people sell spell Jeet with the e, e, t, Amarjit Kaur Doowa, K, A, U, R, D, O, O, W, A, my full name, I'm on Facebook. I'm on YouTube. YouTube, I have beautiful things that, as a non technical person, I haven't hired anyone and so it's just uploads of my voice with a picture. I'm not good technically, but, and, of course, Instagram on my name, okay, but I want to say something, Alex, I'm making a movie, and that's why, when you say you're a director, and I'm going to show you that movie, not only to show you as an end product, I would like your input as well, because the movie I'm about to make is entertainment. It's not documentary. It's very entertaining. It has to be because I want to touch the unawakened, and I want to touch the youngsters and the children and the working people who are lost in just working and earning. I want to touch all that about with Ferrari through a movie, because we all like to see movies, right? Yeah. So making a movie, and it's going to be on this eternally victorious journey through time, the souls eternally victorious journey through time. Yeah, we are eternally victorious, by the way. Whether So, whoever anywhere in the world. Years you are bad or good, you will be victorious, because we all will go back to soul world by hook or by crook.

Alex Ferrari 1:21:47
Karen it has been, it's been an absolute pleasure talking to you. Thank you again. So much for for being on the show, your lovely wisdom, your story, and I appreciate everything you're doing to awaken this planet. So thank you again.

Dr. Amarjit Kaur Doowa 1:22:00
Yeah, and don't forget. If I have to leave one last message, I would say, please do the Brahma Kumaris basic course, which is seven chapters plus one bonus chapter, the eight powers once in your life. Give it a shot. There's no harm. You will not lose anything, not a penny, literally, and you will lose nothing. You will only gain or not gain. So please do the seven hours. This is my line. If I die today, what I would want the world to hear from me is do the Brahma Kumaris Raj yoga. It's called Raj yoga, seven hours, basic cost. Om Shanti, I am a peaceful servant.