Channeling Our Lady of Guadalupe with Debbie Griggs

Alex Ferrari 0:00
So how did Our Lady of Guadalupe kind of start working with you?

Debbie Griggs 0:05
This is where she came in, really, really strong. I have a beautiful friend, Alejandra, who is, you know, Mexican. If we allow ourselves to be in the blessing of it, then the blessing will come through. If you truly believe that the world is a mess, that's the truth.

Debbie Griggs 0:24
Because you would have to see it in that way if it's going to help you get into the space of no judgment. So when we are carrying stories fear, worry and doubt, which is our body, which is always someone else's story. There's massive, fantastic hope that's going on right now, even though people are saying no, and we get to choose that. We get to choose that. So she showed it to me as in two worlds.

Alex Ferrari 1:08
I like to welcome to the show, Debbie Griggs, how you doing Debbie?

Debbie Griggs 1:11
Hi, how you doing?

Alex Ferrari 1:13
I'm good, my dear, I'm good. Thank you so much for coming on the show. I'm I'm looking forward to our conversation, because you work as a you're a psychic, a psychic medium, or psychic.

Debbie Griggs 1:23
I don't want to say I'm a medium, because I help people find their blockages and finding truth, and I'll tell you about that a little bit later, but so I always seem to get the people that nobody wants to talk to because they're trying to help. The spirit is trying to help those people release blockages

Alex Ferrari 1:42
Got you so, but it's not like you see dead people, and it's not like you're talking to grandma. It is and it isn't?

Debbie Griggs 1:48
I do.

Alex Ferrari 1:49
Okay, but you don't consider yourself a medium?

Debbie Griggs 1:52
Well, because if I described it to myself, Yes, other people might not, because it's not a phone. I can't go, Okay, Grandma come through or uncle come through, you know?

Alex Ferrari 2:04
Got it got it. It's whoever happens to show.

Debbie Griggs 2:06
I try to do the mediumship. And people would be like, upset because they're like, Oh, you didn't get a hold of my you know. And I'm like, I'm sorry. That's the energy that's coming through.

Alex Ferrari 2:15
Exactly.

Debbie Griggs 2:17
Spirits that come, you know, two, three days beforehand, and then are in my room, and I'm like, you can leave. And they're like, Nope, I'm waiting.

Alex Ferrari 2:26
I got nowhere to go.

Debbie Griggs 2:31
Exactly.

Alex Ferrari 2:33
I've had a lot of psychics and mediums on the show. But what drew me to your work is that you work with Our Lady of Guadalupe a whole bunch, and I haven't had anybody who works with Our Lady of Guadalupe, so we're definitely going to dive into that a little bit as well. But first, you describe yourself as a non Cookie, cookie cutter psychic, yes, which I'd love. So what sets you apart from other traditional readings and other traditional psychics in that way.

Debbie Griggs 3:01
Um, I think a lot of things. First of all, I'm very kooky.

Alex Ferrari 3:06
Um, I'm feeling that energy from you, Debbie. I'm feeling the energy.

Debbie Griggs 3:10
Yeah, squirrel, squirrel squirrel. On there is, like, squirrel, squirrel, squirrel. Um, I don't, I'm not saying I'm better than anybody else. That's, of course, it's just different. But I don't believe in the Claires Spirit showed it to me like that's putting you in a box. And that's kind of left brain of Claire, this Claire, that clear, this clear that, because everything is in the is. So I was showing this on my near death. So, I mean, I could talk about that, but they're always talking about the is to me and being in the space of what people would say is probably the now, but they show it to me in different dimensional spaces. So I'm trying they download messages to me in the is of like, if I was above you and seeing what's going on, even if you don't want to know that truth or you, you're like, nope. And I've had this many a times, nope. I would never go to the coast because of a guy. And, you know, your readings terrible. And then I'm like, Okay, now I just go, okay, whatever. And then six months later, they call me up and go, guess what? I moved to the coast because of a guy. I'm like, oh, okay, you know, I mean, so I, I see it in a different perspective. They download it to me in a different perspective. And also, I don't read. I read the stories that are around people. Okay, what do you mean by that? What do you mean by that? Um, everybody has stories around them. And I didn't realize that I did this until I was probably about 39 and I was with a young gal, and this was in Washington, Arizona, state. I was in Washington. We were at a restaurant, and we're sitting like this, and we hear this manager yelling at a waitress, and I'm looking at her, of course, I'm reading her and and then I said to my friend, I go, Well, that's why is she yelling at her, just because she got in an argument with her husband last. Night, and they're debating if they're going to get a divorce, and I'm just sitting there, you know, reading, and my friend got so upset, she slammed on the table and said, Okay, Debbie, I have to tell you that we do not see that. And I'm like, you don't see the stories around people. You don't see the argument they had last night. Or, you know what I mean, it was like people carry your stories. So it's kind of like, if someone is I want to love her, Debbie, I want to love her. And then a lot of times I'll say, did you have a relationship three years ago, you know, with George? And they're like, Yeah. And I go, Well, his energy is in front of you. So when other guys are looking at you, they're seeing George's energy, because you're still carrying his story.

Debbie Griggs 5:42
Oh, that's fascinating. So it's kind of like, it's like the baggage is there, and other people can subconsciously pick up on that vibe. If you.

Debbie Griggs 5:52
Yes people, they do anyways. You do anyway. Nobody's told you that.

Alex Ferrari 5:58
Okay, I want to dig into this, because this is fascinating to me. So we all have baggage, all of us. We all carry around stuff with us, from our childhood, from our parents, from our ex relationships, from our jobs, whatever, and we always carry it. But you're saying that you're able to see these, this baggage around you, or these stories, as we call it, because they're baggage stories, same thing. But what you're also saying is the baggage that we're carrying with us is picked up by other people, everybody. So if you, if you're really hung up on this other person, let's say the love of your life that you can never have, or your ex, whatever, and you're hung up on that person, yes, then anybody new that comes in feels it, yeah, and it's hard, and it's harder for them to connect with you and and to build a relationship with you or anything like that, right? Because you're carrying around that story in your head.

Debbie Griggs 6:52
Yes. And the story is our body, and our body is our fear, worry and doubt.

Alex Ferrari 6:59
Continue.

Debbie Griggs 6:59
Okay, here we go. This is what was downloaded to me in my near death. And they you had a lady on your show, Donna, I don't know what her last name was. And I was like, yes, because she goes, I keep on getting downloads. And I'm like, she's the only person I've heard that gets downloaded after near death. You know what I mean? Yeah. And I'm like, I'm constantly getting downloads. And I thought, am I again being weird? Or, you know, what is it with me that I'm constantly getting downloads for the world, for other people, whatever? So the, okay, the universal source, I'm going to say it that way, instead of God, Buddha and all that stuff. So you know what I'm talking about. When I had my near death. They showed it to me that the space that I went to was the is space. And I was like, I don't understand what that means. And they said, well, the is space is there's no left, no right, no up, no down, no black, no white, no conscious, unconscious, it just is. And I was still kind of like, I don't understand that. So they're saying so they gave me a couple examples of one is the trees not going to the sun and going give me so much sun. It's not going to the dirt and going give me so much dirt, or going to the water, give me so much water. You know what I mean, the rain falls. It gets into the cloud. It falls. Did it up that's is, does that make sense? It makes sense. So they said that the IS is plural, which is universal, which is everything I am is singular. And so that's why a lot of times I'm not saying that I'm the know all do, all here. This is what they showed me. The I Am is your singular. It's almost like I am this. But everything is connected. Everything is an is so if you're just saying I am, you can't always connect to something that is in a another universal space. You get what I'm trying to say. Okay, so the is, I'm, it is, you are, is. So when we are carrying stories, fear, worry and doubt, which is our body, which is always someone else's story. So if we're in fear, worry and doubt, we're carrying bunch of stories, and that is going to be presented all around you.

Alex Ferrari 9:19
Fascinating that that now worries a lot of people watching like, Oh, God, I'm carrying all this baggage with me that that's Is that why I'm not getting a date? Is that why I'm not getting the job? Is that why? Because the

Debbie Griggs 9:30
I just release the blockages.

Alex Ferrari 9:33
right? And how do you release the blockages?

Debbie Griggs 9:35
Well, I mean, I could do classes and talk about all that and all that stuff, but releasing the block. Excuse me,

Alex Ferrari 9:42
Cliff note. Cliff note versions of it. Yes, yes.

Debbie Griggs 9:46
Um, okay, so releasing the blockages is not carrying someone else's story. We carry other people's stories. So let me give you an example. So when I can do readings, I'll give a person's age. And then a spirit will give me an age, and they'll say, I'll say, what happened around your life around this time? And I'll go, Oh, you're carrying your say, your mom's story. You're eight years old, and you're carrying your mom's story. I gotta write a little bit, because that's kind of how I work. So eight year old, you're carrying your mom's story. And why are you carrying your mom's story? Maybe because your mom never gave you that coddling or that love that you desired. So the eight year old will create a story, hoping and carry their mom's story of hoping that the mom will turn around and go, Oh, she's reacting to the world the exact same way I am. So come here. Let me cuddle you. We carry other people's stories because we are needing that acknowledgement, okay? Or we are giving our power to them. Does it make sense? So we think we're carrying we we're going to do our power so that we get this acknowledgement that the child of us is always been wanting and if and it will be in the subconscious. And a lot of times, we tell the eight year old us a story, okay, to protect myself, because I was brought up in a very abusive home, narcissistic parents. Yeah, it Yeah, crazy. So I'm sure that helped. And I I programmed them to be my parents so that I could be more intuitive, you know what I mean, but so I didn't get the acknowledgement from my father or my mother, so I would do what they wanted me to do, you know, be straight near all did it up. And you can tell my personality is like, wow, you know. And it's like, be quiet and, you know, I got funky hair. Is like hearing their story being straightforward. So then I'm wondering why I'm not allowing a good love life or a prosperity or good health, but I'll turn it around. Is because I'm carrying this story because I wanted my mom to turn around and cuddle me. Does it make sense? It makes perfect. And then we subconsciously keep on carrying it. It's okay to carry someone's story for a while if it's going to protect you, but we never go back to the story and say, Oh, reprogram. Reprogram. It's like I'm carrying an old computer with all these stories that I'm carrying, you know, I'm saying, and it's like, I need a new computer. So to release it is by releasing other people's stories, other people's fear, worry and doubt.

Alex Ferrari 12:34
It actually really connects with me when you said I need a new computer, because, you know, like, I have some older systems that I've kept forever because I'm like, Oh, just in case, I have to load something up from it or this or that. But it takes a minute to what do I need? Do I need this anymore? Can I just download what I need from that computer and save it in a newer system? Right? Get rid of the old system so I don't have to keep carrying it around with me.

Debbie Griggs 13:00
Right? So we're all carrying people's stories, because we're not in perfection. Jim saying, right, right, because, and that is what I'm connected to. So that's why I love, love helping people release the blockages so that they can bring whatever to them, because, but then that works on the other thing that I like to do is, you know, finding missing people or cold cases. So like, when I'm watching, like, 48 hours or 24 you know, watching these shows, I'm seeing the story around the people. I'm like, Oh, they're the ones, you know, they're the ones that did it. I even do it in movies The Sixth Sense. I didn't even see the movie. I I went to a friend and said, Oh, he's dead. And she's like, You haven't even seen the movie. And I go, Yeah, but I saw the commercial and I read it already. And she's like, Oh my god, Debbie. And my son gets so mad. He's like, could you just not tell us the end, mom? Okay. I'm like, okay, you know,

Alex Ferrari 13:57
I would kill you. I would kill Yeah, I would absolutely you ruining movies from a year. You're done. You're done.

Debbie Griggs 14:03
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But there's so you the desire, and then there's the dream, and then there's the reality to it. What I'm saying.

Alex Ferrari 14:12
I do, I do. That's fascinating. I've never actually heard a place like that before, but it makes a whole lot, a lot of sense. Um, now you come from a long line of intuitives and European intuitives, yes, in your side of the family. So when you were being raised, were you raised with this stuff around you or not?

Debbie Griggs 14:30
Well, it's kind of hard to explain it, Alex, because my mom had a little bit my and then my mom's mom my over Huda, Muda, I'm probably saying it wrong, because we're Dutch, from Holland. My parents and brother and sister were born in Holland. I was born in New Zealand, and then we came to America, okay, but I was just a little munchkin when I came to America. So anyways, my mom's grandmother, so that would be my great grandmother. Was very, very into. Of but at that time, she was living in Holland. And if you know Holland is, is basically under the sea. They, you know, they say God made the world, but the Dutch made Holland, you know what I mean, or the Netherlands, all right. So my, my great grandmother, is going around everybody, go up land. Go up land, up land. And it's, you know, blue skies and everything. And she's like, No, we need to go up land. We need to go up land. And then there was that massive flood before they did the gates. You know, I'm saying, so, of course, woo hoo. So it's, is it a bad thing or it's a good thing? It's like, okay, she was right, but then she must have the devil in her. Do you know what I mean, that kind of thing. So it's like a catch 22 kind of thing. Do you know, I'm saying?

Alex Ferrari 15:42
Gotcha, gotcha, but, but so when the when these abilities started to present themselves in a larger way, you weren't completely surprised, or you were, you were able to simulate it better than most. Did you have any understanding that you had, well, psychic lineage?

Debbie Griggs 15:58
See, the thing is, I remember my the first time spirit talked to me. I'm going to say spirit, really, it's our higher truth. And I can go on to that, that's another, you know. But I remember being in the crib, being very, very young, and saying, Don't cry, because remember, I was in a brought up in an abusive home, so and my dad was, you know, they were arguing, or whatever he's doing, and spirit's like, no, he's going to come over and he'll, he'll abuse you, just don't cry. And so I remember, so I was intuitive then. And my mom even said, she goes, you were the quietest baby. And I was just like, this, personality was quiet. You know, she's like, yep, you are the quietest baby, because I knew I already knew things. I already had that insight. I was born with it. And I believe in that. I believe everybody's born with your purpose, your ideas, your your light, or whatever. Can everybody be psychic, sure. Can everybody be intuitive? Sure. Can everybody be, you know, a basketball player, but I'm not Michael Jordan, you know what I mean. So that kind of thing, which a lot of people understand that. But like I said, I created, I carried a lot of stories, so because I didn't want to the abuse or whatever. But I remember being eight years old and knowing that I could live on my own, eight years old, and I ran away, and then I was and I knew it, because I know I did it in another lifetime, because we're living numerous of lifetimes. At one time, Jim saying so. So my insight in that time was like I could live on my own, but my dad chased me, and he said, I'd let you go, but I'm going to get in jail again, carrying someone's story if you leave, so you need to come home. I'm like, Okay, so the sooner chance I had, I left. Okay. Left home very young, but I always had that intuition to the point of, like when I was a teenager, I would come to the house and I literally stand at the door and go, Hmm, is my dad in a good mood or not in a good mood? Do I run to my bedroom or can I go into the living room? So it was already starting big time there. But when I was 12 years old, when I was a kid, from a kid to a baby, till I was 12, Spirit showed me world predictions, literally, world predictions. And at that time, we only had six channels. We didn't have the remote. You know what I mean? And my dad,

Alex Ferrari 18:37
I'm not as young as I look.

Debbie Griggs 18:39
Yeah.

Debbie Griggs 18:41
maybe Boomer here, you know what? I mean, it's like, you know. Okay, so, you know, Archie Bunker, my dad was Andre Burke, so we weren't allowed to watch TV or anything. But spirit would show me like a plane crash or an airplane crash, and then the next day it'd be on the news, you know, Walter Cronkite, you know? And so I was constantly showing predictions of like, this is going to happen, that's going to happen. I went to a Catholic school. I'm not Catholic now, but went to a Catholic school. So we came from, this is in the 60s. So I, I went to a Catholic school. So I had broken English. I was speaking Dutch. And then you got to think, in the 60s, it wasn't that far away from the War World War Two. So they were thinking we were German, so the nuns were against us, or whatever. So very

Alex Ferrari 19:35
Christ like, very Christ

Debbie Griggs 19:40
like, So, I'm trying to survive home. I'm trying to survive the nurses. And I get their point. When you go up to not nurses, but nuns, none. You go up to a nun and go, Hey, you were with the priest the other night. What were you doing with the priest? I thought you couldn't be with the priest, or did it? You know what? I mean, I was a kid, naive. I. Then you get beat up for it. Jim same, so when I was 12 years old, I I told the universe, God would or whatever I was like, I can't do this anymore. I can't do this anymore. I can't have these world predictions, seeing everybody's else's things that are going on. I'm trying to survive at home, and I folded it. You can't get rid of it, you can't turn it down, you can't turn it off, but you can fold it kind of like a blanket Jim, I mean, so I folded it, kind of probably put it in a Tupperware container and, you know, put it in there. So, so I had all that. Did it leak out some of the times? Yes, you know what I mean, through my life, but, but then, then it reimbursed itself, and it exploded after I had my second MD. So, yeah,

Alex Ferrari 20:53
and you, you said you've died. So there's two MDS. Can you? Can you dive into a little bit about both of those? Okay,

Debbie Griggs 20:59
so the first one I had. Again, I moved out of the house. And this is in Arizona. I moved out of the house. My parents went on a trip. They came back. I was gone, and so I was like, 1617, something like that, okay, and at that time, you could get an apartment for 75 bucks a month. You don't need it. Was not like nowadays, so I could afford to move out. People would be like, right move out is like, yeah, it's like, sneak, sneak. And I was working two jobs. I was working at a car wash. Was the first girl at the car wash, and I worked at the Hilton and I worked with a lot of the movie stars, because there was a Tucson studio that was down in the Sequoia National Park. You know, there's that the old Tucson studios. I don't know if you know what I'm talking about, but I used to drive they used to stay at the Hilton, and I used to drive them to the studio. I even, you know, did lines with them and all that stuff. So here I was working, like two, three jobs. I got in a car accident. It's 110 degrees out, I'm riding a bike, and I got so sick. I don't know what I had, and this might be a little gross, but I passed out in the entryway of the Hilton, and I had stuff coming out of my mouth. I you know, I was very, very sick. So they brought me to the hospital, and to the point that they thought I was, you know, was a goner, and to the point they even put me in a thing of ice. I sat in a thing of ice for a while. And so they were showing me at that time. I don't, I don't remember it until now, because they're bringing back a bunch of things that have happened to me when I was around that age, or when I was around 1617, 18, that they were showing me the choices that I was making, the choices that I did make, the choices that I wanted to make, and if I was going to take the high road or a low road, it's kind of like that song, you Know, I take the high road and you take the low road, and we'll meet in Scotland together. So they were showing me that you could take the high road with the challenges and all the lessons. Does a low road have them? Yes, but it's not as dramatic. It's like that kind of thing. So they were showing me at that time, I

Alex Ferrari 23:18
don't mean to, I don't mean this, that is that, but you need to learn how to open up a little bit closed off. You're not. You're not.

Alex Ferrari 23:27
I love your energy. It's just like, boom, I just love your energy so much. So continue. Continue. Thank you.

Debbie Griggs 23:34
This is like I said, Because you baby, sure, right, yeah. So I like Joy. Joy is the highest vibration. They told me, yes, it is. I like being in joy. So they showed me and in that thing, the second one I had, I'm going to give you a little bit of backstory so you can kind of understand what they were showing it to me. So I was living in Washington. I was working at Hewlett Packard. I was quality control. I could make, I could find mistakes a mile away, to the point that even engineers would be like, we can't find this problem. I wonder why I was so intuitive, but I, you know, because I folded it and I put it in that, you know, package, right? So I met my husband. He's an atheist, doesn't believe in any of this, um, He supports me, but he doesn't believe in any of this still.

Alex Ferrari 24:29
Yeah. Oh, fantastic.

Debbie Griggs 24:31
My third husband, I've been married three times, but we're being married for, uh, going on 24 years. You know what I mean? Um, so And maybe that's the way it's supposed to be. So. Anyways, he's an atheist. Then we moved to Montana, and my dad, my real dad, built a log cabin and so, and my mom's step her husband, my stepdad, passed away, so we bought the cabin to help her. Out. So here it is. We're in Montana, in the middle of nowhere, the nearest Walmart, Kmart, Target, whatever, is an hour and a half away. One neighbor is half, I mean, an hour and a half away, and then my neighbor is a half a mile, nobody in front of me, mount behind me, and then just a neighbor here. The nearest towns are, like, 15 miles away. It's a very, very, very religious town, not against religion, but, you know, the later Day Saints, very, very religious. So here me being intuitive. I mean, I had people chasing me down the road, going, you are that? You know the devil, yes. So I hibernated, right? I hibernated and and I worked at an archery place, and I don't even hunt, like, what the heck, Debbie, you know, what are you doing? So I had, I had a problem with my uterus. It was three times the size it was supposed to be. That's a long story on that, but I go to the hospital and I had kind of a quack for a doctor. It was on a Friday. She did the surgery. It was supposed to be like an hour, or whatever, two hours it took up to four to five, and then she took off. So I come back into the hospital, I'm turning gray. My hair is even turning gray. People are like, you can't have gray hair. It's like, oh, no, you can, because I've been there, done that to the point nobody came to check on me. So then this doctor comes by, and he goes, You're not my patient, but something told me to come in here and look at you. He looks at me, and he goes, ooh, something's wrong. And so they took a blood test, and I almost lost half my body of blood. Okay, so they gave me six transfusions. So then they take me into surgery, emergency surgery. So it's, of course, it's a Sunday, so they gotta call everybody bring me into the surgery. And when I was in the surgery, and I'm just going to try to do a little bit of short thing, I I didn't go through a tunnel. I didn't go through anything. I just had gold glitter around me, and it was pitch black. Gold Glitter, the most joyous, beautiful energy that you can think of in the world, or frequency in the world. And this like frequency and vibration, but I'm going to call it an entity, because otherwise you're not going to understand what I'm saying. Comes up and shows me a bunch of things, alright, and I don't want to go through all of it, because it could be a long story, but she was that I'm going to say it was female, even though there is no gender. But I felt it was feminine, because my heart chakra was destroyed, and I think that frequency knew I needed some coddling, I needed some love before, you know, to to get into this space. And she's the one that showed me the I is not the I Am. She showed me that our bodies are made of fear, worry and doubt. That's why it stays here in the three dimensional space, and it doesn't go into the other dimensional spaces that we can be, that we are all connected together. She showed it to me in a beautiful, beautiful way, because I like architecture, I like history, I like music, I like clocks. So they showed it to me like the Big Ben, and that they showed me the backside. And she said, every little screw, every little dial, every little thing needs to be here to make that clock work, and that's how the world works. So everybody has a purpose. It could be big, it could be small. But then she also told me, because of my parents, my grandmother and lived in Holland at the time, my mom's mom was alive at that time, and then my aunt was living in New Zealand, so she showed and I was like, What do you mean? And so she showed it to me. As I call my mom, my mom calls her grandmother in Holland, she said one word can change the world, a yes or a no, a positive or a negative perception is what's changes the world. And I'm like, okay, so then she showed it to me again, me saying something to my mom, my mom calling my aunt in New Zealand, and then she's telling other people. And I said, Well, what are we trying to what are we trying to create? And she said, No, judgment. We go on to the 3d dimensional world of the world in this space to be, to be not in the judgment space. If we had no judgment, she said, we'd have peace on earth perception and judgment. So allow everybody to have your own perception. Everybody to have no judgment. Okay? And then she showed me a bunch of other stuff too. Downloaded me a bunch of stuff. But at towards the end, she's like, like this. And I'm like, what? And she goes, you put it in your chart, that you're supposed to be intuitive. And I'm like, Okay. And she goes, Are you going to do your chart? And I'm like, What do you mean? And she's like, you're supposed to be doing readings, you're supposed to be helping other people. You're supposed to be using your insight. You're foreseen. That's why we gave it to you, since you were a child. And I'm like, oh. And then, so why aren't you doing it right? And so she showed and I said, Well, she goes, you can choose, you can choose to stay here or you go back, and I'm like, Hmm, and so, and this is all happening within seconds, okay, and so, then I said, Well, let me see the world, see, let me see my family how it's going to affect them if I die. So they, you know, show my husband my daughter. Then they showed my son. And I was like, damn it, because it was just me and my son. And that's, you know, he was born with a lot of birth def. Now he's fantastic, but we went through hell and high water together, because the first year of his life he was in the hospital, and basically it was just me and him, you know what I mean. And so then they showed me my son's eyes, and I was like, Oh crap. So then, you know what I mean, I was just like, damn it. And so I came back, and then she came back to me again, like I said, downloaded to me when I was sleeping, and she said, Why aren't you speaking your spiritual truth? I'm like, What? What the heck does that mean? You're supposed to help other people find their spiritual truth? And I'm like, What the Bleep and bleep. What does that mean? And then she's like, bye. And so then they just keep on downloading me this information, of like the story thing and being i is, and that kind of thing. So I it is in my chart, just like it's in your chart and everybody else's chart of what we're doing. She said that to help people get into their to their chart is what gives you joy. Because joy is the highest vibration. She said, even higher than love.

Alex Ferrari 31:54
Interesting, that's fascinating. So that's a hell of a journey so far. It's a hell of a journey you've gone through so far. So how did Our Lady of Guadalupe kind of start working with you? Because I've, I've had hundreds of channels on the show, lot of psychic mediums, and I've never had one person bring in Our Lady of Guadalupe. And you know, being of Latino descent, I'm not Mexican, but being of Latino descent, I know who she is. I know she's very important in the Mexican, Mexican culture. So how does the lady who was born in New Zealand, who has Dutch ancestors, believe

Debbie Griggs 32:39
it or not, even though I have this blonde hair and these really bright blue eyes, my mom's dad, I his family came from Spain. Okay, sure, sure. So they call it the black Dutch or whatever. And I think from my dad's side, I think some of it came from Africa, so we've got a little bit of that in there. Oh,

Alex Ferrari 32:59
my DNA. Oh, yeah, I come from Spain too. It's yeah, I get it. Yeah, I get it. I get it. So generally speaking, though, culturally, Our Lady of Guadalupe right now is not in the current incarnation. So how did that connection happen? And how did she come in? And how do you work with

Debbie Griggs 33:18
her? Okay, so how she came in was my son was in college. This is where she came in. Really, really strong. I have a beautiful friend, Alejandra, who is, you know, Mexican and, and, believe it or not, I'm born on, on the Day of the Dead. Kind of funny, November, size, connecting to people, because the girl that slammed the table, she was Mexican also. So it was like I was always collecting, you know, Hispanic, Spanish friends, whatever. And I don't know if it was for them, for the body of me to get into that frequency, but I was praying for my son, even though I'm not religious, but I do believe in that you can be in the frequency of allowing you know these entities to come to you. So I was praying for my Son, and Spirit says, you need to, you need to call on Guadalupe. And I'm like, I don't know anything about her. And they said, No, she's the mother of all children, so you need to call on her to help you connect, and she will help you and your son and And boy, did she help my son. So it made me believe in her, the body of me believe in her. You know, I'm saying so, because there was a situation that happened and that I was praying for him and and it was like he had to be his own individual self, and this happened. And so then, then she said, I now, I want to work through you. Okay, do I know all the stories that society. Says that it's about her, nope, not one story. Do I know what her frequency and vibration and sound and water sounds like and feels like, You betcha. Okay. And so she's in the Guadalupe comes and works with us, as in, like I said, like a mother vibration, but I feel like it's more in a bigger space, because she presents herself to me always in a cave, like she's got a cave over her. Do you know me and and that we are the ones that are supposed to send the love and the joy and the happiness and the frequency and the perception and the no judgment out into the world. So it's almost like she's the she's like the pump jimine, or she's the thing that's doing the water so that we get electricity. Does that make sense? Connecting to it's like plugging into her to help us do this

Alex Ferrari 36:04
interesting. That does make sense. So when you work with her, is she's just working on, like, session by session, or is it like she's constantly working with you? How is it? How does it work with

Debbie Griggs 36:13
her? Sometimes she lays low, you know, like, kind of like a fly a fire, you know what I mean, underneath the needles. And you're thinking, Oh, she's gone. I'm not working with her anymore. But then all of a sudden, a client or some situation comes up, and then she fires up again and says, You need to connect with me and let me help you in that way, especially like I said, if it's around, if I'm praying for people around the world, it's, she's always, always, I get it that we're all children, but if it's connected to children in any form or format, she rises very, very big in that she's very adamant about children and even pets. So

Alex Ferrari 36:57
what is, what is Our Lady of Guadalupe message or thoughts on what is happening in the world today, around all of the things you just said, but just in general, humanity and what we're doing, and the chaos that seems to be going around right now, and the instability and all of that stuff. I'd love to hear her thought, because all the wars and stuff, children and animals are.

Debbie Griggs 37:21
They chose to be in the war. We chose to be in that war. They chose karmically, again, the wheel. They chose to be. This is going to really sound crude, and I don't know if I'm how I'm going to say this. I'm going to ask her to help me with this. You're, we're supposed to have, we're, we're supposed to have that demise, so that we have a reaction, so that we can because truth is being shown right now, okay, and truth is being shown, and the people are wanting to show the truth right now because of us splitting into the two worlds that are coming, that is happening now. And it's, it's our, it's in our program to so that we can be in the space of no judgment and see all perception.

Alex Ferrari 38:29
Okay, so what is her vibe on what's going on right now? What is her message for people? Her message is,

Debbie Griggs 38:36
know that everything is the truth.

Alex Ferrari 38:39
Okay, can you dive in a little deeper to that

Debbie Griggs 38:42
if you truly believe that the world is a mess, show that's the truth, because you would have to see it in that way if it's going to help you get into the space of no judgment.

Alex Ferrari 39:02
Mm, hmm, okay, that one, I'm a little confused about, okay, so,

Debbie Griggs 39:08
so, so she could show us. So I feel like the world is, you know, falling apart. And did it now, we got this war. Say, we got a war in a little section. So she's going to, and I'm, I'm just looking at the war, and I'm just looking at the suffering, what, what people, what we call suffering, but it's really not suffering. See, that's the thing, where it could be really crude, is she's like, they're not suffering, even though the body is suffering, but the spirit of them is not suffering. It's really going,

Alex Ferrari 39:37
Yeah, I understand, because I understand what you're saying, yeah. I get you. Yeah. So, alright, so is, is there any any messages of hope that she has for

Debbie Griggs 39:47
us? Fantastic hope. There's massive, fantastic hope that's going on right now, even though people are saying no, and we get to choose that. We get to choose that. So she showed it to me as a. In two worlds of of that we get to choose if, like I said, if we want these challenges, or we want these lessons to help us to get into that peace and harmony and no judgment. So there's again, it's kind of like the high road and the low road. Are you going to choose to you're going to have a lot more challenges or lessons, or maybe even seeing the poverty or whatever. But because of those lessons, it helps you get into a higher vibration or frequency, or a sound or water, into a higher dimensional space where there is is less and less and less and less judgment. Does it make sense? So I'm going to give you an example. This is when I was and they just downloaded this information to me. She just downloaded this information to me, you know, couple weeks ago. And maybe it's because I'm supposed to say this on the show, who knows? And it kind of it was like what, you know, I was even I split myself in two. There's the psychic Debbie or the intuitive Debbie. And then there's the Debbie Debbie, right? So the Debbie Debbie is like, damn. And the psychic Debbie's like, Yeah, whatever. You know what I

Alex Ferrari 41:10
mean, Debbie, how many cups, how many cups of coffee have you had today? And

Debbie Griggs 41:13
maybe one.

Debbie Griggs 41:19
Go ahead. Go ahead. Yeah, well, I'm trying to teach. Enjoy. So

Speaker 1 41:23
you are doing a good job, my dear, you're doing a good job.

Debbie Griggs 41:27
So when I was, when I was a young girl, I go into singing all the time.

Alex Ferrari 41:33
Let's not break into song. I don't have the rights to them.

Debbie Griggs 41:37
Okay, I'll try not to do that. Okay? So when I was young, we owned a trailer park where the snowbirds would come in and bring their trailers in. But then we also rented out double whites, and this was out in the middle of nowhere in Arizona, okay? And we were renting it to this police officer at the end of the court and he was probably, like, 14 years older than I was so then he saw me and went doing, you know, wanted me, and I, you know, bought him off. And it did it. So then we kind of started dating, and we got together and got together and got together and and believe it or not, I was studying to be a police officer, so I rode around with police department and so I didn't know this. I did not know this. So we're connecting together. We're going out. And then all of a sudden he disappeared. And I was just like, What? What the heck? So I'm like, Alright, I don't know what happened. Blah, blah, blah. So then I moved to Minnesota, and then I moved to Montana, then Washington. So I'm working at Hewlett Packard, and this young kid comes along, and he's like, Oh yeah, my dad works as a police officer in Arizona. And I'm like, oh, you know, because could have been the age, you know, his son. So I was like, Oh, I'm asking about, you know, I'm asking about this cop. And he's like, Okay, I'll ask my dad. You know about him? So he comes back, he goes, I'm sorry, Deb, he passed away from a helicopter crash. He was a, he was a rescue helicopter and, you know, and he used to fly it over our trailer all the time. Home, I'm coming home, and so I'm like, oh, no, crazy. So recently this year, he keep Oh, around that time, okay, so let me see here. So then I find out. I didn't find out at that time, I found out. And then I said something to my mom, and she's like, Oh, just think you would have been a widow. And I'm like, What? What are you talking about? And she's like, he asked your dad if he could marry you. And I'm like, what? And she goes, but you were 1617, and he was going to get him get rid of his job, you know, he got him in a bunch of trouble. I didn't know this. I did not know this. So spirit comes down and says, at that time with you out knowing you chose not to marry him, because I know that if he asked me personally, I would been married to him. Okay? But spirit said, No, you chose not to be married with him because you knew from all the abuse and everything that was at home, they said we didn't know if you would be able to make it, because he would have passed away when you were, like 23 so we subconsciously choose, do you get what I'm saying? So I chose that thing. So, like I said, from the beginning to the end, so I'm at the end. We are the world is in the space of choosing. Do we want to take the high road with the lessons and the learning and data we right now, we're in the prefaces the world. That's what the two worlds are. Do we want to go into the another dimensional space and and these people that are suffering but that are also protesting, that are also helping other people? People are wanting to breathe be in that dimensional space. Am I saying that they're better than the other people that are in the lower 3d space? No, but they're choosing to be in this three day lower lesson to make the world solid. Does it make sense? So the so universal source, Guadalupe, is saying that's what the two worlds represent, okay, and that we get to choose if we want to learn that lesson or be part of that lesson.

Alex Ferrari 45:33
So Debbie, based on your own psychic insights, what have you seen? Because you talked about seeing world events and things are happening. Have you seen anything coming, or you just shut that, that that stuff

Debbie Griggs 45:46
out? No, I'm

Alex Ferrari 45:48
Oh, just taking a drink. Everyone's strap in, it's gonna go for a wild ride.

Debbie Griggs 45:56
No, um, yeah, sometimes my world predictions, because I do world predictions every Tuesday, you know.

Alex Ferrari 46:06
So you're all in, you're all in, got it, yeah.

Debbie Griggs 46:09
So they're showing me again, this the split of the two worlds, trying to bring in that space of no judgment. But they're also showing me that if we notice a lot of truth is a lot of stuff is erupting right now. Okay, so with a lot of truth, I mean, real big truth is going to be showing so next year 2026, to me, is a rebirthing. So there's going to be a lot of volcanoes. There's going to be a lot of eruptions, building eruptions, political eruptions, but it's going to be good because it's kind of like the analogy of like we have a pimple and we're popping it and the yucks coming out, and then we get to clear it, and we're going to have clear skies. Jim saying, so I feel that there could be something that happens to the end of this month, beginning of October, okay, but then I'm seeing also something major happening around the spring of next year, alright, when

Alex Ferrari 47:11
you say a bit major, what do you mean? Like

Debbie Griggs 47:15
that we're going to, we're going to either something happens to the president or a world leader, or the market goes, or we're still choosing. We're constantly choosing, because there is no time, there's no lineage, you know what I mean. So because we will have this kind of disruption happening until a lot of the truth is shown.

Alex Ferrari 47:45
Does that make sense? Yeah, it does. And it's something interesting you're saying here, and I want to kind of put a spotlight on it, is you said like people are still deciding, so humanity is still deciding which way to go. But what you're seeing is what I call a mile marker. Like something is happening at this time. What that is is still to be determined, but we've all kind of signed up and like this is the time that something has to happen, yeah, to bring all this stuff up for our better, our better collective evolvement, right? To evolve exactly or awaken so. And I wanted to kind of bring it light to that, because a lot of people think that, like, Oh, she didn't get it right. Oh, she did. The timing. The timing is, is what you're seeing, what happens? It could be a buffet of multiple. Stock market could crash. World leader gets hurt. War breaks out, natural disaster, something that's really going to rock, yeah, the the world,

Debbie Griggs 48:45
and the reason that it has to happen again, this is the Guadalupe thing, is because it's going to bring people together. We're too split. And I feel like that people feel that we're too split because they're feeling not only the split of people's perceptions or judgment. But we're also seeing the feeling, the split of the two worlds, going into another dimension, or not the other dimensional space. So we're, we're having, like, double, triple the effect. And people don't realize that they're, they're most of them. I'm not saying all of them, and I know it all, and do it all. No, I'm getting bits and pieces, like you guys do, but I they're, they're showing it to me is we are making this happen because, like you said, something has to happen so the truth can come to the surface, bubbling up, and I feel like we're choosing. Some people are going, Oh, it's going to be another 911 Well, the spiritual realm, or whatever, is saying, No, we're trying not to have a 911 because it it will over effect people because of the residents of what happened in 911 it's going to affect those people again, harder, harder. You know I'm saying. In and so then we might not get together and not be able to help the neighbor, so they're going to try to create something so that we face each other instead of facing away from each other.

Alex Ferrari 50:11
And I'll give you an example that happened in my life is when I went through Hurricane Wilma, all of our neighbors who we didn't really speak to all got together because it was disaster, right, you know, and every and we all got together. We had no power for weeks, and all of this kind of stuff. So all of a sudden, the neighborhood started to get together. We started talking to each other, we started building relationships. But it was only because of the disaster that that happened. Without the disaster, without that hurricane. We don't have a relationship with our neighbors exactly at that time, at that time, so it's painful as the disaster was, there's a lot of good that came out of it exactly. And it's, it's kind of seeing, hopefully, seeing the silver lining of that. And that's kind of what's happening. What you're saying is going to happen is there is going to be these events that will force us to get together, right?

Debbie Griggs 51:03
I mean, look at covid made us seclude more.

Alex Ferrari 51:06
It forced us to be introverted, like an introvert, you

Debbie Griggs 51:09
know? And we're, I mean, we're doing it, no, you know what? I mean, we're over the internet. We're not we're not doing the coddling. We're not getting that thing. So they're going to try to make it so that it can get people out and collect and help each other. Does that make sense? So to get that, to get the because everything's a frequency vibration sound in water, that's what they showed it to me, is okay and and maybe the frequency and the vibration can be off in this 3d dimensional space, in the other dimensional space when I had my near death, or whatever. No it was, it was attuned. Everything is is and everything is in perfection. We don't have perfection in this space because we're trying to learn to be in the space of no judgment. And you know what I mean, and seeing everything in every perception. So what

Alex Ferrari 52:03
other things, other than next spring, do you see like in the next five years or so? Because I've heard different things from this year all the way to 2032, we're going to be a little bit of a rough ride for us, ups and downs, ups and downs, ups and downs. What do you

Debbie Griggs 52:18
say I'm seeing? I just kind of want to be more positive about it, but I've seen that they're probably, I mean, I can't think or feel for them. That's another thing they showed me. You can't think or feel for anybody. You know what? I mean, that's your choice. But they're showing me that, that we're in the beginning of this high road, low road, until 20, 2035 they show Okay, okay, and that we're together at 2035 in the understanding of each other, okay, that we're more together. So there is going to again. I feel that truth is being shown in 2026 but I'm also seeing, if you were looking at it like money wise or productive wise, I'm seeing some of that being really, really good for people. Okay, good. There could be the downfall, because we got to make it even. It's not even right now, all right. Oh, I'm seeing I think people are probably feeling that, like the midterms for us in 2026 Yeah, is there going to be a conflict? Yes, that depends on if we choose a leader, it could be our leader or someone else's leader falls down. Then we won't have this certain kind of conflict. Doesn't have to be presented around the midterms. But the way it's going now, there's going to be a major conflict around the midterms.

Alex Ferrari 53:48
Conflict, meaning war, or

Debbie Griggs 53:52
to me, I'm I'm not seeing war, war. I'm seeing I call it conflict. It's like

Alex Ferrari 54:00
ideology conflict. Excuse me, ideology conflicts

Debbie Griggs 54:04
that and, you know, kind of the separation that we have now, but the conflict that I would see is that the people are going to go over the government. Should I mean? What do you mean by that? Like we're going to protest the government, and that we're going to be like, No, you're working for us. We're not working for you. Interesting.

Alex Ferrari 54:27
Yeah, that's something else I've heard too, that we're going to start to take care our communities are going to start

Debbie Griggs 54:32
taking care of themselves, and that's together.

Alex Ferrari 54:36
See, it's all part of the passive plan. It's all part of the

Debbie Griggs 54:39
high road, low world. Thing that's why, that's why they're wanting, we can't, you know, we what do they say it is, you know, jump before the horse kind of thing. So we put the cart before the horse, so that, yeah, the cart before her the horse. Thank you. So that's why this is happening. And. We, in the collective, believe it or not, are choosing to have this happen in one way or another. Okay, so, like, there was that hurricane, I think it was last year that was going to Florida, and they thought it was going to be this, like, really big hurricane. And on, on Thursdays, I do prayers, you know, I do singing bowls and prayers. And people are like, Oh, we can't pray it away. I'm like, Yes, we can. Because if we are in the collective and we say we don't want this to happen, it doesn't have to happen, and it didn't happen as big as it was going to happen. But in my world, maybe in someone else's world, it was a different because we're all seeing it in different perspectives. Does that make sense? So we are choosing of the split of the two worlds. Do we want to be part of the the the stuff that we're getting rid of, or do we want to be part of the truth? Because you guys have both and this 3d dimensional space?

Alex Ferrari 55:58
Yeah, you definitely have to have both in this space, whether you like it or not. That's kind of what we signed up for when we came down here. Yeah, now how can, in your opinion, how can individuals and people around the world best prepare spiritually, emotionally, for what's coming these next 10 years?

Debbie Griggs 56:16
See, and some people might not believe in this, and I this is what I've gotten from Guadalupe. Of this is what I've gotten from, you know, universal source, guide, Buddha, whatever you want to call it, bless everything, but not in the bless, like, bless you, No, literally seen, you know what I mean, like, you know, so blessing. It's in that that you're giving it to the highest vibration. So when Guadalupe downloaded this information to me, because I was asking the same thing, that's why they said you need to start doing Thursdays and start doing the prayers and blah, blah, blah, calling on all these different entities and goddesses and whatever, which is really not them. It's just a frequency vibration sound in water. So she said that if we have the blessing, if we allow ourselves to be in the blessing of it, then the blessing will come through. So if I send you blessing, and you but you're like, I'm this grump, you know, you're Fred Flintstone, and I'm like, oh, I want to send Alex blessings. I want him to be happy. And did it. She said, No, he's not going to get happier. He's not going to be did it. He's going to get grumpier. Because if you believe in your blessing is to be grumpy or a right fighter, or to did it. If I'm sending you blessings, I'm giving you more of your frequency, vibration, sound and water, amplifying it, if you will, amplifying it. And people are like, no, if, if, when I had that surgery, when I had my near death, thank goodness, I didn't tell my mom that I was going into the surgery, because she's, you know, first of all, she would have made it about her narcissist, you know, and she would have sent me, you know. And I'm like, I don't want that energy around me. Does it make sense? It does. So if you're wanting a better world, send the blessing of the truth of what you want it to be. It can't be completely what you want it to be, but it can be in that frequency and vibration around what peace and harmony. So if we bless peace and harmony, I see the world in peace, harmony, joy, happiness, health, wealth, prosperity, spirituality and joy. And I just keep on sending the blessing of that. So like, before this show, I was sending you blessings for a week. I'm like, I'm sending blessings to Alex. I want this pro and whatever, and I'm sending blessings to the world. And whatever I say helps, whatever people do. You know I'm saying, I'm sending blessings to the world. Let me say the words that the world needs to hear. It's not me. I'm the conduit. I'm a tool, just like you're a Condit you're a tool, right? So we're sending blessings us, even communicating like this. You having your beautiful program and talking to all the people. You're sending blessings to the world. That's what you can do. So

Alex Ferrari 59:15
Debbie, where can people find out more about you and the amazing work you're doing in the world?

Debbie Griggs 59:20
Well, I My website is psychic. Debbie.com I do psychic readings. And, like I said, I help find blockages and things like that. I have a YouTube channel every Tuesday night. I just did one last night of predictions. I do predictions and, you know, horoscopes and things like that. And I'm bubbly in the beginning. So if you're like, wanting one of these ones that were, I'm like, straight to the point. I'm sorry I'm not that person. It's towards the end. But I do my predictions of what I think is, you know, going to come true. I've had some really strong, strong predictions come true. Like I predicted that Prince Harry was going to move to California. And boy, did I get a lot of crap on that. They're like, he can't do that. And rare. Mary, Mary, and I'm like, but I see him in California, you know, or the play, or the helicopter hitting the plane and going into the river the next day it happened. So I do that on Tuesdays and Thursdays. I do, you know, the singing bowls. I'm, I'm also on a ghost hunting grandma's thing, so I go ghost hunting too. But, yeah, so psychic debbie.com psychic Debbie grapes for the YouTube, and then, you know, Instagram and and tick this book and all that.

Alex Ferrari 1:00:27
Yeah. And do you have any final messages or blessings that you would like to give the audience before we

Debbie Griggs 1:00:33
leave? Well, I'm definitely sending blessings to the world. Know that you can release people's stories, that you are worthy, that you are a blessing, and we and you do have a purpose, even if it's just to turn on a light or just to say hi to somebody, we all have a purpose and truth of why we're here.

Alex Ferrari 1:01:00
Debbie, it is and Debbie, it has been an adventure and a half having you on the show.

Alex Ferrari 1:01:08
I was just holding on for dear life.

Alex Ferrari 1:01:10
It was wonderful your I love your energy. I love what you love what you're doing in the world. And I appreciate you and everything you're doing to awaken this planet.

Debbie Griggs 1:01:18
Thank you. Thank you. Many blessings to you too. Bye.