Alex Ferrari 0:00
You started off atheist, and you went to agnostic, essentially. And then at 37 you happened to die.

Anton Grosz 0:06
But I had let all the air out of my body, and I don't know why I had done that. I just did and I meditate, and suddenly I was below the ceiling, looking down at my head. If this is me up here, who's that down there? And that's the point. Any physical thing is going to die, is going to cease to exist. You know, I'm not going to be around that much longer. How many more things can I get to do I am now truly believe in new consciousness, which is the awareness that the I am, that I feel inside, and the I Am that you feel Inside, is the same universal I am who says that consciousness, the feeling of I Am, has to exist in a piece of meat.

Alex Ferrari 1:08
Now, before we jump into this episode, if this conversation resonates with you, please like subscribe and share this with whoever you feel that needs to hear it. Your support helps us keep bringing this information out into the world and helps us awaken this planet. Thank you. I like to welcome to the show Anton Grosz spelled with G, R, O, S, Z, just for clarification. How are you my friend?

Anton Grosz 1:52
Very fine. Thank you so much for the invite Alex. It's my pleasure to be here.

Alex Ferrari 1:57
Thank you so much for being here. I'm looking forward to going down the rabbit hole with your, with your your life story and what you've gone through in life. You're very interesting character in that sense, because you, from my understanding, you were, you were born into a very, very atheist family, correct?

Anton Grosz 2:19
I actually call them devout atheists,

Alex Ferrari 2:23
That's a new one.

Anton Grosz 2:24
They were amazing. I was six years old, and my grandfather sat me on his knee, and he said, God is the sum total of man's ignorance.

Alex Ferrari 2:42
Wow.

Anton Grosz 2:44
We used to think the sun was God, then we learned how the sun works. Now the sun's not God anymore. Someday, humanity will learn how everything works, and there'll be no more need for God at all. And of course, when you're six years old, you believe your grandfather, especially since he's the loudest one in the family, and always wins all the arguments.

Alex Ferrari 3:14
So let me ask you, before we go down, before we go down the path, why you know, from this, this point of view and this perspective. Now, you know, you've obviously been around the block a little bit, you live life looking back at your family, what, what was the cause of such a devout atheist situation? And not just one person, but it seemed like a bunch of people in your family. Why do you think caused that?

Anton Grosz 3:40
Well, I think to a great degree. First off, there was a lot of science in the family. You have to be able to prove it. And people would say, I believe in God. I believe in a higher power. Well, prove it to me. Show me. Point to God. You know, you can't do that because it's an inner thing, which I have since learned. But the other thing was, clearly we were the Jewish family, and so my mother, my grandfather's daughter, told me, If there were a God, which there isn't, if there were, I'd speak in his eye for what he allowed to have happened to the Jews in the Second World War. So I as a little boy, was told that not only God didn't exist, but if he did, he's pretty evil for letting all this stuff happen. So I think that's maybe the basis for all the things that happened to their ancestors and to their family.

Alex Ferrari 4:45
But it's very interesting because, you know, I've, I've also known and spoken to many, many Jewish people that came from the Holocaust and have experience in it, and you went one of two ways. You either went the way your family went, or you went. A complete opposite way of believing more in God, and God is the one that got us through it. And God is and so it's really fascinating to see the perspective of a person with the same event creating these two different, very different, wildly different views on reality.

Anton Grosz 5:15
Oh, absolutely, absolutely. And of course, when you're little, you you do have no idea. I remember, I'm, you know, five years old, and arguing with my friend Beverly. And she says, but if there were no God, how would you know not to kill other people? And I said, Oh, Beverly, I just know that's wrong. You just don't do it because it's not the right thing. I don't need God for that. So I didn't believe in a thing. I personally modified my view to agnosticism as I got older, because it doesn't wasn't worth arguing about, you know, and you know, so forth, and you know, but then, of course, when I had my, you know, epiphany at 8:37, everything changed.

Alex Ferrari 6:11
So let's go down that road a bit. So for 31st 37 years, you started off atheist, then you went to agnostic, essentially. And then at 37 you happen to die. You just died.

Anton Grosz 6:25
Been there, done that, as they say.

Alex Ferrari 6:28
So tell us what happened, what led up to the day on the day of your death, what led up to your actual death?

Anton Grosz 6:33
Okay, it's really an interesting story, and it's it goes a little sideways, but there was a death in my family. My sister's husband, a young man, very lovely fellow, died early on. And my sister, who obviously was raised in the same family, atheistic families that was she found solace and comfort in Siddha Yoga meetings of the city yoga group. And my mother was sympathetic with my sister, but she said to me, will you find out what your sister is doing? Why does she need that religious group so I can't No Talk to my sister, and she sent me a book by Baba Muktananda, who was the founder of Siddha Yoga on meditation. Now I'm in my, you know, late 30s. I'm 37 years old at the time. Hadn't thought about God at all, but I got into this meditation. Hey, let me try it. Let me see what it then I read it, and it always creates peace inside. It would be very, very peaceful. And I kind of was a natural. I felt really, really good at it. And so I would meditate. And one night, I was meditating just before going to bed, because it calmed me down. I had a big day at work tomorrow, you know, the next day, and I'm meditating. And for some reason, when I was sitting on the looking at a candle flame, but I had let all the air out of my body, and I don't know why I had done that. I just did and I meditate, and suddenly I was below the ceiling looking down at my head, and I thought myself, Oh, my God, if this is me up here, who's that down there, or if that's me down there, who is this up here? And I took in a breath, and I went back in my body, and I thought, wow, that's cool. Yeah, I wasn't afraid at all. And I being a scientist, right? You know, they happen to prove everything I realized, you know, I wouldn't be surprised if I left my body because I didn't have any air inside. I wonder if that bus, the meditation, is what made me, you know, go, you know, a top of my head. I gotta do this again, and I have to do it, and I'll keep my breath out longer, because I'll bet if I'd stayed out longer, I could have looked around more and seen more from outside. So there was no fear at all. The next weekend, I decided to try it again. My wife is downtown shopping with our daughter. My nine year old son is playing in in his room. I decide, hey, it's a good day to do. Do it to leave my body. So I breathe out, and I lie on my bed with my hands folded like this. I'm on my on my stomach, leaning on my elbows, breathe in and out three times. Let the all the air out. And I say I'm not going to breathe again until I'm unconscious, because I knew that the body will normally bring things in. Now I didn't do anything stupid, like put tape on my nose or mouth. I mean, you know, you know I'm not bad off the wall, but I said I'm not going to breathe in until I leave my body again, like I did, you know, last week, and the clock goes around once, and the second hand goes around again, and I'm beginning to get, whoa, some pain in the body. I begin shaking like I'm in an earthquake, and then I feel like I'm drowning like in a flood, and then I feel like I'm burning up in a fire. And I later learned that, according to the Tibetans in the writing of the Tibetan Book of the Dead, but these are the first three steps in leaving your body and dying. You lose the earth element, the water element, and then the fire element. The next thing is the air element, which I'd already left and didn't have inside my lungs. The only thing holding me to my body was something called the ether element, which sounds pretty nebulous to me. Anyway, there I am, and I'm asking myself, you know, am I conscious? Am I no, if I were unconscious, I'd be breathing, and I'm not breathing now, so I won't and I held it out, and I held it out, and the pain got worse, and I thought to myself, suddenly realized I was dying, and I said to myself, No, God won't let me die while I'm looking for him. And I what, you know, what did I just say? But, and then I saw a little light on the top of my head, and it got bigger and bigger, and I thought, oh my gosh, that must be the tunnel of going through into the life that Raymond Moody wrote about in his book, life after life. I had read that book, and there was another sad thing, my wife's sister's husband, a young man, died from childhood diabetes at the young at a young age. And so she had read life after life, and gave that to me. And I had compared Muktananda and Raymond Moody, the spiritual and, you know, the the near death experience, and thought it was the only, by the way, the only leap of faith I ever took. It was, gee, what if body and mind really are separate? That was, you know, the only step I took in any event. There I am, this tunnel, this light, you know, gets bigger and bigger bigger, and I suddenly went through I have not breathed, of course, it's been over three minutes and no air in the lungs, and I was in a space of brightness, unbelievable, greater, brighter, more Incredible than anything I could have ever believed existed. And further there were a feeling of greater number of dimensions. How do you describe but three dimensions, that was nothing. There are so many more. And it was, you know, incredible. At this point, my body is in such pain, I can't I took a breath in. I fall off the bed. I start moving my body going around, rockets in an epileptic fit, which made sense, because my mother and uncle both had epileptic fits at age 39 and I were 37 but inside, I was at such peace, Alex, I can't tell you, the peace, the comfort, the joy, the wonders, the feel inside. Well, my body is going crazy on the floor. At this point, my wife comes in the room. She is driven home from shopping. Our son, who had looked in the room, has gone out to meet her in the driveway, and to put her mind at ease, he says, Daddy's not dead. Daddy's not dead.

Alex Ferrari 14:57
Yeah, that puts him, that puts you to ease.

Anton Grosz 14:59
I put her mind at ease. She comes in. I'm rolling around, and while I'm rolling on the floor, you know, in this peaceful thing, all right, I I can't move. I feel wires pulled out of my head like the old telephone switchboard and then at some point they get put back in. But I feel them being put back in in a different place. I can't understand any of it at the time. And then when I can finally control my body, the first thing that happens is I am on my knees on the ground. My hands are folded like this in front of my face, and my first words are, I am reborn. I am reborn in God. And I was so embarrassed to hear me say that my god but my life made a complete right turn at that point, and I knew that everything that people have said about God, it was true, there is a greater reality. It may not be out there where we can physically prove it by Newton's laws, but it does exist, and that's how it happened. That's where my life changed, and from that point on, everything is different.

Alex Ferrari 16:39
After you came back, how did the people around you kind of deal with this new version of you, because you are completely transformed. So how did that? How did and then, how did you deal with that psychologically? Because that has to be difficult.

Anton Grosz 16:52
Are you crazy? What happened to you? What's the matter with you? I experienced it. I've been there all right, and I know what I experienced, and that's true. I've got to tell you one other thing, if I may, one other historical bit which may and all of this makes me feel that I'm on this path that has led to the writing of this book, that is, you know, that we're here to talk about, and that I'd be interviewing everything else. Why? How did I get here? The idea that when I was in when I was in college, I had an experience which seemed like it was meaningless, except now looking back and maybe the most important thing that happened there was a I was walking across campus and did assign psychological testing going on $5 Hey, and in early 1960s $5 was a lot of money, man. So I had nothing else to do. I went in, signed up. I went in with all the tests. And the very last room I went into, these were, you know, grad students who had a thesis and needed, you know, some documentation, some, you know, further, further pieces. And the very last room I went into, there were five desks, panels with lights on them and buttons, red light and green light, and a buttons underneath. And there were four other students who were in there, and they said, oh, here comes another one. We can do it now. We can we hang do the test? And the professor said, Okay. He said, Professor, standing in the corner of the room, he said, I'm going to push a button. This is a test. How fast you can go, you know, and your reactions I'm going to push on. It's going to be the same for every panel. And each of you push the button, if you see green, push the button under green, if you see red, push the button under red. And we're going to keep going faster and faster until somebody misses, and that'll be the end of the test. So we start doing it, and I push red, I push green, and then suddenly beep. The professor says, oh, somebody made a mistake. And the guy at the end, he says, Who pushed red? I said, I did. He says it was green, you missed. I said, No, it wasn't. It was red. He said, No, mine was green. And the professor said they'd both be the same I did, but mine was red. And the woman over on the next side said, Well, mine was green, and I don't care what yours was, mine was red. And he said, Well, you're you're wrong. All of us had green. You had red. You calling me a liar or. I know what I experienced. And we started, you know, raised fists and went at each other, and I suddenly felt my hand, my arms held back behind me. It was the professor. He said, easy, son. It was red. You were correct. This is not a test for how fast you can react. It's a test to how you handle peer pressure. You did very well. You stood up for what you experienced. Now, here, take this shit, go get your $5 and you know, that's it. Boy, I was so, so upset, and I pushed that out of my memory until I had this experience. And then when people said, No, you didn't, I said, Oh yes, I did. I know where I've been. I know what I've experienced, and I even remember sitting, you know, on on the couch, crying. Why? Why, Lord, did I have to wait so long to learn that you existed? And I heard this little voice in my head which said, if you knew this from the beginning, how could you have shared it with people who who didn't know it, you've stood on both sides of the river now you can share that experience. So all of this, I felt, even from the very I was born in a place in New York City, a section of New York City called Hell's Kitchen. Oh yeah, shows you how far I've come. But, you know, there's, there are meanings to everything, which we do not know, but you put it all together. I also have felt my entire life. I've, you know, I've done so many things in my life, and I've been a writer. I've been a teacher, you know, a college teacher. I've been a sales I've owned businesses. I've done all sorts of things, but I always felt that the later in life I did something, the more important it would be. I'm 85 years old. I doesn't get you know, I'm not going to be around that much longer. How many more things can I get to do this? Maybe this is the thing I was designed for, to experience this oneness of the universe, to realize that we are all connected. We're not separate. We're one tree. And you know, if I hurt you, I'm hurting myself, you know, and to share this information with others. And you know, as I said, I've been on both sides, so if you tell me it doesn't exist, I can say, Well, I've been there, but we can now talk about that.

Alex Ferrari 23:02
That's beautiful. That's beautiful. So when you, when you started to come out, and basically, your life changed after this experience, you you also went into work with hospice, if I'm not mistaken, correct?

Anton Grosz 23:16
I began, I was right. I had, I had a business at the time. I was doing all kind, you know, things. And I started caring for a fellow in in our town, in our city of upstate New York, and he said, you know, if you like, you know, the idea of people's soul, you should take care of people's bodies. And I became a certified home care assistant, and then I started volunteering at hospice, and I ended up, in my 50s, going to San Francisco to the California Institute of integral studies, where I got a PhD in the evolution of human consciousness. And that led to some people coming up and saying, Hey, how would you like to become a priest? Excuse me, I'm not going to study well, you know, but yeah, but what the five years you've just studied for your PhD is, you know, Will is working for this, the, you know, for this particular temple. So I became a priest. They asked me to why not? And right after that, there was a an ad for a they needed a chaplain for a hospice, but you had to be a priest, or, you know, an ordained minister, to do it. So things fell into place. And for the last years of my life, that's what I did, talking to people who were dying. And I consider myself a non denominational Minister, you know. That there is no one religion. There are many, many paths. And I love sitting at the feet of somebody who goes, who has a different path, and let them tell me what they believe and how they find the oneness and how they find God. For me, the only person you have to fear is a person who says, My way is the only way, right? But other than that, just open up and listen and learn. It's just so incredible. So yeah, that's how I spent the last years of my life, helping people pass over

Alex Ferrari 25:40
And what? And when you were going through that, doing that work, what are some of the things that you saw or witnessed during that, and were you a little bit more hyper sensitive to the spiritual side of things because of your experience? In other words, seeing, I'm not saying, a shared death experience, but things like that.

Anton Grosz 26:01
That's a great question. No, I agree. It really helped. I remember one there was this one woman who I was in speaking to her, and she started, she burst out crying at one point, and I said, Don't be afraid. You know, not pain. You know, you know it's not painful that you'll separate. But she said, No, no. She said, I'm just afraid that God won't accept me. I've been such a sinner. I feel it. And I said, Excuse me. I said, Do you have any kids? Yes, I have a daughter? I said, if your daughter came to you and said, Mom, I've been such a bad person. I've been so terrible, but I'm so sorry. Do you forgive me? Would you forgive her? She said, Of course, I would. I said, Why should God be any different? If I may share with you, by the way, the I'll give you one other and then I'll share this one thing. Also, we work with people after the death of someone, a family member. So they were the one woman who I was working with, and after she died, I would go see her husband. You know, for several months afterwards, we did, we'd have a glass of wine and talk. I was on duty. Don't tell anyone, but I had a glass of wine on duty. But we would talk, and every time we'd mentioned her name, he would burst out crying, you know. And finally, you know, an insight came to me, and I said, Excuse me, John, did you love her? Of course, I loved her. She was the most wonderful person. She was the greatest wife. She was. I said, Then why are you crying? I said, If you loved her and you think of her, you should be smiling and happy she was in your life. If you're crying, you're thinking of yourself and what you're missing. And you know this, realizations like this came out by the experience of being there. I will tell you one other, if I may please. Oh, I was with my mother when she died. I lived with living in California at the time, she was living back in Massachusetts, near my sister, and she had, my sister is five years younger than I am, by the way, and my she had been made power of attorney by my mother. Now I didn't, you know, didn't bother me, but I did say, Why? Why did you take, you know, the younger sister instead of the older brother. She said, Oh. She said, yours too. Woo, woo. She said, if anything ever happened to me, you'd say, go, go, go, you know. But she'll do whatever she can to keep me, keep me alive. Okay, I got a call. I got a call from my sister. Mom is in, you know, it fell. She's in a coma. She's in the hospital, not getting through. I can't handle this anymore. Come out here and do what you can. So I flew cross country. I'm in the room with my mother, with reading. She's in a coma in the hospital. I'm reading to her from my first book, Letters to a dying friend, which turns out to be a westernized version of The Tibetan Book of the Dead, with an intro by the Dalai Lama, by the way. But I'm reading her and. She's in a coma, and I'm doing something called Therapeutic Touch. Are you familiar with Therapeutic Touch?

Alex Ferrari 30:06
Okay, but please explain it. Please explain it.

Anton Grosz 30:09
Okay. Nurses use therapeutic touch to remove pain from people. It's by running your hands over their body, from the head down to the feet to take the energy away from the brain, which feels pain, no matter where it is in the body. But when someone is dying, you do it in the other direction. You You know you're maybe three inches above the person's body in their aura. And the idea is to take the energy of the person and to have them leave the body from the highest chakra you can find. So you want them to leave from the top of their head when they leave the body into the next into their next night. So I was performing this on my mother, reading from the book, telling her mom, we love you. You were a good mom. It's okay to go, you know. And so she opens her eyes, she sees me, and she gives me a look like, you never said a word, but you gave me a look like, oh, shit, he's here, you know, I already told you, you know. So she realized, Oh, if he's flown across the country, this is it, you know. She closed her eyes again. We made eye contact. I said, I love you, mom, and I kept with the Therapeutic Touch, talking to her. You can leave, you know, go into the light. Go into the light. And I could see on the side of her neck, her artery, the jugular, is going boom, boom. And it kept and it got less and less and less. And in a few minutes it stopped completely, and I realized she had died, and I turned to go out and tell the nurses that she had died, and three nurses were looking in the room, in the door, they said, I've never seen anything like that before that he was the most actually beautiful passing, and I realized what a blessing I had been given to help her into the next world, like she helped me into this world that's beautiful. It was, it was just an incredible thing.

Alex Ferrari 32:57
Anton went let me, let's go back into your experience for a second. You saw white light, obviously, and that's something that a lot of people see, but you didn't have a life. Review, you didn't meet any other people. There other beings, there anything else like that? Correct?

Anton Grosz 33:13
That is correct.

Alex Ferrari 33:15
So then, but you had this overwhelming feeling of love?

Anton Grosz 33:21
Yes, I did. I did have. There was one other feeling that I had that was absolutely incredible, and that has kept with me ever since, after I had come out of it, and I had already said, you know, I'm reborn and, you know, and I'm back, and I was still definitely under, you know, ugly influence. And if I lean my head one way, I was in the room, in the house, if I lean my head the other way, I went back into space, and I could see earth become a small ball, which became a yin yang symbol. And I suddenly realized how everything in the universe is balanced, how everything is, you know, not to get political. I don't want to do that here. But you know, in the old days, I'm an old, you know, Eisenhower Stevenson period person. You know well before you were born young. But you know that, you know when Republicans and Democrats would would, you know, have an election, and then they get together afterwards and compromise and get things done together. But you know, until the balance was an agreement in the middle, these days, you've got extreme. Extremes in extreme left and extreme right. But from the point of view of the universe, it's still balanced, Isn't it correct? So it's fascinating thing, and this, I recognize, you know, at that point that the universe itself is is balanced, even if it's whether it's both coming together or spreading apart as one side gets larger, the other side gets farther away. It's just the way.

Alex Ferrari 35:34
Anton, let me ask you, why do you think? I mean, I'm assuming, after this experience, you started to go in down the rabbit hole to start reading a lot, and started educating yourself on different types of spirit because you're obviously, when you get experience like that, you're like, starving for more information. You want to figure things out of what the hell it just happened?

Anton Grosz 35:53
Oh, absolutely. I read all the religious books that I could of different things started with the Bible from beginning to end, Old Testament, New Testament. I remember one day sitting in the library reading the quotes of Jesus, and I burst into tears thinking, Oh my God, I've just spent the entire day reading the teachings of Jesus Christ. How phenomenal. What a phenomenal way to spend a day. Incredible. But I study, I studied Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, Tibetan, Buddhism, Confucianism, Hinduism, everything. And as I say, I saw all these different ways of being, and it's the thing that got me to believe that, you know, there are so many different ways. And as I said, the only one to fear is the one who says, My way is the only way. Right?

Alex Ferrari 37:05
So with all this experience and all of the education that you, you've gotten by reading and studying all of these different paths, I'm assuming, at one point or another, you probably got into some of the more esoteric woo woo stuff as well, not just the traditional stuff. But my question to you is, do you believe in reincarnation? And if you do believe in reincarnation, do you believe in a souls agreement, a soul blueprint that kind of sets your life up according to whatever you decide, the lessons you need to learn? And if you do believe that, why do you think you chose in this life to go down the path that you went down 37 years of atheism, then all of a sudden, reborn.

Anton Grosz 37:50
One I do believe in reincarnation. I have had a couple of memories of previous things. Something happened to me in this life, and it suddenly brings me back to some place in the past. Do I believe that we choose where we want to be? Yes, yes, I do. Yes, I do. But the thing is, see, I am at a point now, Alex, where I don't believe that I am this little piece of meat, Anton grows, all right, I am now truly believe in new consciousness, which is the awareness that the I am, that I feel inside, and the I Am that you feel inside, is the same universal I am, so that, When are you? When I get to that point, when someone gets to the point, you realize that I am the oneness of it all. And so this little piece of meat was created to do whatever it you know, wants to do to be happy. I mean, this is, this is the key, I think, to the whole thing. As also, when I was a little boy, at my eighth birthday, my aunt Claire asked me, What do you want to be when you grow up? And I said, I want to be happy. And my mother, okay, was walking by. She said, You can't be happy. You have to be something. Okay. Well, we've all heard that, right, you know. But in truth, I just want to be happy. And isn't that why each one of us was created? To be happy. I lead meditation group at the Newark Delaware Senior Center, you know, where I live, and I've had them, you know, ask people to so meditate on whatever things that they do that they're good at, you know, and tell them afterwards, you know, if I had to ask you, what are the things that you like to do that make you happy, chances are it would have been the same thing. We are built. We're designed to do what gives us joy? Because the entire creation of the universe was to give joy to the Creator, to the ultimate I am, if I may, my favorite word. There are so many names for God, and it always bothers the heck out of me that people go to war because you call God a different name than I call God house. I know how my favorite name of all is Satchitananda. Sat Chit Ananda, the ancient Hindu word from three Sanskrit words, satchit And Ananda, existence, consciousness, bliss. I am. I'm aware that I am. Wow. God didn't create the universe because his mother said, Get off the couch and do something. You lazy kid, right? The universe was created because I want to. I I have feelings inside that I can't want to turn into the into the physical. I can create the physical. We do that constantly. We vision something in our mind, whether it's, what am I going to have for dinner, you know, to where do I want to travel for vacation, or, boy, I'd like to spend my life doing podcasts, you know, right? Whatever it happens to be we have that option of putting it into play. One of the saddest things I ever heard was a morning talk show in San Francisco, Bring Your Daughter to Work Day, and one of the people that brought his daughter, and the fellow on the show said, and tell me, my dear, what would you like to do when you grow up? She says, I want to work in an office so I can do what I want to on weekends. And I thought, Oh, my God. How sad is that? Here's this seven, eight year old girl who already figures I'm going to have to do something I don't want. Wow, so that I have time on my and or money to do what I want to do. No, what do you want? What gives you joy? That's where you should be. And as I said, I'm 85 what gives me joy now sharing with others the idea of new consciousness, of the fact that we are one, that you know, it doesn't make sense to hurt each other, love each other. That's what it's all about.

Alex Ferrari 43:43
Anton, do you do you have a message for people watching who, many times people watch this, who have a loved one who's dying, they're dying themselves, or they're afraid of dying? What message do you have for them, for these, these people who are fearful of, of what, what's coming after this, this meat suit retires.

Anton Grosz 44:07
It's a real you know, why don't you give me a deep question, the what I used to do, you know, is to talk to people. I came up with a a prayer, if you will, a blessing that was non denominational for you know that I used in the hospitals, and it was May what is supposed to happen, happen with no pain or suffering for anyone. And that's the point any physical thing is going to die. Is going to cease to exist, whether it's a plant, an animal, a human, a star or a galaxy, anything physical comes to an end, but the consciousness within it, the awareness within it does not come to an end. So I would tell all these people, and I would share this in answer to your question, if he's happened to see a bright light in your dreams, follow the light. Go for the light. You know it's going to happen, you can't find it. One of the saddest things I ever experienced as a hospice chaplain. I go around once a week to the different locations, and there was this one woman who did not have family but but had some, you know medical condition. And she told them, whatever you do, keep me alive. They put tubes in her. They fed her for eight years, this poor woman was lying in the bed, they put a stuffed animal in her arm. The TV is on in front of her in the home, because they just do that, you know, whatever else is going on, and she's there and our eyes would meet. There was nothing you can do, because once you put that tube in, you cannot pull it out legally. So there she was, and you know, that was so sad, and she was so sad, and she was probably thinking, My gosh, why did I want to hang around lying like this, unable to move, unable to eat, unable to do anything, but just exist like that, not to be afraid of it. That's the main that's the main thing. You know, it's like in a dream, you dream, right? Of course, of course, when you dream, do you realize that there's this lump of meat lying there in a bed? I don't think so we're off. We're we're doing our thing in dreams. Well, that pretty much what it's like. You know, after you've left the body, after what we call dying, it's, it's, we don't cease to exist. But our connection to the body ceases to exist. And then if we enjoyed having a body, we can come back in another one. That's that reincarnation, you know that you mentioned. And if the talents and skills and abilities that I have in this life can be kind of put together and I can carry it on in a backpack with me into the next life, then I can use that and do you know, do something else. You know Mozart did not first hear music for the very first time when he was five years old and say, oh my god, wow, that's great stuff. I think I'll write a concerto by the time I'm six. All right, he'd been there and done that, sure. All right, yeah, I played. I played. I started playing violin when I was five years old. When I was six, I played Brahms Hungarian dance number five as a solo in a concert. All right, you don't do that if you never run into music before. I must have been a musician. You know, in the past, it just fell into place naturally. You know, some of the athletes that you see who are just so, so comfortable, so fabulous at what they do, can't be the first time they've been there and done that.

Alex Ferrari 49:19
You've spoken a bunch in this conversation about consciousness. It's my belief that humanity's consciousness is definitely rising. The frequency of humanity and its and vibration is rising more so even within your life, from where the 60s were to where we are now, it's substantially different. Where do you think? Why do you think this is happening? And it's it seems to be happening in an accelerated fashion, because within the last 150 years, I think our consciousness has grown farther than the last 6000 years, and not only through consciousness, but also through technology, both things have grown so x. Potentially fast, and it seems like now, if you put the two parallels of technology and consciousness next to each other every day, seems like things are changing so so so fast these last five years have been so much truncated change in humanity, whether it be political technology, you know, it's establish, like religions and other entities that are starting to show cracks and, you know, falling and systems cracking and all these kind of things. But our consciousness is starting to grow up like, you know, when, when Raymond Moody was talking about near death experiences, nobody was interested. It was very, very, very outside. Now, everybody's taught. Everyone knows everyone. It's in the zeitgeist, go towards the light, all this kind of stuff. So what's your thoughts on that?

Anton Grosz 50:53
Well, I think you, you're right on that. Evolution has changed, and it is has changed from the beginning of time on Earth. I mean, there was a time when rocks were the most evolved beings on the planet, right? And just imagine, you know, how long they were there. And what an evolutionary leap when plants showed up. Oh, my God. We can turn and face the sun, you know, and we can reach down for water, you know. We don't know that we're doing that, but rocks just sit there stoned, so to speak, you know. And then plants and you know, animals, small animals coming, and the humans. What a we can think. You know, I mean, just take a little animal before us, running constantly down from the burrow to the river to drink on the same path every day. And one day stops and says, oh my goodness, I don't have to keep going this way. I could go this way if I wanted, or I could turn and go that way. What a evolutionary leap we are at that point, and it has been going faster. I mean, it just takes human development. If we were living in the 1200s right now, okay, from the time you were born till the time you died, what's the biggest change? You'd see the stone wall between your master's view, the you know, the lord of the manor and the you know, and the next Lord that's grown, you know, 2020, feet, because you built the stone wall. That's the chain. Look at the changes in our life, computers, you know, internet, AI, I started, my wife and I were, you know, studied computers back in, you know, in the university, back, I know, late 50s or early 60s, when we went to school, we walked inside computers that have less power than what you're wearing on your wrist, correct? You know, I mean, this is ridiculous, so and so it's happening, and it's happening so much faster, and that is true with the awareness of consciousness itself. That's if I may, sure that's what this is about. Okay, the idea that talking about the fact that our consciousness is the same would have made no sense sometime before, but now it does, because we're at that place where we realize it's voluntary everything up to this. You know the change from rocks to plants, plants to animals, animals to thinking animals, right? That's all. They all followed instinct, didn't they? Right? They didn't know what they were doing, per se. But humans do we have reached a level where I can consciously make a choice, do I want to do this, or do I not want to do this? There's a little thing I came up with. What if they were eyes on the end of the fingers, and they looked out and they saw the thumb, and they said, you stupid thumb coming from all the way over there. Take that lat. Lat, lat, lat. And they scratched the thumb, and the thumb got infected, and the infection went up through the fingers, and the fingers got infected because they attacked. The thumb which was connected to that. Would they have attacked the thumb if they knew they were connected? Chances are they wouldn't. Shouldn't humans be that smart? We are not physically connected, but we are connected by our feeling of existence. I am that very, very feeling of being, of a living, of existing, is the same when you get rid of all the adjectives that make you and me different. You know, when anyone says I am and then they said adjective, rich, poor, black, white, old, young, you know, blah, blah, blah, whatever it is, male, female, they're just adjectives. Get rid of them all in meditation, we do this. We get down to the feeling of the pure existence, it's the same for us all. Why would I hurt you if I knew that you were me? And that's the decision humanity has to make right now. Now are we going to survive? Who knows? Does the Creator care we're here so that we are, you know, can, you know, survive? But I'm sure there are other planets somewhere in the galaxies where other living beings. So if this one doesn't make it, check that one off. Okay, that one didn't work. We'll do, you know, but another one will. However, you bring up another point. There is this other thing that's happening now, and it's happening so fast, it's scaring a lot of people, and that's AI, what if? What if, as each level of consciousness has grown, you know, rocks to plants, to animals, to humans, what if one of the reasons humans were here was so that we could build a housing for consciousness that could survive longer than humans can? Who says that consciousness, the feeling of I Am, has to exist in a piece of meat, in flesh and blood. Maybe it could exist in metal and silicon and other things. Imagine when the sun gets hotter, right? We know that it's going to turn into a red giant at some point. Well, it will get too hot for flesh and blood, but it may not be too hot for the AI creations that we are putting together now,

Alex Ferrari 58:22
Who knows? Who knows? Who knows? So Anton, where, where can people find out more about you and the amazing work you're doing in the world?

Anton Grosz 58:31
Well, I would like them to find out through, through my book, through, if I may, hold it up again?

Alex Ferrari 58:39
Sure! What's the name of the book?

Anton Grosz 58:41
Handbook for a new consciousness, the next step in human evolution.

Alex Ferrari 58:47
Beautiful. Amazon, Amazon

Anton Grosz 58:53
Yeah, Amazon, a bunch of other places as well, online, and Barnes and Noble online. And you know, what have you. And I do meditation. I run a meditation session on Mondays in meditation chapel.

Alex Ferrari 59:14
And you have a website?

Anton Grosz 59:16
I have a website antongrosz.com, that's A, N, T O, N, G, R, O, S, Z.

Alex Ferrari 59:28
Anton, it's been, it has been a pleasure having you on the show, my friend. You have a beautiful energy to you and I, and I appreciate what you're doing to help awaken the planet, my friend. So thank you again for being here.

Anton Grosz 59:38
Well, thank you very much for the invite, and I appreciate what you're doing to help spread the word from not only me, but from all others, to try to make this a more loving, peaceful planet where we care about each other. I am, you are and we are "one". That's the way it should be, and we should know that. Thank you so much.