Inside the Studio: Atheist Turned Past Life Psychic with Ainslie MacLeod

Alex Ferrari 0:00
That you actually asked your spirit guides about me.

Ainslie MacLeod 0:02
Meeting somebody, and then past life would come up. Who you are is why you're here. You choose a personality for the for the journey. You ended up being arrested and imprisoned. I explore past lives, and I help people figure out their their present life, couple of people who had been in prison with You, and they thought you were maybe an informant or something. You weren't at all, yeah, but you weren't. But they actually beat you up, and as a result of the beating, you died.

Alex Ferrari 0:46
I'd like to welcome to show Ainslie MacLeod. How you doing Ainslie?

Ainslie MacLeod 0:49
I am doing great. Thank you very much, Alex.

Alex Ferrari 0:52
Thank you so much for coming to Next Level Soul Studios. I appreciate it.

Ainslie MacLeod 0:55
Delighted to be here.

Alex Ferrari 0:56
Yes, I've been looking forward to our conversation. We've had a few people who talk about past lives and how to deal with the trauma and heal and all that stuff, but not, not whole lot, and definitely no one, I think of your depth in that space, your book, The Old Souls Guidebook, we're going to talk about old souls. We're going to talk about all these things, because that's a term that gets thrown around a lot certainly does. But my first question to you is, what was your life like before this insanity of being a psychic?

Ainslie MacLeod 1:25
Right! I mean, it was like, yeah, there's kind of like my life before, my life after, right? Exactly. So, you know, I people have asked me this a lot, you know, you know, when did you know you were psychic? And it really wasn't until my early 40s that I had a couple of major epiphanies. But up until that point, I was a total non believer. I considered myself to be an atheist. I had no time for any kind of, you know, woowoo stuff, or, you know, religion or spiritual stuff, and it the only weird thing was that I was drawn to psychics. I saw my first psychic at the age of 27 and I told myself I was going to going there to debunk her. And then I came out with my hair standing on end and going, how the hell did you know all that? You know, she'd be following me around. And then after that, I kept encountering psychics and, you know, in public places, and they would come up to me, and it was always the same kind of message, you know. And sometimes very they're a bit embarrassed, you know, but they'd say, Well, you know, I'm psychic, and you are, and you should be doing something with it. My Spirit guides are telling me, and, but at that time, I was gonna, you know, people are crazy, you know, away, oh, again, if I, you know, if I could go back in time, I'd love to have had deeper conversations with these people, but I kind of just dismissed it. And, but, you know, looking back, I mean, I was a musician and illustrator for years. I started off, I went to art school, got into advertising, as an art director, became an illustrator, played music on the side, and I had a, you know, very, very full life, and I didn't have a lot of contemplative time, you know, kept yourself busy, yeah, you know, and, and, and there was always something going on and, but I did learn to to meditate, most probably about 30.

Alex Ferrari 3:39
So you're, you are an atheist meditator,

Ainslie MacLeod 3:41
Yeah, that's absolutely

Alex Ferrari 3:44
Very interesting. Yeah, because, generally, it's almost like your brain was fighting what your soul was telling it

Ainslie MacLeod 3:52
Cognitive dissonance. Yeah. I think it is completely Yeah, because, yeah, it was like two things happening, you know, like, I considered myself to be a non believer, but also I'm really drawn to psychics. And

Alex Ferrari 4:03
Were you raised religious? I mean, you're Scottish, right?

Ainslie MacLeod 4:05
I'm Scottish, you know, we were sort of like, passively Presbyterian. I guess actually I was. I was about five years old when I told my dad I didn't want to go to Sunday school anymore. I didn't buy that whole thing. And, you know, and I was very surprised at the time that he went okay, because he wasn't buying it either. Well, no, he was. He was the son of a minister. But also, if I didn't go to Sunday school on a Sunday, he got an extra hour in bed, so he didn't put up any fight.

Alex Ferrari 4:38
Dads are dads, no matter what generation,

Ainslie MacLeod 4:41
Absolutely being a dad myself, you know, I totally get it. So I just had this life that was pretty chaotic and and very busy and very noisy and very dramatic relationships I was, you know, put. Part of my story is that I just always seem to be encountering narcissists. Interesting. Yeah, I'm what my spirit guides that I work with would call a wounded Empath, which is, you know, being empathic, but carrying a lot of past life fears, and it makes you a target for narcissists. I had a narcissistic father and then narcissistic relationships, and when you're in those sort of situations, there's never a dull moment. So I, you know, I was in this world where, you know, constantly I'm being shouted at, you know, there's drama, there's yelling and stuff, and I think it kept me from going to that deeper place like I say. I did learn to meditate, and one of the best things that I did actually went to a like a weekend workshop. Otherwise I'd never have done it, and that that was a bit of a game changer, when I was finally able to still the mind and body, get some tranquility into my life. And I, I think that probably helped. You know, I've had conversations with my spirit guys about why was I chosen? Because, you know, this is this is this would not have been my choice. I mean, I, I called myself the reluctant psychic for a long time, because it was just, you know, I mean, why me and why this weird career path? I mean, I was drawn to it, but at the same time feeling, Oh, Jesus, you know, why can't I be normal?

Alex Ferrari 6:35
It's interesting, Ainslie, that a lot of people in the space your story is not unique in that sense, like a lot of psychics, a lot of channelers, especially when they come from a different career path, or were raised in a certain way, or have certain programming in their head, the why me aspect really comes into play. Why? Well, first of all, when did you first have a psychic experience, to the point where you're like, oh, like, Well, what was that?

Ainslie MacLeod 7:09
Well, you know, in retrospect, looking back on my childhood and so on, once I started, you know, on the path, on the psychic path, I could loop back and then make sense of things that had happened. But up until that point, I never, never once thought, Oh, that's a psychic experience. I saw ghosts. Weird things happen, but I just chalked it up to weird stuff happens. And

Alex Ferrari 7:38
Like ghosts, you actually you saw. How old were you when you saw your

Ainslie MacLeod 7:41
Well, the first one I was really aware of was was about 17. I was in the reference library in my hometown of Aberdeen, and it, I mean, it seems ridiculous, but I'm just sitting there, and this guy comes up. He's kind of like Humphrey Bogart, like you know, when the saw raincoats, hat pulled down over not shitty at all, but not, not at all. But his, his face was, it sounds weird, but it's like, indistinct, yeah, like, blurry, almost face, almost faceless, yeah, yeah, comes up asks me for a light. I mean, it's a library, but I didn't think twice. And I was wearing this jacket, I remember this, you know, very trendy maroon jacket that I had at the time, and it had all these different pockets. So I'm kind of like digging around looking for a book matches. And I smoked cigarettes back then, and I found, found the matches, and I where the heck's this guy gone? And, you know, again, with life being so busy and crazy, I didn't really have any time to reflect on it or think about it, so it was only really years later that I realized, Oh, that was an encounter with a ghost, at least when I started working with spirit guides and they were saying, oh, remember that thing that happened? Yeah, that was you seeing a ghost. I said, Well, why did he Why do you want to talk to me? And he said, well, because you're an empath and you have psychic abilities. He knew that you could see him. And that was, that was it. There was no, you know, important message or anything. It was just like this guy can see me, you know, just made himself visible for a moment and then disappeared and only but as I say, I never thought these things were psychic in nature.

Alex Ferrari 9:30
Just weird, just weird stuff happens. Yeah, so you were almost in denial. It sounds like, like, like, normal people, no offense, would see a ghost and freak the hell out, but you were just like, I'm too busy. I got too many things to do. I can't really focus on

Ainslie MacLeod 9:45
I think it was, it was just that. And people say, weren't you scared? Not at all, you know. And I found, you know, a couple of other experiences, and not like, I see ghosts all the time or anything. You don't see dead people, not really. You know, we have, we have one in our house. I mean, I'm aware of her presence. But I She's, yeah, I sort of like, sometimes get a tiny little glimpse. We know she's there, and we say hi to her every morning and good night and stuff. She hangs out just outside the bathroom, and she used to live there. She just like, likes us being there because we love the home, and it's just a nice little connection there. But, you know, I don't, I never found that sort of thing scary, but I think it's partly because I was just kind of, you know, back in the early days these things happened, but I never really thought much about, you know, what does this mean, or or why?

Alex Ferrari 10:38
So, what moment was it that finally said, Uh oh, I'm actually psychic.

Ainslie MacLeod 10:44
Well, yeah, there were two things. So two, two kind of epiphanies that happened. And the first one was, I was coming out of a very dramatic relationship, and I moved from the East Coast to, I mean, I'd moved from Scotland to London, to New York, to Atlanta, and then I bailed out and went to San Francisco. A friend's apartment came up. So I'm there in a really quiet apartment with peace and quiet. For literally first time that I could remember in my life, as crazy as it sounds, it was like a like a feeling of relaxation and, oh my gosh, tranquility. And I, I, you know, whole thing had been very stressful. And I looked at my hands, and they were kind of shaking, and I went, Okay, I need to meditate, because I haven't done this for years, and I sat down the sofa, closed my eyes, took a couple of deep breaths, and immediately heard a voice, not in my head, but in the room, the voice of an English psychic who I had had reading with 10 years before, before I thought, I mean, I'd be in the States for five years at that point. So, like, that been 10,10, years before, no thoughts about, I mean, I'd always in the back of my mind, thought I'd end up in America, but I didn't really know how. And I'm having this reading with this old guy, and he, he says, Oh, you're going to end up in California. I went, oh god. Went there once. Didn't like it, and it was situational. And so he said, there's, there's nothing you can do about it, nothing. Well, that voice came back in the room, you're going to end up in California. There's nothing you can do about it and it, you know. And I've told that story a lot, and people go, were you Were you frightened when you heard that voice? I got on my feet and I'm dancing around the place, going, oh my god, what the hell is happening? Am I going insane? Is, you know, as you would, yeah, as a normal was, what the hell you know so? But that really got me started, because I did nothing conscious to make this prediction come true. It was just like a set of circumstances. But what it got me thinking about was and reflecting on all the things that psychics had told me that had come come true, I made a list of them that night and it but the question I had was, how do psychics do it? Where does that information come from? So the next morning, I went to metaphysical bookstore in San Francisco, fields bookstore, I came out with this great big pile of books, all different subjects, you know, the Buddhism, past lives and all sorts of things. And just read a book a day for, I guess, a couple of months, trying to find the the answer. You know what? What's the source of this information? How on earth could somebody from 10 years before with such certainty know that this was going to happen? And a hell of a lot of other things as well. I counted, I think it was about 34 predictions that I'd had from psychics. And of course, the things they told me, you know, warnings that I didn't pay attention to, you know, things. Oh yeah, I've been there, sir. Oh yeah, that's like, you think, why? Why didn't I listen to them? Yeah. So that was the first epiphany, and it really got me interested, got me on the path. About a a year later, maybe less. I was living in a houseboat in Sausalito, just north of San Francisco, and I, again, it was tranquility I was seeking. And it was like it was helping me to, I think, de stress from literally decades of drama. And I took a trip to how. Why I had a session with a psychic, and she said, Oh, your your uncle's here. He's he wants to work with you. And she was maybe the third or fourth psychic who told me that my uncle John was a spirit guide who wanted to work with now he had been a total non believer like I've been. And I, my response was always a kind of, well, he's the last person I think of as a spirit guide. And I did do. I really believe in spirit guides. I'm not sure I, I do. And, you know, in fact, his name was John. I was going, Yeah, you know, everybody's got an uncle John, you know, common name, you know. So I'm trying to, you know, it's almost like, explain it away. But the next thing, I'm in a bookstore, and I would I felt, for no reason to admit I felt like spacey, you know, and wasn't doing drugs, I wouldn't, you know, on anything or whatever. I just was feeling really like in a very altered state. And I had, there's a couple of really weird things that happened. One was I just went to a bookshelf, and I just pulled a book out at random, open it up in a random page, and literally looked down, and there's the name of two of my parents, closest friends. It's a story about how they the Scottish. They'd helped some paranormal investigator check out a Scottish ghost that was visiting some lady in the States. And I'm going, that's weird, put the book back, went round the corner and ran into my uncle, and he was, he was there as well, John, Uncle John,

Alex Ferrari 16:46
But he's, he's been passed.

Ainslie MacLeod 16:47
He was dead, been dead for like, 10 years. Oh, so Uncle John was there. So he was there in fall. He was there for about one second, but three dimensional and real. And I know it's hard to explain, explain, but he was more real than he'd been in my memory. Oh yeah, if that makes sense, perfect sense. Yeah, there's like, oh yeah. He's he actually was more like this than maybe the whatever, whatever. And he had a message for me, and he wanted to work with me, and it was quite a bit of a bit of a longer message. He was there for about a second, just maybe about 18 inches away from me on the right side and and then just gone, but with a longer message about wanting to work, work together, and, you know, talk to me. You know, I'm here to help you, and you're meant to be doing this work. So when I went back and to the tranquility of the houseboat, I just went, Well, I don't really know how to go about doing this, but I just sat down and went, Okay, John, are you there? And it wasn't like a voice exactly, and I still can't explain exactly how I communicate with the other side. And in fact, it has morphed a little bit over the years as well, changed, or at least in the early, early months and years. It took a little bit of a time to find the very best way of communicating. But it's my Spirit Guides call it clear audience, but it's not like a the in fact, the guy who told me I was going to end up in California, he literally had a voice in his ear, and which I wish I had, because I was so clear, he would be going, What? What? Yes, I'll tell him. I'll tell him. It was, it was a freak show, but, but it was quite amazing. But for me, it was like a kind of knowing, and I would get whole sentences. So I started talking to my uncle, and very quickly he passed me over to spirit guides on another level, different level, and they're the ones that I work with now. And so what I did after that was I, I spent three years practicing to a point where my Spirit Guides are kind of looking at their watches and going, is this guy ever going to do readings for people? And finally, they sort of pushed me out to the nest and started finding me clients. I started reading people, and the rest is history,

Alex Ferrari 19:28
As they say, that's that's fascinating, you, you. It's so fascinating. How many, how many people in this field, they didn't want they never had plans on it. It wasn't something some do, but a lot of people are with I was the reluctant part spiritual podcaster. This was insane for me.

Ainslie MacLeod 19:47
Well, I was the reluctant psychic, yeah. And I even tried finding other terms, spirit channel, or was one of intuitive, intuitive listen that and and terms that were so vague, I think. People didn't know what the heck I was talking about.

Alex Ferrari 20:02
You gotta you got yourself out of work by your marketing,

Ainslie MacLeod 20:05
Right! Exactly. And there was this one, one thing that happened, I was at a party, and the the host's father was there, and he was he was deaf, and he says to me, so what do you do for a living? And I would mumble, when people ask me that question, it's like, Oh God, I can't believe they're doing it. And I went psychic. He goes psychotherapist, and I'm going no psychic psychiatrist. And finally I go psychic, and everybody in the room, they've been listening, they're all turning the records laughing, yeah, and, and that was a moment where I just embraced it. And after that, when people said, what do you do? I go, I'm psychic.

Alex Ferrari 20:54
What are the reactions?

Ainslie MacLeod 20:56
Well, that was interesting. Yeah, it is. Because you get, there's really two reactions that I get. One is the oh my gosh, I want to talk to you more. I had this amazing experience or whatever. And the other one is they just stare blankly, like they don't know how to respond to it.

Alex Ferrari 21:15
It's almost like the programming in their head can't accept this. They've heard of it, but they've never met another human being who's actually doing this right for a living. I get it at a different level. I get something like that with this. Like, what do you do for them? Like, Well, I I tell them I run a media company now, and that kind of opens them a little bit, yeah. But then I'm then, like, but what? Like, you know, I have a podcast, and that for a lot of people to like, how do you how do you make a living? Like, is that all you do is just because so many people have podcasts now, oh, yeah, but they don't get to this level. That's right, you know? So yeah, for them, it's a weird and I got that when I was in the film industry. What do you do? I'm a film director. What? Like, right? Like Spielberg. I'm like, No, not like Spielberg, I wish, but not exactly like Steven, but it so I've been getting those kind of reactions throughout my life, so I kind of understand, but now it's even like, what's your So, oh, your pot, what's your podcast about? I go. I talked to psychics, I talked to channelers, I talk to quantum physicists, rocket scientists, near death experiences, and then by throwing all that in, you know, they're like, oh, it's very interesting, right? It's a lot more open now than it was 20 years ago.

Ainslie MacLeod 22:36
Oh, I agree. Things have changed rapidly, very Yeah, it's much easier to talk about it without people looking like you're absolutely crazy. And one thing I've done is I never try to sell people on what I do. Same here. What happens if I in the early days I was so excited about what I could do and the fact I'm talking to invisible entities on another plane of existence. You know, I wanted to share it with people, but what I found was that if I tried to sell anybody on what I was doing, my throat would close up. Throat Chakra close up. I literally couldn't get the words out. And so I spoke, spoke to my spirit guides about it. And they just said, You're not here to sell anything. You gotta convert, yeah, just present what you do, tell stories. And if people are interested, they'll, they'll come to you. So one thing that I, I try to do is not avoid conversations with people about it, you know, for they say what you do, and I will talk about things like spirit guides, and maybe that's new to them, but I try not to pander to, you know, their level of understanding. You know, maybe they think it's weird, but I don't anymore. I mean, I certainly did in the early days, but that's my life. I talked to spirit guides. I explore past lives, and I help people figure out their their present life by understanding the past

Alex Ferrari 24:12
So, so that's an interesting part of your work, is that you've really focused in on past lives. Yeah, that is your niche within the psychic world, when you when you do readings, it's always about past lives. Do you ever talk to uncle Bob when he's in the room? Like, if I'm right, there is Uncle Bob behind me. You don't do that. No work. That's

Ainslie MacLeod 24:30
No except in the very, very early days before I kind of learned how to protect myself and stay on the one level. I talked to causal plane spirit guides. In my early days, I was working out of a shop for a while, and every so often I'd be talking to somebody about and I'd be trying to talk about their life purpose, the bigger picture stuff, and suddenly grandma would come in from the astral plane. She's going, I don't like the color of the curtains, and the person's going, Oh, I knew she wouldn't like it, but and it was fascinating, and people were blown away, but it didn't interest me at all. What really fascinated me is what I do now and how past lives play into the present. So that's where I it started, when I I would be reading somebody, and then past life would come up. And then more and more often until it really became my shtick is it's, you know, it's what I do. So for example, when I'm reading somebody. Now, if, if I do a first session with someone, I get a past life before we even talk, before meeting the person and it. And then the fascinating thing to me is figuring out how that's going to relate to the present life. So, you know, I might find somebody who was a dancer in a past life, but they broke a leg and they couldn't do it any longer, and then find that that person is a dancer in this life. You know, surprise, surprise. That's not really because they're making up for lost time, the stuff they didn't get to do in the past life. So, I mean, that's a bit of a mundane example, but it's just become a bigger and bigger part of what I do the we're, all of us, affected by past lives in ways that most of us don't understand. It's not mainstream.

Alex Ferrari 26:32
No, it's definitely not. But one thing I want to this is the thing that kind of blew my mind off when I first heard the term, and I'd love to hear your perspective. Since you worked in past lives, I've been told that, that there is no past life, there is no future life, that all lives are happening at the same time. If that is the case, first of all, do you agree with that? And secondly, if that is the case, how is how do we go like there's no linear time on the other side, obviously. So how does that work?

Ainslie MacLeod 27:03
Yes. It's not my understanding. I mean, no working with my spirit guides. They talk about time being essentially linear. It is different on the other side, which is why we can get pre cognition and so on. But that idea of everything happening simultaneously is it's not something my Spirit Guides would agree with. Okay? So it's my understanding is that it is more. I mean, for example, people who said, Have you ever seen future lives? The answer is, no. I mean, they haven't happened yet. So,

Alex Ferrari 27:34
But you're able to see some part of the future, not future lives, but future, future potential. Yeah, potential, and that's a big key word. There is potential, where a lot of people who want to debunk psychics like, well, you weren't exactly like, well, there's still free will.

Ainslie MacLeod 27:48
That's it, yeah, that's the that's the most important thing that we have. Free will. You know, if some people think that, you know, you hear people talking about, everything is meant to be. Well, no, it's not, I mean, and also that's fine if you're, if you're, you know, you're saying that from your beach house in Malibu, but you know, if you're, I don't know, in a secret prison being tortured or something, I don't think you're going to feel like, Yeah, this is just where I'm meant to be right? Now, everything's highly evolved, you know, yeah, yeah. No. Stuff happens on the on the physical plane, and we have free will, and that's a big part of what we're here to do. If we came in and everything was predestined, what would the point be? There would be no growth. I mean, we just should be like a train on a track.

Alex Ferrari 28:39
There would be as boring as a video game that you knew what was going to happen every single time. And there was no challenge, there was no variation, nothing like that, no variety. Why even play? Yes, it's a boring game.

Ainslie MacLeod 28:51
It's exactly that. It would be a very boring Yeah. So we have, I mean, we all have life plans, and that's a fascinating part of it all. That's what I break down in in sessions, the whole system that i i downloaded from my Spirit Guides. They call it the instruction. It's the title of my first book is, it's a way of looking at the it's 100 elements of your or potentially 100 elements of your life plan. Nobody would have all 100, but you can, you can make a selection of different things, like your personality is all chosen before you come here, things like that, certain missions and so on. But it can all be understood in terms of this system. And we all come here with with, like, a kind of rough outline. But nothing is carved in stone, because you can take it in any direction at all.

Alex Ferrari 29:43
But there are, to my understanding, Soul plan, so blueprint, soul contract, those are all kind of synonymous, yeah, to my understanding is that when you're making your soul plan, that there are, I call them mile markers in your life. So like you're going to be born in. Scotland, you're gonna a male. You're gonna be born to these parents. You're gonna have these opportunities along the way. You're gonna meet this person. And those kind of, those are kind of those mile markers. Now, how you get from mile marker one to mile marker seven? That's truly up to you. And you could go completely off the road, but on. But the farther you go off the path, harder life becomes and things, oh yeah, I'm starting to try to knock you back.

Ainslie MacLeod 30:29
Well, that's where your spirit guides come in, because they try to knock you back on, get you back on track, on

Alex Ferrari 30:33
the plan that you wanted as a soul you created on the astral plane. Yes, you could go off like, oh, I, you know this life, I wasn't going to deal with addiction, let's say, but I got into Hollywood, and all of a sudden I tried a drug, and they're like, oh my god, I'm starting to go off. That's when someone is going to try to put because you're like, that's not what you're supposed to be doing here. That's it. But you we have free choice. We can kind of go down those roads if you

Ainslie MacLeod 30:57
Oh, yeah, well, I love what you're saying about mile markers. I'm going to be using that, because that's exactly how it feels. There are certain major goals in each life that are, you know, usually things like partnership or work that that you want to do, but there's often many different ways to get to that.

Alex Ferrari 31:19
Yeah, exactly. So like, for me, like, on my mind, like I never really had a dream as a child to be a filmmaker. Had a couple of indications I liked movies, but there was a video store in my neighborhood, and that was my first job, and I was there for four years. If I wouldn't have had that video store job, I don't know how long it would have taken me to actually make the decision to go into the film industry, because when I went into the film industry, it's not nearly as cool as it is today, and there was no information. It was essentially running away with the circus. So that was, that's a mile marker I had to go through that process, right? My journey with the mob, that was fascinating, so fascinating, but that had to be a moment that I had to go through that was, I don't think that there was an option for that. I think I agree. I think at any moment I had the choice to walk away, but I didn't,

Ainslie MacLeod 32:11
But, but that's the that's the point, because that's where the free will comes in, because you have the choice when, because, because nothing, it's not all carved in stone, so you have these agreements with other souls, these experiences that you want to have, and they're going to help you. You may help them, but things don't always work out. You know, you might have an agreement to meet a partner, and then they turn up and they've got a severe addiction or some kind of, you know, develop some kind of mental illness or something. It makes having a relationship very, very difficult, or they're just a holes, yeah, well, it was the most difficult one I come across in my work is alcoholism, you know, you had this agreement you come in that person's often blocked through alcohol abuse. You know, it blocks the heart chakra and even, sort of sometimes the awareness that you have a deep spiritual connection with somebody you don't get the sense of that meeting soulmate. It's a numbing almost, yeah, and so it could sometimes make the the agreement null and void. So, you know, yes, because, just because something is is part of your life plan and the intention is for it to happen doesn't mean that it comes with guarantees. And I think particularly around soul mates, you know, you can meet somebody and, yeah, you had a deep soul agreement for this to happen, but something's gone wrong along along the way. We'll get you in the next one. Yeah, and, but sometimes what happens? And I've done this myself, where you try to fit this square peg into a round hole, because, oh, I know there's the soul connection there, so I should make it work, and when, in fact, probably the biggest lesson is to say, Hey, this is not going to work. I'll move on, because there's always multiple alternatives as well to anything that you do so, and things are really not working out. I mean, because I've had a lot of people I've worked with have been afraid to leave an abusive partner, say, because they feel, well, I meant to stick in this. You know, there's some lesson there. And I go, the lesson is not for you to develop boundaries, maybe or not allow yourself to be abused. That should be the lesson. Not, I have not, not. I have to somehow be abused for some mysterious reason.

Alex Ferrari 34:35
So when you came when we met a little while ago, when you came in, you said something that was interesting to me, that you actually asked your spirit guides about me, and you did research I did for before you came. Yeah, I assume that's how you check all podcasts that you go on. Like, let me just check out who these guys are before I go down there. You said it was a very fascinating reading I have really never on. Show or anything like that. Ever had any sort of like past life readings, and I don't want to do a full reading or anything like that, but I'm just curious what you came up with. I'll give you some of the highlights, some highlights, and it also maybe is an example of what the kind of work you do and and kind of readings you do.

Ainslie MacLeod 35:14
Well, one of the things that I always do is look at the personality of the person that I'm working with. You know, because who you are is why you're here. You choose a personality for the for the journey. In my in my book, I talk about how you wouldn't wear flip flops to climb Mount Everest. You choose a personality for the journey ahead. Interest. I've never really thought, oh yeah before, yeah.

Alex Ferrari 35:37
Because if it wasn't for my personality, we wouldn't be doing what we're doing. Like, there's a very distinct

Ainslie MacLeod 35:42
Who you are draws you to certain experiences. Now you're a spiritual soul type, like most of the people I work with, you develop that through lifetimes, actually as a contemplative or a healer. But doesn't mean that's what you necessarily do in this life, but it will give you an interest in spirituality. You have a primary influence of a performer, which means that you've been, you know, you've been on stage in previous lifetime, singer, dancer, actor, presenter, salesperson, and that gives you people skills and part, part of the journey for you, this is Kind of going a little bit off just the personality. There's a little bit more to it. You're here to actually make an impact on the world. You know you want to, you want to make a a splash, and you want, you have to be well known to be able to do that. And I don't want to get too down in the weeds, but one thing that you're here to, well, it's an important part for your life. Plans to make sure you don't push away any kind of level of celebrity when it comes along, like feeling maybe it's egotistical, they want to be noticed or something, because how you will have the biggest impact in this world will be related to how well known you become. So that performer in you always wants the biggest bang for the buck. You know, if you can reach 500 people, how do you reach 500,000 it's always looking to maximize whatever you do and avoid any any tendency to push away fame when it comes your way as well. So, and then there's a few other things that show up in your in your personality. One thing I really like is that you've got the leader in you, you know. So you've got an air of authority, but you also have it coupled with a caregiver influence, which is from taking care of people in past lives. So you've got a warmth. And you know, well, as I turned up here today, I felt welcomed. I felt warmth. It's like, you know, you're immediately just so charming and welcoming. And that's that, you know, the heart the caregivers associated with empathy and everything around the heart chakra. A lot of it's actually healing the heart chakra from trauma, from past lives as well. There is an interesting past life that you had, and I got quite a bit of detail, but I'll give you the highlights of that, if you want to Sure, yeah, the past life was in Spain during Franco's regime. Okay, so you know, during year, what years with the Franco regime, from 39 to 69 or something like so that we're talking about 2000 years ago? Oh, no, we're not. We're talking about just recently 20th century.

Alex Ferrari 38:44
Yeah. Remember, my Spanish history is a little foggy, so please, I'm like, Franco sounds familiar, right? So that's what in the 1900s

Ainslie MacLeod 38:51
Yes, so probably from around the beginning of World War Two to

Alex Ferrari 38:56
Is that during their civil war? Yes, that's what I thought. Okay, yeah, okay, yeah.

Ainslie MacLeod 39:00
So Franco was the fascist leader. You were a journalist or writer, and you wrote something about him or about corruption in his regime. It put a target on your back. You ended up being arrested and imprisoned. I even got the prison. It was, what was it called, la model, or model, or something like that. Oh, it's in Barcelona. Interesting. Yes, you're in Barcelona. Go in there this year. Really so interesting, because you're going to feel something.

Alex Ferrari 39:35
I want to go. That's why I'm asking. I'll just go, just to see if I feel anything.

Ainslie MacLeod 39:40
Oh, I guarantee it. Okay. So you, while you were in prison, you wrote a kind of memoir, but you wrote it in Catalan, which will apparently Franco. Not very happy about people speaking Catalan or catalanes. I don't know what you call it, but and everything you wrote was destroyed once you got out. I think you did something like two or four years in a prison once you got out, you you kind of allied with some trade union people and but there was a couple of people who had been in prison with You, and they thought you were maybe an informant or something. You weren't at all, yeah, but you weren't, but they actually beat you up, and as a result of the beating, you died in prison or outside. This is outside prisons maybe a couple of years after. And so there are several things that come from us. One is that anybody who's been imprisoned, at least for long enough, will have a past life fear around powerlessness, because when you're in a prison, you have no control, no agency. So how it normally shows up in this life is, if somebody tries to control you, you get that sort of equal and opposite reaction. So it's always associated with the phrase, don't tell me what to do. Oh, that's probably ask your misses about that.

Alex Ferrari 41:18
Oh, yeah, you could ask her about that. I have a horrible relationship with authority, yes, since I was a child, of course, and one of the reasons why I literally do everything on my own, yeah, I'm outside of the system. I'm outside of I built my entire career outside of Hollywood, even though I was invited in every once in a while, but I would always be outside, doing my own thing, because I could not have anyone tell me what did like if someone tried to produce this show, they would, they would not go far, right? You know,

Ainslie MacLeod 41:51
Absolutely just. And actually you touched on something that is related to that past life. When you died, there was a feeling of abandonment, rejection, and that can be anything. When you you die on your own, it's often a battlefield type death. I'll see where this rejection comes in, feeling of being abandoned by humanity or God, if that's your belief, or whatever. And you had that feeling of rejection and abandonment. And when you have that in this life, you're going to have a sense of being an outsider, or like you don't fully fit in, then you've got that issue with authority for terribly obvious reasons. And another fascinating thing as well. I'd be really interested to see how this shows up when you've had a lifetime, or very often depends. Not everybody would have this, but when you've had a life where you've been imprisoned, incarcerated or enslaved, where there's a level of austerity, you know, looking at four brick walls for 24 hours every day, there's no color, there's no natural beauty, and so on. It leaves the soul craving that in future lifetimes. So your soul wants to have beauty around it, whether it's exposure to nature, trees, plants, flowers, or it could be art or color or something like that. But beauty to make up for the austerity, it's like the karmic pendulum swinging from from one direction to another. So whether it's having nice art on your walls, I noticed coming in, you know, it's decorative. I mean, I wish people would see the whole of this studio they were in, because it is beautiful. I mean, look at this, you know, I rest my case, but that's an important thing for you to have in this life to make up for the the absence of it in the past. Life interesting, and there's more, yes. So when you've been singled out for mistreatment like you were, it creates a fear around self expression, and then what you want to do to overcome that is that you want to express your thoughts. You want to get things out into world. You want people to know where you stand on things that it's it's very important for your your opinion to be heard and for you to stand up for your right to hold, maybe, views that are not mainstream or or whatever. And I'd imagine that's something you would kind of resonate with very much, quite strongly, pretty much, yeah, yeah. Another thing that came up from that life is one of the lessons that you're learning, and it's very much related to what you're doing this this work is about discernment, and it's about separating the wheat from the chaff, like separate separating the authentic from the Bs in a in a world where there's a lot of the BS as well as a lot of really great authentic stuff, but it's learning to discern the difference. To be able to then help other people to do that.

Alex Ferrari 45:03
That makes perfect sense, because a lot of people watch this show and and if they see somebody on the show, they they think automatically, like, Well, Alex did the research, and he wouldn't let someone, a charlatan, come on the show and we do the best job we can. Yeah, can I say all 500 and something episodes were knocked out, probably not especially early on. But nowadays, we're really, my wife and I really, you know, put a guest through the ringer before they come on, if you know, and a lot of its instinct, yeah, I trust her instinct, and I trust my instinct, and I will be able to like when you came across our, our, our computer screen, she's always the first to look at it, and if it passes her, then it gets to me. Generally, a lot of times it comes through me some magical way, right gets to me. That happened with a bunch of great guests that we've had. But then I looked at what you were doing. Was like, oh, past lives, interesting. I haven't done a lot of that. And I go, I always tell her, the same thing, get me a give me a video clip. Get me a video clip. I just need to see him. I need to hear him, and I need to see him. And within five seconds, I'll go, Yep, no, it's just that. It's intuitive. It's that quick. It's not like this. It's not mental. It's not, you know, there's a little bit of mental, but it's all feeling and I'll look at them like, yep, or something like, nope. Don't know what's going on there, but there's something there I don't like, yeah, and that's just the way it just, unfortunately, the way it is. So I it's that

Ainslie MacLeod 46:34
I did the same with you, by the way,

Alex Ferrari 46:36
I'm assuming it, yeah, you have these powers I have. I don't know what I have, but I listen to my instinct. And I've heard that from other guests, that they'll because they get asked on the shows, and not every podcast is equal, not be of size, but just the way they approach things and and I'm assuming that they do homework on me. They'll either talk their spirit guides, or they'll they'll tune in to me and see what I'm actually about. And we try to, you know, we're here to help. Yeah, we're here to help. That's really the bottom line. I want to shine whatever light I'm able to create, to shine it on people who are actually doing good work, yeah, in the world.

Ainslie MacLeod 47:10
Well, you know, I talked about you being a spiritualist soul type. And the the important thing is that people benefit from what you do in this life. That's where you will get that real sense of purpose. Plus, you have something called a desire for immortality, which is not about living forever. Glad to know, like, usually,

Alex Ferrari 47:30
I mean, I drink a green drink every morning, sir.

Ainslie MacLeod 47:32
But usually, you know, when old souls hear that, they go, God, I'm done. You know, please don't tell me I'm going to be stuck here forever.

Alex Ferrari 47:40
I'm going to do like the whole Moses thing 900 years?

Ainslie MacLeod 47:44
No, no. It just means you want to leave a legacy or create a ripple effect in some way, leave the world a better place for your having been here. And the common ways of doing that are to write a book. That's probably the most common, then things like making movies, recording music is another one. But these things that leave a legacy, it's always a big part of what you're here to do as well. And that's our major motivation for you to do what you do.

Alex Ferrari 48:15
Yeah, it's, that's, this is all very fascinating,

Ainslie MacLeod 48:19
And it's all in your life plan.

Alex Ferrari 48:20
It's part of it. Yeah, there was a moment of the why me scenario like you had. Yeah, why? Why me? What? Why? Why am I going to do this work? That's a problem a lot of people have in their own their own self doubt, because the programming that they've received is the self worth is not there, the self love is not there, there. They haven't connected internally yet, with a lot of their own stuff, to accept ideas like this or accept missions like this, I've been told what I'm supposed to be doing 1000 times. It was my first spirit guide. She's alive. She's been on the show. She's very ornery, and she's she's one of those people I've known since I was I've been also, like you, I was attracted to psychics, but it's cultural for us. Since I'm Cuban, it's in our blood. So I was always attracted to psychics. It was always something my mom would take me to some guy's house or some lady's house, or, like, we're having a reading today, like, all right, and then I would completely be like, so what's my future? And I was very back in the day, very into, like, what's gonna happen. Was very insecure about the future. I was always like, When am I gonna have this? When am I gonna do that? When's gonna when am I gonna find love? And, like, all that kind of,

Ainslie MacLeod 49:30
Oh, I was totally like that. Oh, I just, you know, I want to know what's happening next,

Alex Ferrari 49:35
Yeah, because I'm terrified now I'm like, whatever it's coming is coming. Like, right? I'll just ride the wave. Yeah, it's I'm a little bit more chilled now. And the funny thing is that I have, I have a Rolodex that's old I am a Rolodex

Ainslie MacLeod 49:52
Really showing you.

Alex Ferrari 49:53
I'm showing my age, sir, I'm sorry, mate. I have a Rolodex of some of the top psychics, mediums, channelers in the plan. In it and relationships with them. And I, I don't think I've ever once called anyone for a reading it, just if they offer it, I'll be like, All right, cool, right? You know, like you did, like you came, like, Oh, cool. But I would never in a million years call you. I'm like, listen, like, I just, I wouldn't do that. It's just weird.

Ainslie MacLeod 50:20
One of the reasons I would have thought is that you are so much on track from from what I was seeing, you know, some people I have to work with, I have to haul them from way over there to way over here, right? You're, you're, you're on track, you know, you're, you're doing. I mean, there's lots of different ways that you can express who you are, but what you're doing right now is perfect. It's checking all the boxes.

Alex Ferrari 50:46
Appreciate that very much. Your book is called Old Souls Guidebook. The term old soul is thrown around a lot in a lot. I have one, one child that was born, and when she came in, I was like, I just call her the old lady. She's just this old just my other daughter's a little younger vibe of a soul. Sure, I feel it. My wife does as well. But the other one is like, literally like an old lady. Like she acts like an old lady, she talks like an old lady, or her point of view on things. I'm like, what I mean? And then I tell them, you know, you're an old soul, like, what, you know, my favorite thing to do is always tell them, anytime they get angry at me or angry at my wife, or, you know, doing parenting stuff, that I go, Hey, you chose me. And they're like, We didn't choose you. It's just random.

Oh no, oh, you know, yeah, you choose your parents, and they choose you. It's all by agreement. And the big question people always ask is, why or what was I thinking that

Must have been in a rush that day. That's what my wife says to me all the time. Oh, I must have been in a rush if I pitch you.

Ainslie MacLeod 52:01
Well, we don't always make the wisest choices, but you know, and things don't always work out. But the reason that we choose our parents, for example, can be to trigger issues to be worked on. Of course, it's a tough way to get the lessons, but your soul doesn't want to continue to keep going through lives and not being able to work through stuff. So sometimes it forces it a little bit you might be working through that fear of rejection I talked about. So the person with that wants to may want to trigger that to come more to the surface, and by choosing maybe a family where the parents are distracted, or their mom doesn't really bond with you, or something like

Alex Ferrari 52:47
Anyone born in Generation X,

Ainslie MacLeod 52:51
Yeah. So then, then you it, it brings the that all fears come from past lives. You get triggered by experiences in this life, but the cause is not this life. It's always pre existing. That's why people react in very different ways to trauma. You know, one you know, let's say siblings lose a parent. One sees it all about loss. Another one could see it all about self esteem or abandonment. It depends on what's lying in the in the past life, there's another thing about this. It's, it's, it's actually related to, very much to the work that you do with that fear of rejection that you're working through in this life. And I think every single podcaster that I've that's interviewed me in the last four or five years since my, my last book came out has this, you're, you're trying to heal the sphere of rejection by creating community. It's by bringing people in. It's, it's one way to heal is to is to belong. And if you can belong and you don't get rejected, that's very, very healing. But to be the uniter, to be the person who's responsible for bringing people together, that's an elevated way of healing. And it can be small things like calling somebody to go for a cup of coffee, or it can be big things, like what we have a membership community, for example, and it fulfills that purpose. You know, we're healing our own issues by helping other people come together and have a safe community, or soul world community, where they can hang out and they can share their journey and learn about their soul's purpose and so on.

Alex Ferrari 54:39
That's beautiful. That's very beautiful. So, so what is an old soul?

Ainslie MacLeod 54:45
An old soul is somebody who's been around the block a few times or many, many times.

Alex Ferrari 54:51
How many lives are we talking about? Because that number changes. I know some people have read hundreds. Or is it 1000s? Or is it like 15, like. I've heard all sorts of things.

Ainslie MacLeod 55:01
Most people I work with would have, most people I work with are old souls. They've people are going to be interested in this work tend to be older souls. So they've usually been on this planet for it could be something like five, 6000 years would be roughly how long it takes to get to very much to the end of the journey, and usually something around about 110 120 lifetimes, although it can be hard, because generally, your soul wouldn't count lives where you never really got off the ground, because there's so much infant mortality in the past, or, you know,

Alex Ferrari 55:39
And that does, when there is infant mortality, there is something that the soul takes from that life,

Ainslie MacLeod 55:44
Of course, but it usually it would feel like a failed life. It's the term

Alex Ferrari 55:50
False start.

Ainslie MacLeod 55:51
Yes, yeah, like you didn't get on track. You didn't get the chance to do all the things that you'd really set out to do, because you didn't make it long enough. So, you know, usually, then you'll want to come back and complete something. But yes, so the actual number can be, I mean, it could be 200 plus if you take into account the times that you didn't make it beyond age two or something.

Alex Ferrari 56:16
So right now, currently, our current system, what I was taught in school, I'm sure what you were taught in school that was about 6000 years old or so, give or take, humanity, though we've been around for hundreds of 1000s of years, where we are now, like where the great pyramids and all that kind of stuff was around 6000 years ago. Though, archeological stuff is happening now that, you know, Cobell Tepe and all of these other things are pushing our timeline farther and farther back, up to 15 to 20,000 years, and the Younger Dryas and we can go down that road, but, but like the I've heard many people talk about lifetimes in Atlantis, lifetimes in Lemuria, and even farther back, did you have You come across those?

Ainslie MacLeod 57:00
No, no, not at all. My, my spirit. Guys won't go there. They don't go that far back. Well, no, they won't go to that subject. So interesting. Yeah, it's just like I've asked them about Atlantis, they go just, this is not your thing. You know, it's just

Alex Ferrari 57:15
You're not the first to say that too. Because there was another, there was another psychic medium I know good friend of mine, and she started to go down, she just started questioning about life on other planets, which, if you just look at the universe, logically, there's something going on. Oh, and we can cut we'll get

Ainslie MacLeod 57:34
Oh, my spirit guide says that people who think we're alone in the universe, it's they say it's a failure of imagination more than anything else. I mean, just the scale of the universe.

Alex Ferrari 57:43
I mean, the scale of the Universe is so infinite. You mean to tell me where the ego, the our egos. It is ego like we're the only ones. Well, remember we used to be the center of the universe and everything, everything revolved around us. And, you know, we figured that out, right? Yeah. But she started going down there, and her guide said, Nope, that is not your lane. Get back absolutely your lane. So that's very interesting that you said that.

Ainslie MacLeod 58:10
Yeah. So it's things that my spirit guides just don't want me, just I can't I can't even answer. They just don't want to talk about it.

Alex Ferrari 58:18
It's not your it's not your brand, exactly. It's not my stick, or it's not your stick, it's not your brand. And if you start going off, it's gonna muddy the water. Yeah, you need to be very focused on what you're doing. It's exactly that, have you? Have you ever come across past lives, in other incarnations that are not earthly? Nope, not even, no, no, it's not so they're only gonna work. So if I come, even if, let's say I was a king Warlock somewhere, Star lock in another planet somewhere, right? You know an avatar. I was in the avatar planet. I'm a NaVi somewhere over there, and I had multiple lives as NaVi. When I work with you, it's only going to be earthling or earth based.

Ainslie MacLeod 58:59
That's all I get. Is that's all you come in human and people ask about or do I was a dog in my last life or whatever, right? No, you've been human from the beginning to the end, and that we stay in this, stay in our lane, you know, we stay in our species. So that's all I can tell you on that one. But you have to go back to the old soul thing, because, you know, we we live in a world that is not always conducive to the happiness and well being of old souls. Stop it Shocking. Shocking, isn't it shocking?

Alex Ferrari 59:42
Also, empaths, not so not so good either.

Ainslie MacLeod 59:45
So you know what's, what I talk about is the you know, the difference between young souls and old souls, and how this journey takes you. It takes you from a place of Me to We, you know, this self, self absorption. This very limited view of the world, to recognizing that we're all connected, that we're we're all one, and that becomes so much clearer when you get when just because you've had all this experience, you've been in every part of the world, you've you know, you've been male, you've been female, you've been poor, you've been rich, you've, you know, you've you've been all over the place and had all these experiences. So when you get to the end of the journey, Wherever you look, there you go. You know, you identify. It's like empathy. I mean, it's really the journey. Can also be described as coming from fear to love, and with love, it's empathy, compassion and caring. Young souls have still to get that. And unfortunately, we live in a world where there's so many young souls in positions of power, especially, especially what's happening right now in the state

Alex Ferrari 1:00:55
Or the china shop era,

Ainslie MacLeod 1:00:58
It's, I mean, it's kind of dispiriting. It's very triggering for a lot of old souls as well, especially ones who had with what's happening now, you know, with an authoritarian president and this rise of fascism that's going around the world, around the world, yes, yeah, it's not just here, and it's triggering memories from for a lot of old friends. Franco Stalin, yeah? Hitler, sure, sure. All you know all day. Oh, yeah. Mao, so he has been so much of that. And these old souls know how dangerous this is. You know what's happening politically in in the States, is this, this is the difference between young soul, young and old souls. Old Souls tend to be much more. It's about the heart and this connection with others. So you know, they it hurts an old soul to see people you know, being marginalized or picked on because of, you know, like trans or they're, they're an immigrant or wrong color, or whatever, you know, the different beliefs and so on. Very, very triggering, because it reminds them of their, their own experience. But young souls, unfortunately, they they they see themselves and the other. And it's all fear. Everything is going on right now. It's massively fear based, and it's a greed that we're seeing like in like never before. It's fear.

Alex Ferrari 1:02:37
But let me ask you, Ainslie right now. I mean, humanity is going through some stuff. There's no question about it. And what you're talking about kind of leans itself into that. You know, I talk a lot about what's happening to humanity, because it's important people need to understand, because there's a lot of confusion going on. The world's changing so rapidly, and a lot of things are a lot of great things are happening in the world, no question, there's also a lot of negative things that are happening in the world, like you're just like you're describing. It sounds to me that we are as a species, as a collective, as a collective consciousness, going through our own karma, and humanity is being not we've gone just like we were talking about. We've gone off the highway that we as a collective is agreed upon, yes, where it's gone so far off now that the I always I always say it's a whisper first, then it's a tap, then it's like, hey, and the spirit guys are trying to tell you, you got to get back on until the sledgehammer comes. We're in the sledgehammer era. We're getting sledge hammered left and right in every walk of life.

Ainslie MacLeod 1:03:42
And as my spirit guides to say, the world was never meant to be this way, right? You know, it's we went off track a long time ago, 1000s of years ago, and and now we're kind of, yeah, we're, you know, we're reaping what we we kind of sowed. But we are changing. There is an awakening now. Well, my second book is called the transformation, and it's about the shift in consciousness that's going on right now. And it gets described in different ways. You know, most people in the spiritual world will have some idea of, you know, they talk about, you know, an awakening or whatever. So what I got from talking to the spirit world, because what I always tried to do is go back to the source. You know, even if I go and I think I got an inkling of how something works, I always go back and talk to spirit guides and go key. So what's, what's all this about? So when I asked them about this big shift, they call it the transformation, it turns out to be that we're going through something as humans that we last went through about 55,000 years ago, and that's when we got a shift in the level of consciousness. We went from what's called a stage two consciousness to stage three. Gives us. Much more creativity, ability to freedom of thought and ability to make more decisions, and it's really led us to be the creatures of reason and creativity that we are now. But we're actually going through another shift from stage three to stage four, and it's taking us all. I mean, it will affect young souls to some extent, but what we're seeing, and this has been going on for a while, it's pushback. It's pushback from these younger souls who don't understand what's going on and they're afraid of it,

Alex Ferrari 1:05:37
And they're trying to hold on to the ways

Ainslie MacLeod 1:05:38
They're trying. They're trying to hold on to the power and the way it it's always been. It's this terrifying change that they're seeing and they don't understand it. Part of the problem is that, and it's not to say there's, you know, young soul, bad, old soul, good or anything, but it's very hard for a lot of young souls to feel empathy for those unlike themselves, which source of racism, homophobia, transphobia and all that. So it's all fear through lack of understanding. So, you know, one thing that just blew me away was a quote from Elon Musk, who's a young soul. He's, you know, in an inexperienced, young soul, he's also a narcissistic sociopath. I mean, just is, you know, I mean, I'm not being, you know, mean or unkind. He just happens to be. He's acting completely from ego and fear. And you know, it's why no amount of money is ever going to be enough for him? It's all fear. And so he said something the other day about he sees that the something like the biggest challenge facing Western civilization is empathy. It's too much of it. He doesn't get it because he lacks empathy, as a lot of people around him do,

Alex Ferrari 1:07:06
And the chainsaw,

Ainslie MacLeod 1:07:07
Yeah, but literally lacking, lacking that ability to identify with other people, to be able to put himself, put himself into other people's shoes, and that's why you see the this level of cruelty, You know, just throwing people out of work, or throwing people out of the country, or, you know, or even you know, what's happening in Texas, you know, lawmakers are trying to push through a bill to make it literally illegal to be transgender, and as the father of A transgender son, you know it. I mean, I, of course, I've got skin in the game, as it were, but as an old soul, I would be standing up for transgender rights regardless, because it's the right thing to do. But younger souls to them, it's the other and they have to have somebody to focus on, somebody to hate, because it galvanizes, it brings them together. Makes them feel more cohesion. There has to be, you know, the enemy, something that I actually wrote in my first book, The Instruction was about young souls and power. They get very drawn to power. So they even in countries that are more kind of old soul, they often have a younger soul leadership, because these are more ambitious, driven souls that end up in these positions of authority. And what I said was that young souls don't want to govern. They want to rule. And the biggest enemy is not usually a foreign country. It's the opposition party, if one is even allowed to exist. And you'll see what's happening right now is, you know the the biggest enemy is to the current administration, is the other side is here. It's not Russia, or certainly not Russia, you know, but or other countries as much as the the enemy within. But they need that to feel that sense of differentiation and have an enemy to bring them together.

Alex Ferrari 1:09:23
So but right now, though, there is that awakening. Yeah, there is something happening. Shows like this,

Ainslie MacLeod 1:09:30
Yes, I'd like to talk about something more positive.

Alex Ferrari 1:09:32
I got, you know, I got you know, and you know, it's important for people to understand the reasoning why certain things are happening and and that there is an awakening happening. There's just no doubt about it. I mean, you know, you 30 years ago, this doesn't happen. Just you're not publicly talking about this, absolutely. No, you're in the back alley somewhere in the metaphysical bookshop, right, doing readings because, yeah, that's the only place you could do it. Or you're at somebody's house, and you only reason you get readings because somebody. Say, I know this guy, you know, and that kind of thing where, nowadays it's very much on the open

Ainslie MacLeod 1:10:05
And that is a total sign of this transformation.

Alex Ferrari 1:10:08
Oh, absolutely. Well, this show, being as popular as it is, is a sign. So totally a sign. It's a sign that there's something going on. And not just my show. Many other shows are also very popular as well, who are doing, you know, doing good work and and getting the word out and things. But these shows were not some of these shows have been around seven eight years, and now they're starting to flourish a little bit after doing it for seven or eight, right? You know, we came home three years ago and been able to do what we've been able to do in that short amount of time. So that says something that a filmmaker with no spiritual background, publicly, at least, yeah, could do what we're doing. So there's absolutely, there's no doubt in my mind, there's an awakening happening. Where do you see humanities, where humanity is going to go? Have have your spirit guides told you, like, okay, it's gonna be a rough ride. Hang on tight, but you're gonna be fine. Or is it? Like, yeah, you're you guys are out in about three years. So like,

Ainslie MacLeod 1:11:11
Yeah, hopefully it's not the latter, yeah. Well, I, you know, I Gosh,

Alex Ferrari 1:11:18
And if it's not good news, I'll just edit this out.

Ainslie MacLeod 1:11:23
I don't want to, I don't want to depress people. But what we're going through right now is, it's not something that we're meant to go through. It's, this is, it's an aberration. This is, you know, it's gone horribly wrong. So

Alex Ferrari 1:11:37
Reaping what you sell, reaping what you sell,

Ainslie MacLeod 1:11:40
Yes, kind of and, you know, when I asked the spirit guys about things currently in the States, they described as a disaster. So, and there's no getting away from that. It is really horrible. You know? I mean, you just see the cruelty being inflicted on on people, and maybe you haven't been affected personally. You don't think it's such a big deal, but you look at what's happening to other people who are being, you know, marginalized. They're losing their livings, their home, their and so on. This is really it's it's horrible stuff, and it's not going to get better anytime soon. But what we as old souls have to do is come together. This is the really, really important time this. This is a time for cohesion, for community, for being there for each other, and it's it's an opportunity to really walk old soul values this. We are all meant to walk paths as old souls, well as any soul. We're meant to do it, but particularly as old souls, we're we're meant to walk the path of truth, freedom, peace, love, understanding, equality and so on. There's, there's 10 paths, and we are also meant to lead by example as well, to stay in a heart centered place and be an example to others, particularly younger souls who need to see that sort of thing. So there's never been a more important time for us to come together, find our community, find our people, and this is what you're doing. This is what an amazing thing you're doing to be able to bring people together with fascinating stuff they can they can learn from stuff that appeals to older souls, younger souls, they're not going to I don't think you'll have many of them being drawn to this kind of work. You know, so much I don't think, like, I mean, they might be drawn to you, but they're gonna have pitchforks and flaming torches and, you know,

Alex Ferrari 1:13:50
Let's hope not. I'm sure I had a past life or two with those,

Ainslie MacLeod 1:13:52
Yeah, but community, community, community, that is a really important thing right now, that because, there's a lot of fear. It's, you know, it's being foisted on on the old souls. And as I said before, the lot of old souls are being triggered. And the worst thing to do when your fears like loss is a really big one, rejection. The worst thing is to isolate. The best thing is to find your people feel that you're part of something and so you're not going through the stuff alone. That's Yes. It's a big reason why we have our soul world community. And you know, whether you know it or not, it's a big reason why you're doing this?

Alex Ferrari 1:14:41
Yes, it's wonderful work. Yes, one of the reasons why we opened up Next Level Soul TV as a place to get really clean, conscious movies and televisions and episodes and audio books and things to help these souls along their path, in a way, because there just doesn't exist now it might exist. More of this kind of stuff in the future? Well, definitely, with no question, but right now, there is not a whole lot out there.

Ainslie MacLeod 1:15:06
Well, you're kind of at the Wright Brothers stage,

Alex Ferrari 1:15:09
You're absolutely right, yeah, I love that term, the Wright brothers. Stage, yeah. We're just like, soon, everyone's going to be on planes. Right now, we're building the first one, you know, we're building one of the early ones. You know, same thing with the car model T stage. You know, we're totally at that stage right now. I wanted to ask you about generational trauma. So two different, two different roads here. So there's our own past lives, right? So we have our own karma, we have our own fears that we bring in from other lives, things like that. And I have a funny story to tell you about a fear of mine, that it's not as fear, actually, I call it a healthy fear. It's not a not a phobia, but it's a healthy fear, right? And then there's generational trauma from your family line or your race line or your even your country's line, of what happened to them. So I wanted to talk about both of those, but on a just on a funny story of how I discovered this. I was, I was in Mexico, and I was going to Chichen Itza and, you know, Tulum and those kind of places. And I was in a site called Coba, and I was by myself, basically on a walk about, you know, this is, this is before I met my wife, and I saw this pyramid, and everyone's going up to the top. Like, oh, cool. And I was like, start climbing up the pyramid, and then about, you know, three quarters of the way up, or something like that. I'm kind of, like, I'm tired. Let me just sit here in the step and turn the second I turned around. I had never been that high in my life. And I was like, and I just got, I got real small. I got terrified, terrified. And I just grabbed my camera at the time. I was like, click, click, click. I was here, I'm going down. And I asked to the to the stairs, all the way down, these ancient steps going all the ass down. And only years later I had a meditation where I had a vision of, I guess, me at the top of, like a Mayan or Aztec pyramid being sacrificed and tossed off, yeah. And I was like, oh, that's why I'm afraid of of heights and also terrified of being at the top of a pyramid. Does that make sense?

Ainslie MacLeod 1:17:27
Yeah, the dreams, or these visualizations that you can you get are very often past life related, and there's a few things there, the fear of heights. Now I I had dreams. I had a recurring dream when I was a kid. I was Native American, and I was on a cliff. I climbed down a cliff to collect eggs, and I found I couldn't get up and I couldn't get down, and it was a feeling of like I'm going to die. It's just a question of how long I can hold on for, but I can't. There's, there's no way to get out of out of this and but I never, I felt myself falling, but never felt myself hitting the ground. And I don't know how many times I had that, that dream, and when I was able to talk to spirit guides, it turned out that that was a real past life that I had, and I always had a well in the dream. It was awful feeling of, I mean, it was my whole body, even, even thinking about it. Now, I can get a little bit of a visceral reaction, like, almost like a tingling, kind of a feeling. And so this happens with a lot of dreams that are there to get your attention show you stuff that needs to be worked on. Heights can come from experiences like that, you know, falling from a cliff or, you know, being on the top of a high structure like that. It can also be things like being thrown off a horse and dying, but that trauma stays with the soul. The trauma stays with the soul. Now there's kind of two levels of it. One is for something to show up as a fear. It has to in the past life have taken you off your life plan, it has to rise to that level, and maybe not even permanently, but at least for a certain duration that you're and the other one is if it takes you directly to death.

Alex Ferrari 1:19:35
So falling off a horse is not a big deal. If you fall off, you get back on.

Ainslie MacLeod 1:19:39
So you fall off, you're not hurt. You get back on and you just sprained your ankle or something, no big deal that would never show up in a future life. But if you fall off and you break your neck and die, then you're going to have a big fear of heights in the future. And horses, very, very, absolutely, No absolutely. And there is one other, it's. It's a little esoteric, but if you suddenly get evaporated, you're on a battlefield, and a shell goes off, like right there, and you are, you're there one second, and you're dust the nest. There's a disconnect, disconnection there with the soul separated from the body, and almost like it's not literal, but it's got sort of left hanging, and that creates a fear of heights, but I don't see that these days, really, as much as things like having having a fall that would be much more common. And then, of course, you know, one interesting thing about that is that I've worked with people who can't go up a ladder, like two steps on a lander, and they're freaking out, but they'll throw themselves out of a plane. They'll skydive, although bungee jump, because with every fear the soul is trying to get you to face it. It doesn't want to sit there and keep having it. It's so and that's why people get exhilaration from doing something like bungee jumping, because there is so much fear, but they're also conquering it. So it feels like, once they do it, they survive. It's, it's it's exciting, because they've overcome something really big. If you had no fear of heights, it's not quite it's going to be the same thing. So that's where it comes from. Death related fears, my spirit guys refer to them as phobias. And actually, can I give you sure a story? I put this in my in my last book, and I was just thinking about it yesterday, because the the person involved is a is a podcaster from here in Texas, and

Alex Ferrari 1:21:42
I know a few of them,

Ainslie MacLeod 1:21:43
Right, and carries her name she and she's allowed me to write about her, so she's happy to for me to use her name. Usually I keep people I change names for privacy. But So Carrie, she has a had a stutter, and, you know, very noticeable stutter. And when I was doing a reading for her, I found a past life where she had been. It was in France. It wasn't a time of the revolution, but I think it was maybe a bit before that. I can't remember now why she was she got into some trouble, but she she got beheaded. On her way to the guillotine, she was ridiculed. People are, you know, throwing stuff, yeah, tomatoes, rearing and, and, and this stayed with the the soul. It's this kind of ridicule, it it was. It's related to a fear of judgment and and also self expression. Throat chakra issues are about self expression. And so she lost, lost her head. Actually interesting people who have been bad, and it's a little bit more common than you might think. It was very common for execution all over Europe until very recently and other places. So I do come across it from time to time. It always relates to, almost always relates to neck and shoulder issues. And I literally had a client whose 20 years of chronic pain, neck and shoulder pain disappeared as I'm telling her about the past life where she got beheaded. But I digress. It's the ADHD. So one thing that happened as well to Kerry was that, just like when she was arrested in that life, they feel like a rifle button or foot just to stop her from running away, or something, you know, broke some bones in her food that shows up as a some kind of injury in this life, she's always had an issue there, but we all for past life years to come up, there's a trigger, and her trigger was going to school, and it so like, age five, she said she came back from from school with a stutter, and it was probably something like, you know, feeling judged by the teacher, or maybe judged by other Students. But it created that, that fear that came up and and I actually said to her, according to my spirit guys, I actually cringe sometimes when my spirit guys do this. I mean, they're always right, but when they say they when they give a promise, like in her case, they said, next time you go in front of a microphone, your stutter will be gone. And this isn't any kind of Mind over Matter thing. It's just, you know, it's because of this is how it works. We'll get reminded of what happens in the past, and it clears out these blocks. So because she was doing a podcast next day, she's in front of a microphone, and her stutter is. Scott he's gone just just like that.

Alex Ferrari 1:25:02
I've heard the I've heard stories of like so if you were shot in the battlefield in the back in this life, you will have a bowl a mole there, or something like that. There was another one I heard a past life where it was a Viking, or, I think it was a Scottish, I think it was a Scottish red headed, Scottish giant kind of dude, and he got axed in the shoulder, yeah, and he and that this life, that person had bad shoulder injury, like he just nothing ever happened to him. He just always was pain.

Ainslie MacLeod 1:25:33
You can, you can spot different places in the body, you know, based on what happened at the time of death, where the injury was, a lot of right handed swordsmen or x men coming down on the left side, absolutely so a lot of left side shoulder stuff I see, or neck issues, stabbing or being shot in the abdomen that will create could be anything from IBS to Crohn's celiac. Yeah, well, I haven't been able to I've gone celiac. So we've talked about this. I've not been able to cure myself, but I have. I've got several clients who have blown through Crohn's as a result of doing the past life work. Psoriasis seems to be very much related to past lives. I've had a few clients who've gotten over that. In each case, it takes roughly from the soul being reminded about the past life, something like maybe about a month.

Alex Ferrari 1:26:40
And this, and it's also just the soul letting go.

Ainslie MacLeod 1:26:43
Yeah, it's the moment the soul, well, the soul can't separate one life from the rest, because hodgepodge, well, it doesn't die between lives. So you might bring in all of it with you. Yeah, all the bags. It's all been carried with you. Now. It stretches off into the past and the further back, the fears that usually the you know, get forgotten about. I don't they fade, you know, or they get worked through. So I don't usually look at past lives more than maybe two or 300 years back, occasionally older if a big, you know, big triggers happen.

Alex Ferrari 1:27:17
So in my Roman life or my Egyptian life, and I was behead, not beheaded in Rome and but, you know, some sort of horrible, you know, eaten alive by Beatles in Egypt or something like that. Hence, anytime I go to the to the zoo and I go into the Beatles section, I'll go, oh yeah, I have a terrified thing while other people just play with a beetle, right, with a snake or something like that, and not have any any issue whatsoever.

Ainslie MacLeod 1:27:43
The interesting thing about snakes, I mean, we have a innate, an innate, visceral fear, right? Snakes for very obvious reasons. Same with fire, you know, it's for obvious reasons. So spiders as well. And it's to spiders and snakes. It's to do with the puncturing of the skin. It's those little fangs getting into skin. And so often people who pass out when they get blood or they get an injection, it's the puncturing the skin. The soul goes, oh my god, we're going to die, and they keel over. It's related to snake bite or dying by snake bite or spider bite in a past life.

Alex Ferrari 1:28:28
And so can you in this life. So let's say I have a trauma in this life. So when I was younger, I was I was in the hospital for a little while, and I had constant blood work done every day, and I'd never had a problem with it before, ever. I didn't bother. But because I kept sending in these students who had no idea how to find a vein, I was basically just being punctured constantly. And then I don't have a fear of needles by any stretch. I don't particularly like them, but I've gotten kind of over it. Like, I mean, like, it is what it is, you know, unless like, and I always make sure, like, how long have you been doing this? Can you find, like, I already, I could talk to the person, right? Like, you know, in, in, within a lifetime? Can you work through a trauma?

Ainslie MacLeod 1:29:15
Well, absolutely, you know, because we you always want to find out what happened the past. Like I said, you know, the you really have to skip back, you know, a life or several, to find whatever the original cause is. And what we're talking about here is with any any past life issue that's triggered. It's where you get a reaction that's maybe a little bit abnormal. It's a little bit above average. So what you're talking about is, I think anyone who's poked and prodded long enough is going to have an issue, but it's not going to probably end up in a complete phobia, unless you had something in the past life, like, I say, like snake bite or a spider bite or something, or where the puncturing the skin is associated with that, and you. In that case, you would have to die yes for it to

Alex Ferrari 1:30:02
Continue the word Yeah. So the other question we spoke about before is generational trauma. How? What is your understanding of, like, your own bloodline? Why you incarnate into this family line and dealing with trauma? So like, let's say you know, Uncle Bob, Uncle Bob's father, Uncle Bob's father and grandfather and so on, were all alcoholics, and there was a lot of abuse in that line, in that family line, but when they get to him, Uncle Bob's like, I'm stopping this. There's no more. I'm not gonna drink. I'm not gonna do it, and I stop this trauma, heal this trauma. For the family line is that makes sense?

Ainslie MacLeod 1:30:43
That, that happens, and actually is something I think you might have done. One thing I didn't mention about the little reading that I did for you is that you have third 10 missions for each lifetime. The missions are just a way to give a focus, and people will choose, usually anywhere between five and eight, maybe. So I have 10. No you well, but the one I looked at, I couldn't tell you about all of them, but what I looked at is it's a mission of love. And a mission of love is you don't need a mission of love to be loving. What it does, it's about healing the heart chakra and also keeping the heart chakra open, even when you're being triggered or this trauma or something going on. The reason people choose a mission of love is usually to heal from a past life of something like like rape or sexual abuse in a past life where the soul will shut down the heart chakra, it does this to try and protect you when you're going through something traumatic. It's why people have out of body experiences. Sometimes when they're going through trauma or they become numb, they're disconnecting. If they don't get the chance to reconnect to the whole mind, body and spirit thing and heal the heart chakra in the past life, then they'll do it in this life. And choosing a mission of love helps to helps to do that. So there will be some trauma like that in your past you have the mission of love. And a lot of times a sort of well, like it's 100% a past life thing is reason that you choose it. But maybe something like 80% of the time, what I see is somebody choosing a mission of love as well to help with not getting enough love in this life from the parents or whoever's charged with taking care of them, or it can be to stop that generational trauma. It stops with me, right like because it prevents you from becoming embittered very often, if you are, you know, mistreated or you don't get the love that you want in this life, but it will also help to stop reacting the same way. You know, it's been handed down through generations, and you'll be the one that that goes, No, we're gonna, we're gonna do things differently. We're gonna, you know, and particularly, coming from a more loving place. So that's a common thing to see in in families. It's like, it's, it stops now with me, the old soul of coming here, in here to heal something that otherwise would be continuing on.

Alex Ferrari 1:33:29
Have you heard the the concept of the Ascended Master that you've heard of? I've heard of it. Yeah, like these, these, these beings are Ascended Masters. To my understanding, I was, I read this, I think, in Autobiography of a Yogi Yogananda stated that when a soul reaches enlightenment for better, better word, or breaks free from having to come down here again, yeah, like the soul has evolved to a certain level, right? Once that soul does that, it erases karma for generations back, like it just cleans everything out for that line of souls that have been in soul group or something along those lines. First, have you ever heard anything like that? And then secondly, let's talk a little bit about karma from you, right?

Ainslie MacLeod 1:34:20
Well, I can't really talk about that again. It's one of those things that the spirit guides and not, you know. So I've got nothing I can add to really say about it, you know. I just don't you stay in your lane. I like that. You stay in your lane. Yeah? I mean, I could conjecture, you know, but

Alex Ferrari 1:34:39
That makes sense, doesn't make sense. Doesn't matter.

Ainslie MacLeod 1:34:41
Yep, but, but karma. No. I mean, I talk about this all the time. You know something, something, my spirit guides are always talking about the the first thing they always talk about karma is it's not punishment, because there is that idea that you're being punished. Yeah.

Alex Ferrari 1:35:01
A bumper sticker, sir.

Ainslie MacLeod 1:35:02
That's right, absolutely, and, and he's not karma is it's about really balancing. That's one experience with something else. So, you know, for example, if, if you were, I'll take an extreme example, but if you were a mass murderer in a past life,

Alex Ferrari 1:35:21
I like to, I like to pick on Genghis Khan.

Ainslie MacLeod 1:35:24
Well, what? He's very famous one. Oh, my God. I'm not sure if you'd have enough lives to clear the karma.

Alex Ferrari 1:35:30
I mean, we could talk about that as well, like these, these people in history, Hitler and Genghis Khan and Mao and and all of these, and some that we don't even heard of but killed millions and millions of people. How does that balance out? But go ahead,

Ainslie MacLeod 1:35:44
Well, you see, people have an idea that you kill somebody in a past life, and then you'll make some agreement. You'll say, Okay, in this life now you kill me, and we'll somehow balance it. But it doesn't work that way, because souls are the sort of prime directive is, I mean, it doesn't work in practice necessarily, like this. The Prime Directive is to treat other as you would like to be treated yourself, and that would not involve murdering anybody

Alex Ferrari 1:36:16
Very Christ, like

Ainslie MacLeod 1:36:17
Exactly when people, when people, you know, murder. They're, they're acting from ego. No soul comes into this world with the intention of hurting another soul.

Alex Ferrari 1:36:26
Are generally knocking each other off exactly. I mean, unless there's a block involved or a piece of gum or something that they want, right? But even then, murder is generally not what they

Ainslie MacLeod 1:36:37
Yeah, you usually feel pretty safe. It might be a slap or something, but that's it, yeah, like gun toting toddlers, they're not really a thing.

Alex Ferrari 1:36:44
We are in Texas. But anyway,

Ainslie MacLeod 1:36:47
Okay, yeah, what's more likely that will happen is that your soul will say, Okay, well, you know, I behaved very badly in the past life. And of course, the soul will have a lot of remorse about that. Even the thing is happening, the soul will be going, No, please stop, you know, trying to get you to stop doing what you're doing. It's going so against the grain and its core values. So it then it will get to the astral plane and go, Oh, I feel really bad about that, you know. And it will one of the things that when you process your life is you go to astral plane. You feel what you've inflicted on other people. It's how you learn. So you'll feel the hurts that you've imposed on on others, on the fear, the trauma and so on. And it teaches the soul like, oh my god, that was an awful thing to do, and how do I make up for it? So you might end up being a healer, doctor, or, you know, or finding some way to help humanity. You might be a humanitarian because you did some shitty stuff in the past. However, you could also, let's say you're on a battlefield and you get shot, and you your life is saved by like a MASH unit, and, you know, a mobile hospital, you might karmically feel grateful for that, them saving your life. So then you become a healer or a humanitarian in the next life. The point is that none of us are supposed to know why people are doing this work. It's their karma, because we're not supposed to judge them and go, Oh, that person works for Greenpeace or an organization. They must have been really shitty or something like that. Yeah, it could be just there. Maybe they were, you know, lived in a very toxic part of the world, and now they're wanting to as a result of their experience. They want to help others. So we're not supposed to know why people are doing these things.

Alex Ferrari 1:39:01
They just are. But they just are, yeah, they're drawn to these, these, this work. Yeah, regardless, Can we touch upon wealth and prosperity and abundance in lifetimes? Because it's, it's been, we were talking a little bit about this before we came on, is like, there is this myth of, like, if you're spiritual, you must be broke, right? You have to be, you know, penniless. You know, to do the spiritual work, which is so counterintuitive. Like, well, if you're going to do work that's going to affect large and large and large amounts of people. You need resources, even if they're given to you. I'm not saying you have to, you know, I mean, Yogananda had a beneficiary, and many of these spiritual teachers have beneficiaries that are able to amplify their message around the world. You could see it around the world now, but there is this idea that you can. Not be wealthy or abundant in your life, and also do spiritual work. I'd love to hear your point of view of that in the past lives and karmic example,

Ainslie MacLeod 1:40:12
Again, I mean a karmic thing about if you've experienced extreme poverty in a past life, actually, to clarify, if you there's no karma, if you come into a past life and you're poor from beginning to end, you've chose that, and so nothing went wrong,

Alex Ferrari 1:40:32
Because that

Ainslie MacLeod 1:40:32
It's what you chose.

Alex Ferrari 1:40:33
Yeah, that's an experience. If you're constantly winning, it gets boring.

Ainslie MacLeod 1:40:39
Well, you we're all going to choose. You know, that's the thing about soul. When it's making these choices about a lifetime, it's pragmatic. It's what do I have to learn? You know, if it was down to our egos, we'd all be choosing to be billionaires. But, yeah,

Alex Ferrari 1:40:52
but that's a life of materialism. And so it's right. It's like, all about that no money is ever enough.

Ainslie MacLeod 1:40:59
Oh, yes, you know. Well, that's a fear of loss. Absolutely. Where for young souls, they're in fact, the more money they often with young souls, can happen with old souls too. If they're blocked, the more money they have, the more they want to protect it. Now they got something they could lose.

Alex Ferrari 1:41:15
It's very funny. You say that because I've spoken to people like financial advisors, and they, they've spoken to me about that, they're like, you know, I have a few, you know, billionaire clients, and they are terrified of losing that. Let's say they have a billion, just $1 billion for you and I to comprehend that kind of wealth is so unfair. It's just right, it's so insane for one human being to have $1 billion and to be terrified of losing that where, in all honesty, let's just all honesty, after you get a house that's big enough, what's How big is a house for two people? How much space do you really need, right? How many cars do you really need? How many jets Do you really need? How many boats like, at a certain point, you know, after you hit $5 million does your life change a whole lot, right? You know, that's after you maybe a couple million dollars in the bank. You know, a lot of people listening like, Oh, my God, a couple million. But let's just say, let's just say you have a couple million dollars. Is your life going to change that drastically? Unless you change it, like, I have to wear designer clothes now, I have to do this. I have to have this kind of car I have then, yeah, of course. But at a certain point it's just numbers, right, right?

Ainslie MacLeod 1:42:39
But what's fascinating is that, you know, there's been, you know, any number of studies where, where people have talked about, you know, after 10 million you get taxed under percent, or something like that. You know that that should, which should max out, and young souls got no, no, that's, that's, that's crazy. You know, they'll never earn that money. But there's the idea in the bank of the mind, maybe they could, or what's the American dream, that's yeah, really, yeah, yeah, yeah. And yet, I mean, you would be comfortable for the rest of your life. Generation, yeah, it's generational. Yes, absolutely.

Alex Ferrari 1:43:16
Ten million if you know what you're doing, even remotely. Your kids,

Ainslie MacLeod 1:43:21
If you don't know what you're doing, it be pretty hard to burn through, through.

Alex Ferrari 1:43:25
I've seen some people. I've worked in Hollywood. Oh, in Hollywood, you could burn ten million in five seconds, yes, and have something that's worthless,

Ainslie MacLeod 1:43:37
Yeah, so. But in the main you know, like, yeah, so, but that is the fear of loss. And you know, I saying how you don't it doesn't get triggered by having nothing in the past life. It's going from one state to another. If you were comfortably middle class, or even just you could be relatively poor, but you become completely homeless. Something happens, you know, father goes bankrupt, the entire family, they end up with nothing. That creates the fear, because you're going from one state to another. And interestingly, a lot of people don't know they have a fear of loss until they have something to lose. Same thing, like they with a billionaire. If you're broke now, you go, yeah, it doesn't show up and you're broke.

Alex Ferrari 1:44:21
That's why people that's why people with loss. With lottery wins, I did, I did a documentary series years ago about that, about lottery winners. Most of them lose it all. Absolutely self destructs. They can't understand they can't they're not prepared to handle that kind of energy in their life, like if a billion dollars showed up in my bank account tomorrow, I would probably react very differently than someone who's very used to having a billion dollars in their bank account. They'll know what to do, where to do. I would probably be very terrified and just kind of like, okay, let's just put this away. Let me figure this out.

Ainslie MacLeod 1:44:58
Yes, let me take some time.

Alex Ferrari 1:45:00
Let me take some time. Let's look at things. How can but a lot of people get a billion dollars like, whoo, let's go. I'm gonna buy this mansion. I'm gonna buy that. Then it's all starts.

Ainslie MacLeod 1:45:10
I can't remember if I put it in this book, or one of my books, or if I wrote about it somewhere else, but there was a woman in in England back in the 1960s Viv Richards, I think was her name. She won, like in the lottery or football pools or whatever they had there. She won, I think was a million pounds, and which, you know, allowing for inflation, was a heck of a lot more would be heck a lot more.

Alex Ferrari 1:45:37
The alien pound still works today, by the way, yeah, you can buy a nice apartment in New York. She was not even actually

Ainslie MacLeod 1:45:44
Closet in New York. You can buy a closet New York for a million pounds. She was asked by the press what she was going to do with the money, and she famously said, I'm going to spend, spend, spend. It was the headline in all the papers, of course. And she did, and she blew through the whole amount in just a couple of years, right back down to zero. This is it's so funny bringing some because I talk to clients about this all the time. What you have is, it's like a if you have a past life where you've lost everything, then when you have the money deep down, what the fear tells the soul is that you're going to lose it all as well, so you might as well spend it, and it becomes a race to the bottom. I actually have a client who was given a million dollar gift by her ex husband, uh, blew through it in a couple of years. I think it was a very short period of time, and takes time. I was trying to explain this, this principle to her, and she was going, Yeah, but I didn't know my investments weren't going to work out. But she was investing in foreign currency exchange, very high risk stuff. Now, I mean, occasionally you get people with a fear of loss, much less common, where they're on top of every penny they they've lost it all before, yeah, in the micromanagement, but they're going to

Alex Ferrari 1:47:09
Have stress. Don't worry constantly.

Ainslie MacLeod 1:47:12
Oh, yeah, absolutely. I mean, I think, I mean, I know myself, you know, like, I mean, I've been able, you know, different times in my life, you know, I've had having money and lost it. I mean, I've been divorced a few times, so I know what it's like to to, you know, have money and not have money. And generally I'm able to, or I've worked through the fear, but generally, in my in the past, I've been able to get through any amount of money. I mean, it's not like I've had huge wealth, you know, I mean, we're, we're not talking millions here. We're talking about, you know, 1000s. But it goes as quickly as it comes in, generally, for you, for me, yeah, and it is to do with past life, fear of loss. Now I've worked through it, so I'm better able to say,

Alex Ferrari 1:47:56
Now you're loaded. So I understand

Ainslie MacLeod 1:47:59
It would be a fine thing. It goes back to, you know, people. I literally get letters from people going, Yeah, I don't think you should be charging for your work. That's not It's not spiritual. And I'm thinking, I never respond, you know, I mean, but it's like, well, you don't know how much it costs to run this business. We do so much stuff for free. We've got our we have a soul world Sunday that we do. It's like we have to hire staff. We've got cost. I mean, well, you know what it costs to run a business? Yeah, and, you know, or or put your kids through college, or whatever it might be, put gas in the and these people, what you think they should live in a paper bag at the end of the road, because doing spiritual work,

Alex Ferrari 1:48:42
But that's their own programming, and that's their own past life drama that they're bringing into this thing. But the thing is, like, content might be free, but it's not free to create. That's the bottom line, you know, to be able to put on a show like this and do a high quality show and bring high quality client, guests in and and so on. It takes time, and your work takes time and takes money, takes resources. So I have no problem with abundance. And if you look at nature, nature is abundant. An apple tree doesn't count the apples on its tree. There's more than it's it's over, it's too many apples actually come out of a tree, generally speaking. So it's, there's no scarcity in nature. So why should it be any scarcity in in our world? But also, it's what you do with that money. Oh, it's how so much what you what you do is what you do, how you treat it, how you treat other people, what you can do to help. If you're it's all about ego, then it's going to destroy you.

Ainslie MacLeod 1:49:44
But if you're like, I mean, I don't want to spend all the time beating up on musk, but why not? There's somebody who could, he actually had the opportunity used. He's they said, you know, you could end world hunger, basically. But. With a fraction of what he he's got, sure he goes, Oh, sure, I'll do that. Never, never follow it through. I mean, there's a man who could change people's lives and never even notice it. I mean, my God, riches,

Alex Ferrari 1:50:15
Oh yeah, you put him by Bezos,

Ainslie MacLeod 1:50:18
How they could change the world, and they don't. And again, it's the fear of loss with younger souls. They, they, they, it's the greed, you know? I mean, I don't call them the richest man in the world. I call them the greediest man in the world.

Alex Ferrari 1:50:33
Easily. I mean, I don't know about you, but if I can't even get out of the cup and in the morning without 200 billion in the bank, I know. I mean, it's just not easy. It's not things are expensive, inflation, eggs

Ainslie MacLeod 1:50:46
Breakfast.

Alex Ferrari 1:50:46
I mean, we laugh and we joke about it, because it's, it's ridiculous for us to look at this. Like, you know, if I've said this so many times and like, if $100 million showed up tomorrow, I'd be like, great. Now I can get to work. Now I can go do some stuff like, now I have the resources to really help people, to, you know, put out content that I really want to help with, to help people. Yeah, get you into the basic survival. Create foundations to help people. Yeah, it's all about that's not that's the only thing. I would never in a billion years sit on an island somewhere drinking a margarita for the rest of my life. It would drive me insane. It's not what I'm supposed to be doing.

Ainslie MacLeod 1:51:27
Exactly. Well, the people like like you and I, older souls with a purpose. You know, it would be nice to have that security, but it's the freedom that it buys you. That's what the old soul is looking for. Oh yeah, it gives you the opportunity to be able to do the things that will change people's lives and make a difference

Alex Ferrari 1:51:44
Without having to worry about, how am I going to pay rent? Yeah, you know kind of thing I'm going to ask you now a few questions, because I could keep talking to you Ainslie for hours,

Ainslie MacLeod 1:51:53
And I could keep yakking, you know, as you probably noticed, I love my work,

Alex Ferrari 1:51:59
And as I do, as do I my friend? As do I? I'll ask you a few questions. Ask all my guests Sure, what is your definition of living a fulfilled life?

Ainslie MacLeod 1:52:07
Well, because of doing the work that I do, I'd say it's living the life that your soul intended. It's like in every moment you want to feel like you're doing something that is giving you purpose and meaning. How do you find that, though? Well, it starts by understanding who you are. I always say that that's the you know, I think I said it before, who you are is why you're here. And once you understand the personality that you brought into this world, then you can start finding things that really bring you. Meaning, I'm a full blown creator soul type. I've got loads of past lives as an artist. I was a cartoon illustrator for 20 years. I paint now, and musician and musician, absolutely so. And it's so funny, like people about my creativity. People might go, Oh, my God, you're such a renaissance man. And is there anything you can't do? And I go, Look, I have about five talents, you know, I and they're all creative, you know? I can paint, I can write, and blah, blah, blah. But after that, it just boom, it just falls off like, you know, don't ask me to balance a checkbook

Alex Ferrari 1:53:15
And don't ask me to do math. Don't ask you to do math. Don't ask me to find directions. Directions, directions. Don't ask me where to like. Where do you like? If I don't have a Google Map, forget it. Oh, oh, my wife looks at me all the time.

Ainslie MacLeod 1:53:30
You may have my condition, which is dyscalculia. You should look it up. It's like when I discovered that one of one of the signs of it is not being able to distinguish between left and right, it was like, Oh, my God.

Alex Ferrari 1:53:42
Well, I can do that. Oh, you can. I can do that. And I can also, if I focus my mind on it, I can get around no problem. But my points, I just don't care. I don't I just not. It's something I don't want to think about. It's like one of those things, like, I don't just tell me where to go. You've lived here for 10 years, you don't know how to get like, just tell me where to go.

Ainslie MacLeod 1:54:06
Oh, that's such an old soul. I the same thing. It just doesn't feel important.

Alex Ferrari 1:54:10
I just don't care. Like, math. I'm like, Yeah, you know that's why, that's why we have the women in our lives do balance, if you will.

Ainslie MacLeod 1:54:20
Well, driving with my wife, Christine, it's, it's great, because she knows that I have this problem. So she, she's in the passenger seat, going, you need to turn left and non dominant hand, all right? Or she points like, you know, making sure it's really clear. Because otherwise she'll turn, she'll say, turn left and I'll be easy.

Alex Ferrari 1:54:39
Get out of my car, sir, get out of my car. Exactly what happens with me? She's like, did I have to tell you to turn left? I'm like, I was I was somewhere else. I was not. I was not right here. Yeah, if you had a chance to go back in time and speak to little Ainslie, what advice would you give him?

Ainslie MacLeod 1:55:00
Oh, gosh, oh, well, I think I would, I think I would tell younger me make sure I was using the right part of my anatomy when I made decisions about relationships.

Alex Ferrari 1:55:17
That's very wise words for all men and women, but specifically men more discernment, a little bit more discernment. These are things you needed to work out in this life.

Ainslie MacLeod 1:55:28
Yeah. Oh, it was, you know, I'm all about love, you know. And it's like, very much confusing, you know, kind of you

Alex Ferrari 1:55:35
Don't have to marry them all,

Ainslie MacLeod 1:55:37
I know, but I did.

Alex Ferrari 1:55:40
Fair enough. Fair enough. How do you define God or Source?

Ainslie MacLeod 1:55:44
Well, I, you know, I talk about spirit guides all the time, and whether it really to me, it feels like whether you're talking to however you identify spirit guides, God, higher power, Goddess, whatever. These are terms that are just referring to some higher level of energy. And for me, you know, when I first started working with the spirit world, I said, How do you want to be addressed? And, you know, is there some sort of groovy name we can find? They just said spirit guides. So that's it, you know, simple as that, but,

Alex Ferrari 1:56:23
And you have multiple spirit guides that speak out of one voice, essentially, yeah, like it's a collective.

Ainslie MacLeod 1:56:28
It's a collective and, yeah, but it's one voice, fair enough.

Alex Ferrari 1:56:31
What is love?

Ainslie MacLeod 1:56:32
Well, there's different ways, but I think to express that, but I I think love is, it's about having an open heart, and it's and it's also being fearless, you know, because it really is the if you you talked about enlightenment earlier on, from my Spirit Guides point of view, being enlightened is the absence of fear. Yes, once you get rid of your fears, yeah, then nothing is left but the heart and the soul. That connection with the soul, it's only fear that blocks the connection between the conscious mind and the soul.

Alex Ferrari 1:57:06
Beautifully said, beautifully said, If you could ask God or Source one question, what would it be?

Ainslie MacLeod 1:57:11
Oh, I asked, I ask questions all the time. That's a really hard one,

Alex Ferrari 1:57:16
Because you've got a straight hook up.

Ainslie MacLeod 1:57:18
Got a straight line straight you got the red phone on them. Yeah. Whatever I want to know, I can ask. I don't always get answers there. Certain things are not my highest interest to know, but so the lottery ticket numbers, not so much. That's what we're working on. That one we thought, well, actually Christine's father, who's long deceased, he's he's going to be he wants to start helping us with lottery tickets. And there was a woman who turned up at the to collect her her winnings from the California Lottery with a Ouija board under her arm. So people do that. That's brilliant. So far, my my spirit guides have not shown any interest. You know, it's

Alex Ferrari 1:58:01
Giving you millions of dollars, that's good. That's good. They're good. Spirit guys are doing the good work for you this time. And what is the ultimate purpose of life?

Ainslie MacLeod 1:58:11
The ultimate purpose is really to, oh my gosh. It's on two levels. One is to really be who you are, to be authentic, the authentic person that you're meant to be. But the other thing is to really live a spiritual life. And you know, this is we were talking about before this goes it's a lot more than just, you know, having a meditation practice and and and doing some yoga. These are means to an end, not the end itself. You know, Namaste, yes, exactly, you know. It's like, it's not just about wishing people Namaste. It's like, you know, it's about how you show up for other people. Yes, the service, it's service to others, you know. And in a very you know, it's a broad way, but it's about affecting positive, positively affecting other people. That's that's real spirituality. That's what spirituality is about. And for that reason, that's one of the reasons that spirituality and politics are inseparable. You know, there's this idea that I'm spiritual, so I'm above politics. Well, that, again, is, you know, wonderful if you're in your beach house in Malibu, and you know, you're you're above all that. But there are people who are really suffering, for every person that says, Well, you know, I'm spiritual, not political. There's a 10 year old child in Texas probably here, ready to give birth to her stepfather's baby. You know, there's, there's a lot of, you know, major problems out there affecting people, and just because it's not affecting you Does, does not mean everything in the world is just perfect. We should all be thinking about others.

Alex Ferrari 1:59:59
And where can people find out more about you? Pick up a copy of the All Souls Guidebook and find out more about what you do in the world, sir?

Ainslie MacLeod 2:00:05
Oh, well, you can go to soulworld.com and you can learn all about what I do there that will take you to our membership program, the soul world, and which is an amazing gathering place for all souls. And we have a very lively forum. It's really this community that we've created. You can find my book through you know, order it online. I really try these days to find alternatives to Amazon. You know, they don't need your dollars, so go to an independent bookstore and order it is what I would recommend Fair enough. And or you can just go to ainsliemacleod.com and you can learn all about what I do there.

Alex Ferrari 2:00:59
And do you or your spirit guides have any parting messages for the audience?

Ainslie MacLeod 2:01:03
Oh, well, I'd just like to maybe just leave a message that just remember, it's all about love. And you know, we're all here as old souls to learn compassion and extend that to other people, it's, you know, being a loving presence in the world. From the time I was little, it was like always going, what is so hard about kindness? What is the effing problem there? Why is it so hard for people? And I think that's the important thing, you know, if you want to be, if you want to show people that you're a spiritually oriented. Old Soul. Old Soul. It starts with kindness. Just be compassionate and kind to other people. If you want to change yourself, point out,

Alex Ferrari 2:01:50
If you want to change the world, you need to start with changing yourself. That's right. Ainslie, it's been such a pleasure meeting you and talking to you today. I'm looking forward to our next conversation, I appreciate you and everything you're doing to help awaken the planet, my friend. So thank you.

Ainslie MacLeod 2:02:04
Well, back at you, and thank you so much. Really. Really appreciate it. Appreciate the conversation. Great questions.