Jesus Christ’s Hidden Teachings with Aaron Abke

Alex Ferrari 0:00
Original Sin is a Paul thing, if I'm not mistaken, right? Where did that come from? Because it's not Jesus.

Aaron Abke 0:05
Yeah, more or less, it traces back to Paul. The thing about Paul is, is that Paul's teachings also got massively distorted and warped. Jesus is abundantly clear, if you sin, repent and God forgives you. He tells multiple parables about it, when he's asked directly teacher rabbi, what must I do to inherit eternal life? Why didn't Jesus say, well, easy, you must confess me as your personal Lord and Savior. Believe I was died and rose again for your sins, and you'll be saved. Why didn't Jesus say what Paul said, if they had the same theology? And the thing is, truth doesn't need private, subjective visions and experiences. And the thing I love about this, which I know you love Alex, is near death experiences. NDEs flatly debunk Paul line theology and completely validate and prove Jesus's gospel message that we are judged according to our works, not just our Faith alone.

Alex Ferrari 1:21
Now before we jump into this episode, if this conversation resonates with you, please like, subscribe and share this with whoever you feel that needs to hear it. Your support helps us keep bringing this information out into the world and helps us awaken this planet. Thank you. I'd like to welcome back to the show returning champion, Aaron Abke, how you doing Aaron?

Aaron Abke 1:45
Great to be back with you man, thanks for having me on.

Alex Ferrari 1:49
Thanks for coming back. Man, our last conversation made a little, a couple waves,

Aaron Abke 1:49
A little a little splash,

Alex Ferrari 1:49
A little splash. Man, that thing did break a million. It was almost a million.

Aaron Abke 1:54
I haven't checked in a while, but it might have.

Alex Ferrari 1:58
It's almost a million views on that. That's insane, man, it was. It was a explosive conversation. It's one of my favorite topics about the truth of Christianity, the true teachings of Jesus. How is Christianity broken down like created all that stuff and that's what we kind of went into before. But since then, well, you've written a book called The three beliefs of the ego. Yeah, we're gonna dive into this a little later in our conversation. But since then, you've also kind of expanded your your knowledge base in that subject of Paul being the original kind of architect of the Christianity that we know today. Yeah. So what have you been doing that's expanded this knowledge so much. And let's kind of dig into this a little bit, because I love talking about this. As a recovering Catholic,

Aaron Abke 2:48
I find it to be the most interesting subject to study by far. And I just don't know why everyone doesn't feel the same way. I'm like, how do you guys? Not all want to study this 24/7, like I do. But I think the reason it matters to me so much is because Yeshua has always played such a pivotal role in my life. Growing up as a pastor's kid in church, kind of similar to you, I was such a devout Christian man, and Jesus was my model. He was my idol. I wanted to be just like Jesus, but Christianity kept telling me I couldn't be like him, so all I could do was confess Him and worship Him. But once I got to be in my 20s, that view of Jesus, of always placing the Christ outside of myself, just wore off, and I just thought, this is not what Jesus taught. Jesus didn't teach as we talked about last time, Jesus absolutely never told anybody to confess Him as Lord and Savior or believe in His death and resurrection. These are like Greek, Gentile ideas that came long after Jesus. Jesus is, you know, soteriology was abundantly clear over and over again. He says, Repent and God forgives you. And he also preached baptism for the remission of sins, which is a singularly a scene philosophy that you do not find in any other Jewish sect in history. So that's a huge point. I think even the fact that Jesus came preaching a new way of interpreting the Torah is a huge thing that scholars look at is like, who was this guy? Because in his day, you don't just show up on the scene as a rabbi and say, like you've heard. It was said in that Old Testament, you know, Tanakh, eye for an eye. But I say to you a new commandment. He was reinterpreting the Torah for people, which no good Pharisee or Sadducee would have done. They were trying to follow the Orthodox approach. And he's out here saying, Go out into the wilderness, get baptized. He's, you know, opposing the temple cult vehemently and cleansing the temple and condemning animal sacrifice over and over again, which is also an exclusively a scene philosophy that you do not find in any other Jewish sect. So Alex, I could lay out at least a dozen parallels from the. See, and I say the Essenes. But let's from now on, call it the Essen type Judaism, because scholars now are kind of coming to a consensus that the Essenes weren't just one sect of, you know, mystical Jews in the trans Jordan. It was a type of Judaism that emerged from an original group that split off from orthodoxy, so like the Lutheran or the Baptist of Yeah, it's no different, right? It's just like Christian denominations. By the time we get to the first century CE Jesus's day, the Essenes had already bifurcated about 100 years prior into two different sects

Alex Ferrari 5:33
Before or after Jesus.

Aaron Abke 5:35
They bifurcated before Jesus, and the O scenes became the sect, the name of the sect to the south, and the Nazarenes, the sect to the north. And Jesus, as we know, emerged from the Nasara region as a Nazarene. That's why he was called Jesus the Nazarene. And the craziest thing is man, when you study the our earliest sources, hegesippus, Eusebius, Josephus, philoplenny, they're all talking about this original form of Christianity called Nazarene Christianity. It was a type of Jewish Christianity which we see also reflected in the book of Acts. By the way, Paul is actually accused in the book of Acts, which I don't think is historical, by the way, but he's accused in the book of Acts, of being the ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes, the followers of the way. Paul is accused in Acts 24 I believe, and he admits, yes, I am basically part of this sect. So we have very early sources in the first century, showing that there was a sect called the Nazarenes, whom the followers of Jesus were part of. And Jesus was famously called Jesus the Nazarene. In fact, most of the references in the New Testament which are translated as Jesus of Nazareth. It's not of Nazareth in the Greek, it's Jesus the nazarios, the Nazarene. So it's a sectarian designation. And the Catholic Church, which you grew up in, who do they say? Alex was Jesus's appointed successor of his church, wasn't it Peter? They say, Peter, right. And the funny thing is, there's absolutely not one trace of historical evidence, real historical evidence that Peter ever went to Rome and started a church at Rome, or that Jesus appointed Peter as his successor. Wasn't it James? It was James the Just we have numerous first century historians attesting to this in second century that Jesus appointed his brother James as his successor. And it's in the Gospel of Thomas as well, which is, I think, the earliest Gospel we have. And in the Gospel of Thomas, Jesus appoints James and says, basically, after I'm gone, you all should follow James the Just who's his brother? And he says, for whose sake Heaven and Earth came into being, which is a kind of Semitic phrase back then for this is an incredibly righteous person. It's like the whole universe came into being so that this righteous person could exist. It's kind of what he's implying. So Jesus, if these early first century, you know, attestations of Jesus are true, Jesus had enormous respect for his brother's spirituality, and I often say that there was a whole lot more enlightenment in Mary and Joseph's genes than just went to Jesus. Jesus had a very enlightened brother who ruled his church, the Nazarene church, which Jesus started. He ruled it for almost 30 years before he got assassinated. And then, who did James appoint? James appointed his other brother, Simeon, who is the half brother of Jesus. And then Simeon led the church, the Nazarene church of Jesus, until about 115 or 120 ad So, into the second century. And our earliest records, hegesippus, the Nazarene, who was a historian of the Nazarenes, Eusebius, as well, both record that Simeon, the brother of Jesus and James who led the Jesus Church, the Nazarene church, was 120 years old when he was kidnapped by Roman centurions, I believe, and he's tortured to death by Roman centurions. And it says all the Roman soldiers were marveling at how much torture this guy could endure at his ripe old age of 120 this guy was still leading the church at 120 which means his mental acuity must have been pretty good, he must have been pretty healthy, and he endured unimaginable torture before he died. And that's the brother of Jesus man. And this has all been wiped out and ignored by the Catholic Church because it's not their tradition, and they need to obfuscate it, to go, Oh, we've got the real tradition. Look over here, and when you look at the history, it's laughable. The Catholic Church isn't even the First Christian Church or the second they're at best the third tradition. The first tradition, was the Nazarenes, and then the Gnostics came along, and they were actually larger than the Orthodox or proto Orthodox Church for quite a while, and the only reason the proto Orthodox Church of Rome won out is because they had the might of the Roman Empire they could use to stomp out their opposition. And eventually, Gnosticism is put to rest by the Roman Catholic Church and outlawed. And so they're actually the third Christian tradition. So. Not the first, and there is no proof at all that Peter started their church. But in fact, there's an enormous amount of proof that it's impossible that Peter started the Catholic Church. And like, we're not taught any of this in church. We're not even taught this at universe Christian universities. It's such a little known thing that a lot of Christians will sort of laugh it off when they hear me talk about it.

Alex Ferrari 10:20
It's funny because, I mean, I went to Catholic school most of my life. I've never once heard of the brother. Yep, I never heard about James the brother.

Aaron Abke 10:29
Well, because they believe Mary was a perpetual virgin, so Jesus can't have brothers, right?

Alex Ferrari 10:33
So they don't, they don't acknowledge it at all. No, that he had, they had had siblings. No, they can't. And then they also cannot acknowledge Mary Magdalene, no, in what her true her, he couldn't, they couldn't get away. They couldn't remove her completely, of course, from the story, because she was too integral to the story, yeah? But then they just made her a whore.

Aaron Abke 10:54
You have to make her a whore or something. Yeah? Jesus would never be with a whore.

Alex Ferrari 10:58
Exactly. And on top of that, women, of course, could not have any sort of power, hence, no female priests or anything like that. I wanted to go back real quick with the baptism thing. When you say that Jesus was a proponent of baptism, the way we were raised, baptism was to take away Original Sin. Original Sin is a Paul thing, if I'm mistaken, right? Where did that come from? Because it's not a Jesus thing.

Aaron Abke 11:23
Yeah, more or less it traces back to Paul. The thing about Paul is, is that Paul's teachings also got massively distorted and warped.

Alex Ferrari 11:32
That's called karma,

Aaron Abke 11:33
Yeah, for sure, is it's like, how do you like it, Paul? You distort Jesus. They distort you. How do you like it? But, yeah, Paul never uses that term. It's not in the Bible. But Paul uses phrases like, there's no one righteous, not even one quoting from the Old Testament. All have gone astray, et cetera. So later, Catholic theologians used Paul's writings to justify theologies they were inventing. And this is something that scholars study very closely. Right? Is they study the evolving theology that got stuffed into the New Testament over time and eventually the theologies that get stuffed into the mouth of Jesus, which he absolutely never said, and in my opinion, would have angrily rebuked if somebody was like, hey, Jesus, you're coming to die for the sins of the world, right? So that God can forgive us, I think Jesus would have ripped his garments in half at such a statement Nowhere does Jesus say that. Jesus is abundantly clear, if you sin, repent and God forgives you. He tells multiple parables about it when he's asked directly teacher rabbi, what must I do to inherit eternal life? Why didn't Jesus say, well, easy, you must confess me as your personal Lord and Savior, believe I was died and rose again for your sins, and you will be saved. Why didn't Jesus say what Paul said if they had the same theology? Jesus says, If you want to enter eternal life, keep the commandments. And he appeals to the 10 Commandments. And in Matthew's version, he lists out the five love your neighbor commandments, which is, don't kill, don't steal, Don't lie, don't fornicate, etc. And then he says, and love your neighbor as yourself. He says, that's the way to eternal life. And it's like, Have you ever heard a pastor say that in a Christian church? Listen, congregation, this morning, I'm here to tell you the way to heaven is to keep the commandments and love your neighbor as yourself. If you tried to say that at a church today, a fundamentalist church, they would shout you off the stage as a heretic. No, you don't go to heaven by loving your neighbor. That's works. You have to confess and believe, like Paul said. And so I find that to be isn't that kind of an insult to the master, that we ignore his actual statements on salvation and we prefer Paul's?

Alex Ferrari 13:37
But you just said something very clear and very interesting. You said, the Master? Yeah, you and I both look at him as a master. Yeah, among many other masters who've walked the earth, you know, and we're just drawn to him. He's one of the ones that I was drawn to, obviously, as well. But they don't look at him as a master. They look at him as God. And that was the thing I never understood as a kid. I'm like, wait a minute, he's the son of God, but yet he's our God. So what happens, like, in the hierarchy, where's, does it? Does the father just get pushed out and he's like, it just never there's so many plot holes,

Aaron Abke 14:01
Yeah, no telling me. Dude, I'm now studying this at a university to get my Master's in this, and so I'm digging into, like, really high level scholarship on this. And it's so clear when you study, like, early Greek Hellenism, early Judaism, and then Christianity, which is like the love child of, you know, Greek Hellenism, paganism, had a baby with Judaism, you get this three headed, ugly monster of the trinity of the Catholic Church. It's like this weird blend of polytheism and monotheism. It's like there are three different gods, but they're one. It's like, no, that's obviously a contradiction. And you can go into the metaphysics of that idea and just destroy it easily. It's, it's, it's very fallacious theology. But the reason that they came up with the Trinity the Catholic. Catholic Church Fathers is because it's a conclusion. In search of an argument. They're trying to prove their premise by working it backwards. So they have all these verses about father. They have verses about Jesus being the Son and then the Holy Spirit. They're all God. We say Jesus is God. How do we work this problem out? We've got to make it so that Jesus is just as much God as the Father is, but also distinct. So let's just say that they are. They're all different persons, but the same person.

Alex Ferrari 15:27
Oh, so it's the Holy Trinity, the Trinity the Father Son and the Holy Ghost.

Aaron Abke 15:31
Because they needed to upgrade Jesus to be a God. Because look, if you're trying to preach this Jewish Nazarene message that Jesus Christ was the Messiah, the HaMashiach. Yeshua, the Nazarene was the HaMashiach the Scriptures foretold He came to put us back into right standing with God. And he did that by opposing and destroying the temple cult which had infiltrated Judaism. That was the cause of all the problems in Jesus' day, essentially. And he went in there with huevos of steel, and opposed it to their face. And said, Go and learn what this means. I desire mercy, not sacrifice. Hosea 6:6 and he says, If you even knew what that verse meant, you would not have condemned the innocent, speaking of the animals. And then he opens the cages of the animals and lets them all out. So this was Jesus' mission, right? And he came to oppose this temple cult, and this is all ignored, like the fact that Jesus was this brash. I mean, to me, it's so gangster to go into the belly of the beast and oppose it to its face when it's like, you know, you don't do that. And live in his day, he knew he was going to be martyred for this cause, and he still found it worth doing. And would you believe Alex, in our earliest gospel, Greek gospel, Mark, it says in Mark 1118, after Jesus cleanses the temple, it says, After Jesus did these things, the priests sought how they would put him to death, and then a few days later, he gets crucified, and we're told, Oh, it's because he was God and claimed to be God. It's like, that's not what the history shows us. So if you're trying to, if you're trying to preach this message to a Gentile, Hellenistic Greek world, okay, try to wrap your head around this. Let's go back to the first century. We're in a culture of Jews and Gentiles. And all the Gentiles are polytheists who naturally believe that lots of gods come down from heaven and incarnate among us and do miracles and signs and wonders, and they go back to heaven. Very Greek like, yeah, yeah, you got Apollos, Perseus, many, many we could name, right? Dionysus, they all have similar themes to Jesus. They're gods in human form. And then they go back to heaven afterwards. So if you have this Jewish message of, hey, we have this normal man born of a man, as Paul says even born after the flesh, Paul never says Jesus was God, and it's very clear that Paul didn't think Jesus was God. So that's another thing that got twisted from him. But if we're trying to preach this message to Greek Gentiles and say, Hey, you should ditch all your powerful Greek demigods and come worship our crucified Messiah, it's like not a very appealing message, right? So over time, the Gentiles are trying to solve this problem. So it didn't happen out of malevolence, right? These Greek Christian Gentiles are trying to appeal to their home people about this new kind of Jewish religion they've got gotten a part of, and it's not convincing enough, right? They have to slowly upgrade Jesus to match the demigods of Hellenism, point for point. So Jesus needs to be born of a virgin like they were. And so this virgin story enters in the early second century. That's not in Mark or John that Paul never mentions, that nobody ever mentions, except for these two little accounts in Matthew and Luke, which are irreconcilably different and contradicting to each other. So it's like some you know, Greek scribes obviously began stuffing these things in the Bible, the virginity of Mary, the obfuscation of Mary Magdalene as a whore. All these things are products of evolving Gentile theology. And so that's how Jesus became God. You've probably heard that phrase is Jesus never said he was God. Jesus came to be the messenger of God. All of the Scriptures are clear that the messiah isn't God, but it's the messenger of God. The New Testament says this over and over. There's just so much evidence that nobody thought this in the beginning. They believe Jesus was anointed at His baptism, as it shows in the Gospel of Mark. And then later, they're like, No, He was God the whole time. So it's like, are we sure that Jesus would have signed off on that belief? Because I'm not.

Alex Ferrari 19:21
And also Jesus never wrote anything down. There's that he never wrote anything down, so everything is secondhand. Yeah, and I was talking to my friend the other day, and he pointed something out that was really interesting. He's like, you know, when Jesus was in the desert fighting the temptations of the devil, who was there to record all this information? Like, where did that story come from? Like, it was just him and the devil, apparently. Yeah, so who, who knows about this story? Like, how did that that story come out? Like, and all that.

Aaron Abke 19:51
That's what's interesting is that scholars study this and know that at the beginning of the Jesus movement, it was just oral tradition for quite a while. You. And there's something that's called, they call pericopes, which were like little oral, orally given messages or stories about Jesus, or teachings of Jesus that are passed down and recycled in synagogues and in Christian circles. For you know, a couple of decades before, we have the Greek gospels being written, and we know that the Greek gospels are definitely pulling from some earlier Semitic sources, likely Aramaic or Hebrew. And we have, for example, the Hebrew Gospel of Matthew, which is the oldest written record of Jesus, that 12 of our early church fathers, the who's who of church fathers, Origen Jerome, St Augustine, Eusebius, hegesippus, Epiphanius, all of them say that the disciple Matthew himself, the tax collector, wrote down the teachings of the Lord in the Hebrew dialect, for the sake of those who believed. And so many scholars who study this, date it as early as 33 ad to 50 ad.

Alex Ferrari 20:56
So it's like, right fresh,

Aaron Abke 20:57
Oh yes, yeah. And the cool thing is, this really checks out historically, that Matthew could have done this because Matthew was a tax collector, and so he would have been, if anyone in the group was literate, which we know Peter and John were not acts 4:13 I think says they were both agramatos, is the Greek word, which means unlettered. They could not read or write, but Matthew might have been able to, because he was a tax collector, sure. So he's got to write down tax records in Hebrew. So it says Matthew wrote the first account of Jesus, and the Church Fathers had it available to them in that day, because the Nazarenes and the other Jewish Christian groups was the only gospel they read. And there's only 48 surviving quotes from it, because the Roman Catholic Church eventually banned it, burned it, tried to get rid of it from history, but in even the 48 quotes we have that the church fathers are quoting in like, the second and third century, it is a wildly different picture of Jesus, who's opposing animal sacrifice, flesh consumption, opposing, you know, the priestly cult. And it shows Jesus was anointed at His baptism. And it says the Dove, in the earliest record, the dove goes into Jesus's heart. It doesn't come perch on his shoulder, and it says, This is My beloved Son. This day I have begotten thee. And our oldest copies of mark as well were first written this day I have begotten thee. So that's the idea of it's called adoptionism. It means that these early Christians, the very first 12 disciples and followers of Jesus, the whole Nazarene group, believed that he was the adopted, anointed Messiah. That's what HaMashiach means, by the way, is anointed one, which means you're anointed by someone else. So Jesus can't be God if he's anointed by God. But then what happens? Catholic theology evolves, and they say, Oh no, Jesus wasn't anointed the Messiah. He was God from the beginning. And so later, the later manuscripts we have of Mark and some of our gospels changed that they took out this day I have begotten thee, and they put in, this is my beloved Son in whom I'm well pleased. So none of this stuff is ever taught to us in church, right? No, everything we're hearing in church services was not believed by the very first Christians. And I just think, like, if we want to get as close to Jesus as possible, right? Which I do, and I assume most people would say they do, why would we not study the earliest Christian tradition? Which, again, all the historians agree the very first Christians were not called Christians. They were called Nazarenes, right? And there's another name called jessians, which is the father of David from the not sorry tradition. So it's kind of two ways of saying the same thing. They believe the Messiah was of the lineage of David. So they were the not sorry, the Nazarenes from Isaiah 11, tying Jesus back to Scripture. And all of that's been deleted, right? So I feel like if we love Jesus, we should want to know where he really came from. This a scene type of Judaism. What did they believe in practice? And I'm telling you, I mean, you've studied it, right? Alex, when you start to dig into the especially the comparisons of, like the Dead Sea scrolls with the book of Acts, you're like, Dude, there's just such point for point, over and over and over and over, perfect parallels to the Jesus movement, almost identical in every way, voluntary poverty, baptism, fasting, opposing the temple, opposing sacrifice. And again, the thing that makes it a dead ringer, and I can't emphasize this enough, is that all of these beliefs I've just mentioned, not a single one of them appears in any other Jewish sect in history. But the Essenes, there is no other Jewish sect who practiced baptism as a way of atonement for sins. They practiced baptism, but just as ritual purification. They did not believe you could baptize yourself to have God forgive your sins. But Jesus is preaching that in the New Testament, John the Baptist is preaching that in the New Testament, whose scholars, pretty much are in universal agreement. John the Baptist had to have been in a scene. He matches point for point, and he's like the mentor of Jesus, right? So all of these 12 different lines of evidence are unique to the Essenes, and we see all of them in Jesus. And then, what is Jesus doing in the New Testament? He's opposing the Pharisees and the Sadducees at almost every turn. So. You're gonna have a hard time arguing that Jesus was a Pharisee or a Sadducee. And we know there was basically only three, or maybe four, you could say, Jewish sects at that time, Pharisees, Sadducees, Essenes, and a kind of offshoot of the Essenes called the Zealots, who were more of like a war, like type of a scene. Hence the name zealot. Yeah. So, and many of his followers were zealots, right? Simon the Zealot. So it's like there's literally no other option. If we exclude Pharisee and Sadducee, then what other tradition could Jesus have come from? Like, that's a pretty obvious piece of evidence too, but there's just so much more that we can put together to show this case.

Alex Ferrari 25:34
So let me ask you, with the Bible, I had a conversation with another guest about this, and I would love to get you your thoughts about this, is that there's the New Testament, the Old Testament, to very, two different, very, two different books, and they see from day, night from day, and they seem to be jammed together into what we call, now the Bible. Yeah, they don't seem to match. They don't seem to like. It's literally two parts. It's Harry Potter had a lot more consistency, consistency, you know, than the Bible did. But the big thing was that Jesus was teaching. His teachings were completely opposite to Yahweh and the what he was saying, his argument was that Jesus did not, did not follow Yahweh, yeah, that was not his God, and he never, never once in the New Testament, did he mention Yahweh, by name. This is what the Gnostic said, right? And that there's just two different you have a God who's vengeful and murder and killing, and you have to pay homage to me, and he's obviously a very insecure God, a very angry god,

Aaron Abke 26:48
Petty, jealous, petty, jealous, genocidal.

Alex Ferrari 26:51
I mean, he's a complete, yeah, he's not the God that I hope is out there. And then we got Jesus, who's about peace and love and follow your name, you know, began ice kind and turn the other cheek and all this kind of they don't mix. Yeah, so that alone is such a red flag for me, yes, to think about, like, Well, wait a minute, if the Bible technically should be about it's supposed to be about the Jesus's if it's the Bible that all the Christians read it should be about Jesus's teachings, but the first half of it is the Torah. Yeah, that has truly not anything to do other than a couple of things that they threw in there as a he's coming kind of thing, kind of like there's someone coming, almost like a teaser for the sequel. So they don't mix. So from your understanding, do you agree with that, that analysis of that, that these are just two completely different worlds. You know, it's like Star Wars and Harry Potter coming together. Like, look, man, this doesn't make sense.

Aaron Abke 27:51
Yeah, you're on a really important thread here. Actually, this is something we can unpack to even see this issue in a bigger way. You can't just group two totally different traditions together and call it one cohesive message, right? The Old Testament that the Tanakh is a Jewish text, right? And the New Testament is definitely a Greek Hellenistic text. It was written in Greek. It has tons of Platonism all throughout it has a lot of Gnosticism in it too, by the way, and it's very, very anti semitic. The book of Acts, and most of the Gospels are except for Matthew, would be one exception, like the Jews are being blamed for Jesus's death all throughout the New Testament, because they're basically these Greek polemics against the Jews. They were trying to blame the Jews for crucifying Jesus, which, again, historians also know is not true at all. The Romans did it, of course, in the New Testament, like the gospel account, it's kind of funny. It's like, the the Jews are, like, telling the Romans what to do, like, Cruz, come on, you crucify him. And they're like, Okay, fine, Jews, we'll do it. It's like, first of all, no, no,

Alex Ferrari 29:00
I don't think they had that kind of power.

Aaron Abke 29:01
That's not how it works.

Alex Ferrari 29:01
Yeah, the Roman Yeah, the Rome Yeah. Roman didn't do that.

Aaron Abke 29:03
The Jewish the high priest and the priestly cult in Jerusalem were like just a little whipping servant boys of the Romans, like they did whatever the Romans said. They would not keep their positions, as in the Sanhedrin for a moment, if they opposed Rome. So they were literally just a tool of Rome. So even if you say the priest did it, that's because Rome told them to. But it's like nobody told Rome what to do. Rome absolutely delighted in crucifying people as often as they could. They couldn't get enough death and crucifixion. So you think, if they have this guy who's dangerous and, you know, causing a stir, Pontius Pilate was a very wicked man. He was not a, you know, peace loving philosopher like the New Testament portrays history shows he was a nasty human being, and he loved to kill and punish people, and so he probably sent Jesus to his crucifixion with glee and delight. But that's not what we see in the New Testament.

Alex Ferrari 29:56
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Aaron Abke 31:14
So in any case, back to your question, what do you get when you try to stick a Jewish Book with a Hellenistic book, you get a contradictory message. You cannot square them, right? They don't work together. Either one is true or the other is true. And so the Gnostics, again, were the first kind of Greek Christian tradition, or movement, rather, that really rose up to power. Because in those days, scholars know that Christianity man in the Greek world was the wild, wild west. Back then, there were so many like, way more than than we see now, way less unity than we see now, so many different viewpoints of Jesus. There's different communities, the Thomasine community, the Johannine, Matthew and Markan communities, and they all different ideas about Jesus. And that's what the four gospels actually are, by the way, is it's most likely different communities around the Mediterranean region in the Greek world, it's their sort of testimony of what they believe Jesus was. And so when you start with Mark, the oldest gospel, and you go Matthew, Luke, John, you get four completely different types of Jesus. So when people say, I believe in Jesus, I'll say which one? Because there's four very different Jesus's. I mean, the Jesus of Mark is uncomparable to the Jesus of John, who's just walking around claiming to be God. And In Mark, Jesus is like, don't tell anybody. Don't call me good. Only God is good, and then he doesn't. There's no resurrection account in Mark, like, it's a very different Jesus story. So this is part of the product, as I was saying, of the Greeks trying to sort of hijack this Jewish movement, the Nazarene movement, and make it into their own Hellenistic type of model. And so scholars study this. And eventually the Gnostics came along saying, Look, this Old Testament God cannot be the same God that Yeshua preached, as you said, and so they believed, famously, the Gnostics, that Yahweh was a Demiurge in disguise, a demon basically posing as, yeah, oh yeah. This was why the Gnostics were deemed heretical. Because, look, the Orthodox Catholic Church, the let's call the Orthodox Church the word Catholic didn't come around to like the fourth century the Orthodox Christian church, they had to keep the Jewish Scriptures. Why to ground that Jesus was the Messiah? Because all of the Messianic prophecies come from the Jewish Bible, right? So if they want to keep all that and say he was prophesied, the scriptures prove it. He really was the Messiah, they need those Jewish Scriptures, right? But then they're going to have their Hellenistic philosophies in the New Testament, which directly oppose the Old Testament. Again, just like the message of Jesus, the Old Testament is abundantly clear in numerous passages, repent and God forgives you. God doesn't need perfect behavior. As Christians say, well, Aaron, no one can be righteous for their whole life. Eventually you're going to sin, and then you're worthy of eternal hellfire. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. This has no there's no appearance of this message in the Jewish Bible. This idea is found nowhere in the Tanakh. This is exclusively a Christian Western message that is not in the Bible. The Bible is clear that if you repent, God forgives you, and that's the same message Jesus was teaching. But if you want to say Jesus was your blood atonement, you have to get rid of that repentance message and say no, no, we're all unrighteous. We're all evil and totally depraved. All we can do is confess Jesus, and that's where Paul becomes a convenient figure to craft that theology from.

Alex Ferrari 34:35
As a storyteller, I'm looking at this now with my storyteller eyes, yes, and story structure eyes and basically without the Old Testament, kind of like teeing up Christ's arrival. Yeah, it doesn't work. It doesn't work. You need the prequel. You need the prophecy. You got it that there's one that will reunite the force, you know, or else there's no Luke skywalk, or there's no Anakin skywalk. Yeah, to become Darth Vader, right? So you need, you need that, that kind of calling, almost a heralding. Yes, you need a heralding of this is coming without that. And we just start the story of one day they're in a desert, and, right? It doesn't make sense. It doesn't there's, and there's no larger kind of gravitas, yeah, there's no grounding to it. Yeah, there's, yeah. It's just like a dude that shows up and starts creating havoc. Well, you need to build that story up. And how do you build that story up? Or, let's go back, it was prophesizing, yes, show up for hundreds of years and look, and this entire Bible is talking about, you know, so really kind of establishing that you're saying it grounds it, meaning, like you've gone back to a source that everyone's like, Oh, if it's in there, then it must be real. So he they needed it for credibility. They did. They needed street cred. Exactly. They needed street cred. The Bible needed street

Aaron Abke 35:52
Yes. And so here's what they did, here's how they squared this circle to try to obfuscate the obvious fact that the Hebrew Bible totally opposes the normal Christian message of blood atonement and salvation. There's also, you can support it with it, but I could just pull out verses all day that just nuke Christian theology. Like if this verse is as inerrant and infallible as this verse is, we've got a big problem, because they contradict each other. But here's how they solved the problem is, they said, Well, yes, Jesus was a Jew who came from the Jewish tradition. That's all true, but the Jews rejected him brother, and so they get what's coming to him, and the message was transitioned to the Gentiles, and that's where Paul came in, right? Paul became obsessed with his own little private visions of Jesus, and Paul himself doesn't claim this in his letters, but the book of Acts documents this. So it might have been the going idea at the time that Jesus appeared to Paul privately in a private vision, and he said, Paul, you're my specially chosen apostle to the Gentiles. To you I will send to the nations to bring my message to the non Jewish world. And then Paul gets converted, and all that, and the whole book of Acts man, from a scholarship perspective, it's so wacky because Paul's letters totally contradict what's in the book of Acts so many different occasions. But there's even just some really weird stuff that if it, if it does, trace back to true legends or stories of Paul, I find to be very problematic. And the first one is, I can't remember if it's acts nine or 12, but Paul is speaking with private Jesus, and he's like, Oh, can I go to Jerusalem to meet with your 12 Disciples, your apostles? And Jesus is like, Paul, don't go to my apostles, man and tell them about this message, because they won't believe you about me, but keep it to yourself. It's like, okay, so if a demon was trying to deceive a man, hey, I'm Jesus, listen to my message and was trying to distort the teachings of Yeshua. Because look, you and I can agree on this, right, the negative polarity, if we want to call it that, the forces of darkness, the devil Lucifer, it wants to obfuscate truth at all cost. If a true message from God ever comes to humanity, through a person, through a book, whatever, you know for sure that the negative polarity is going to be trying to distort that thing as soon as possible, because they don't want truth to proliferate or they lose power. So if Jesus really did come to bring a true message from God. This is the way to eternal life. Love God with all your heart. Love your neighbor as yourself. Okay, that'd be like the last thing that the dark powers, spiritual powers, want humanity to know. They need to bring it back to a negative soteriology, which is no no. See, the problem is you can't do that. You can't be righteous. So you're evil, you're totally depraved, and you need to appease God's wrath with a blood meat sacrifice. It's like, oh, so God is like Satan in that Satan requires blood magic for you know, this is classic black magic. Is blood magic. So God's like Satan. God also needs blood like the devil does. That's very strange to me, right? So why would Jesus tell Paul, don't go to my disciples, the closest men to me, my own brothers, even some of them,

Alex Ferrari 39:07
Which they would have, he would have, if he appeared to Paul, he could easily appear to them

Aaron Abke 39:10
Exactly. Couldn't have appeared to them in private visions and told them

Alex Ferrari 39:14
This is dude, Paul coming Yeah, he's cool. He's with me. He's with me. He's cool. Listen to him. He's gonna be, he's He's on our team exactly a simple email.

Aaron Abke 39:24
There's so many ways you could pull problems out here, but it's like, Yeshua would definitely never tell somebody. Don't go tell my disciples. But it's like, that's what a demon would want to tell somebody.

Alex Ferrari 39:34
But let me ask you, Aaron, though, like with all of this there, is obvious, even as a first grader, when they were teaching me, I was already pulling out things going this, what? Yeah, there's just so many plot holes that even a first grader, five year old or six year old, can ask questions about and then, God forbid if you ask a question and they're like, We don't talk about those things, yeah. How can this Bible or. Story be so it prolificates so much throughout humanity, with so many inaccuracies and contradictions and plot holes that it doesn't make any sense if you are critical, if you just look with an intelligently critical eye at these stories. We've pointed out dozens already, and just this conversation that there's like, well, that doesn't make sense with this, and that doesn't make sense with that. It just, it seems like everyone just drank the Kool Aid. No pun intended. They literally just drank the Kool Aid throughout centuries, you know, throughout 1000s of years. You know, hundreds of 1000s, you know, I mean, 1000s of years, and it's still reverberating today. And there's still a power structure today with the Catholic Church, which I've discovered too, that that was Rome. Rome didn't fall it just turned into the Catholic Church, because that's where all the money went and the power went and so on, right? So it's maintained this thing. But yet, anyone with two cents in their head, who's even somewhat critical or not even critical, just curious, which look at it, would look at these stories and just go the new the Old Testament, God makes it has nothing to do with the New Testament. Jesus that one thing should debunk a lot of the stuff that they're trying to put out. So how did this happen? Is my question to you.

Aaron Abke 41:22
It's a good question, and largely because most people have not had the resources to really study this, it was only Albert Schweitzer the quest for the historical Jesus. I believe I'm getting that right. You know, just a few centuries ago, or less than a few centuries ago, that that book came out, and it was the first real like, yeah, you know, let's study the historical Jesus. And now that's all that New Testament scholarship really is. It's trying to parse out. They'll call it either the Jesus of history versus the Jesus of theology, or the one I like better is the pre Easter Jesus and the post Easter Jesus, who Jesus was before his death and resurrection, like the real man who lived and then the legends about Him after His death and resurrection, some of which are probably true, some of which may not be true. But how do we parse out the difference? And scholars are now doing this with textual criticism and all kinds of really cool methods. But this was not available to the average person, and it wasn't until the enlightenment that people started looking at the Bible with this critical eye and saying, why don't we study this from an academic perspective and not just a religious perspective? And the church fathers, for 1000s of years, have been trying to deal with these questions, and that's why they wrote these super long literary works like the penarian and stuff and against heresies. They're writing these enormous volumes of literature to address all of the problems and contradictions in their belief system. In the textual tradition, people had questions in those days even of like, hey, you know, but Mark and Matthew's birth accounts don't line up, and they're none of the resurrection accounts line up. And so the church fathers are like, well, here's a good explanation. It's like four different eyewitness accounts of the same event and, like, horrible arguments like that. So this is why the average person, until recent times, has just not. They haven't had access to anything, really, even some of these Church Fathers, like Jerome, for crying out loud, his works weren't even translated into English until, like, I think, like, 100 or something years ago, and Jerome is where we get most of the proofs we have of the Nazarene movement. The Hebrew Gospel of Matthew wasn't even available to English speakers until, like, a century ago. So now is the time that the lies are coming to the surface, and truth is coming to light, and the original way of Jesus is being, you know, finally seen by the world and understood that, hey, what Christianity teaches today is a far cry, and in my experience and belief on this is a very blasphemous cry. Apart from what Jesus actually taught, I think Jesus would be offended by today's Christian theology that he's God and it was his blood that God had to murder him to forgive people like like you said that cannot be different, more different than the God revealed in Jesus, who taught about humility, enemy, love, forgiveness. And Jesus said, man, don't you dare come confess Me as Lord, Lord. If you don't obey my commandments, why do you call me Lord Lord and not do what I say? And to the people who do come to him and say, Lord, Lord. We prophesied in your name. We did mighty miracles in your name. Are we permitted entry into your kingdom? Jesus says, I will look at those people and say to them, get away from me. You who practice evil, for I never knew you. For when I was hungry, you did not feed me when I was thirsty, you didn't give me a drink, and so on. And then he turns to his other followers who did that, and says, And when you did love the least of these, you did it unto me. So he's saying, You better see me and everybody. So there's Christ Consciousness done. And he's saying, and if you try to call me your Lord, but you don't obey my commandments, I don't care. It means nothing to me. And yet Christianity Today literally preaches the opposite. They say. You. Can't obey his commandments. It's impossible. You can only confess Him as Lord and go to heaven when you die. And it's like they took this amazing, real life message of Jesus that meets us in the human experience, right, that teaches us how to walk in righteousness as Jesus did, and they watered it all down to this boring, uninspiring message of your evil, and you can just confess Jesus. And again, I find that to be a travesty to the amazing salvation teachings of the man Yeshua, the Nazarene, who deserves to speak for himself and not constantly have Paul's words stuffed into his mouth.

Alex Ferrari 45:34
Now that you said that the term Lord to my understanding and please correct me wrong, I recently had a conversation about the King James Bible, which is the Bible that we basically in the West, is what we use, essentially, yeah. But no one ever questioned, like, Who the hell was King James? Yeah. And how did this Bible get built? Because the King James Bible is very different than older versions of the Bible, the Ethiopian Bible, and, oh yeah, and farther older back. And the term Lord, from my understanding, please correct me if I'm wrong, comes from the King James Bible, because I don't know. And please correct me. This is what I heard, that the term Lord was something that the king had put in to the King James Bible because it helped reinforce the monarchy. And he also said to remove anything that could be used against the monarchy in that version of the Bible. Am I? Is that correct?

Aaron Abke 46:29
Yeah, I think you're essentially correct. I don't study Greek. I only study Hebrew. And so I think the Greek word is Kyrios. Lord is Kyrios. And I'm not sure what the etymology of that is, okay, but it, but it is funny. You bring up King James as, like, you know, he's the gold standard for the English Bible. Yet it's like, do we know who this man was? Not that like, he himself put it together, but he had, you know, he commissioned it, yeah. But it's, we can do this. We can ask the same questions of people like Paul and Emperor Constantine. It's like, okay, let's go through our minds and think of all the people that we know of in history who have appealed to their own private visions to ground their arguments and beliefs. We've got Paul, the apostle on whose teachings.

Alex Ferrari 47:13
He wasn't a Paul, he wasn't an apostle,

Aaron Abke 47:14
Sorry, apostate is what I meant,

Alex Ferrari 47:17
Apostle, right? I just want to make clear

Aaron Abke 47:19
Actually, and I love Paul, like I think he was a well meaning guy. I think, I think he was an overt narcissist who was obsessed with his own teachings and his his writings are like a narcissistic handbook. It's like the perfect ancient world depiction of a narcissist. He never stops talking about himself. He boasts. He uses the word boast about himself, I think, 46 times in his seven letters, just like Jesus did, right? All the time, right? He talked about himself constantly, like that, bragging about his accomplishments, His Son of God, Paul's appealing to his private visions, non stop. Like guys, believe me, it's like, okay, so I just have to believe anybody who has a private vision. I don't believe in Muhammad's private visions, right? I don't believe in Joseph Smith's private visions. I don't believe

Alex Ferrari 48:06
Any of these private visions of maybe some of those I believe, yeah, exactly. But you know what I mean,

Aaron Abke 48:13
But it's like, I don't believe in those. I don't believe in Constantine's private vision. I don't believe in David koresh's Private visions. All of these men,

Alex Ferrari 48:20
Jim Jones,

Aaron Abke 48:22
Like all these men who appeal to their private visions, are amongst the most evil human beings who've ever lived. I wouldn't put Muhammad in that category, of course, but I think Muhammad had some problems, for sure, but like Constantine David Koresh, Jim Jones, like there's not good not good company to be in. And the thing is, truth doesn't need private, subjective visions and experiences to prove itself. Proof is epistemic. It's obvious. It can be proven through the laws of logic. And this is what when you when you run Paul's message of salvation through an epistemic process of logic, and you run Jesus's, it's like Paul's message falls apart at the seams immediately. You cannot justify it, this whole idea of blood atonement. I've done many episodes on this on my YouTube channel. It's like, it's laughably unjustifiable to say that God is omnipotent, which all Christians raise their hands and say, Amen, brother, God has all power. You say, Okay, then how do you give a god something who already has everything. What can blood do for God? Does blood give God permission to forgive?

Alex Ferrari 49:29
That's a materialistic thing. Yeah, it's a three dimensional

Aaron Abke 49:32
God needs some three dimensional juice to forgive people, which has to come by way of killing. That's strange. And forgiving is like, does forgiveness mean anything if you need an act of violence to do it. So like Paul's message just gets shredded by logic. Jesus's message is just it's just beautifully logically consistent. It's all the onus is on you, my friend, you have to love God with your heart and prove that by loving your neighbor as yourself, you've got a. Show that you want to be righteous with your life or nothing else really matters. And the thing I love about this, which I know you love, Alex, is near death experiences. NDEs flatly debunk Pauline theology and completely validate and prove Jesus's gospel message that we are judged according to our works, not just our faith alone five times. Alex in the New Testament, once in Matthew, once in John, three times in Book of Revelations, Jesus is quoted as saying, I will judge everyone according to their works, five times. And Christians ignore that and say, no, no, it's what Paul said. It's just faith alone, not by works. And what do people say? Alex, who die and have an afterlife experience. Do they come back saying, you know, I was shown that I just didn't confess Jesus. Not one, not one. What did they say Alex?

Alex Ferrari 50:42
There was nothing but love. Yep. On the other side, it's pure love. They're connected to the entire scope of the universe. Anything they ask is instantly there. So it's like they're there. They're basically, I always call it like plugged into the cloud. They have infinite information, as opposed to having to our hardware can't have it. There is no religion whatsoever. Yeah, Jesus does show up sometimes, but so does Muhammad some. So does Krishna, so does your fifth grade science teacher, sometimes grandpa, obviously your grandpa, grandma, your animals show up. But it's it's nothing to do with that. The understanding of my the understanding I have with life reviews, is that there is no judgment, because it's you. It's you. You looking at your own things. Yeah, and what I love, love about near death experience life review is that you feel what you were doing to the other person and how you were feeling as yourself, as yourself. So if I curse you right now, make you feel bad in the life review, we would be thrown right back into that scene, this scene right here, and I would feel how I made you feel. Yes. So anything I do upon you will come back to me. Hence. Now we're going into the Vedic texts,

Aaron Abke 52:04
Dude, we're going into what Jesus said, too, exactly. Luke, 6:37, Jesus teaches this law explicitly. He says, Judge and you will be judged. Yep, condemn, and you'll be condemned, forgive and you'll be forgiven. And then here it is. He says, For the measure you give will be the measure you get back. And he says the same thing in Matthew. And so we look at near death experiences these life reviews. And Alex, what if I said, Okay, Alex, what if you knew for sure as a fact when you die one day, you will have to watch back every moment of your life, but you will experience what happened from the lens of the other person that you did those things to so the people you hurt, you will experience every ounce of their pain. If you knew that that judgment day was coming, and it's not really a judgment, right, because it's just your own experience. But if you knew that was coming, and I said, What would be the best possible advice to give such a person to make sure that that life review is a wonderful experience, I think you would have to say something like Do unto others as you wish they would do unto you, because if you live by the golden rule, you won't have anything to worry about in your life. Review, No, exactly. That's the gospel of Jesus man,

Alex Ferrari 53:13
Exactly it. And that's, that's the the brilliance of it, the simplicity of it. And there's, I think now there's just so much more information coming out. Yeah, there's conversations like this, and there's books, and there's movies, and there's things that are starting to really bring out this kind of truth that, in all honesty, you know, the stuff that we're talking about here is not about control. So religion, in general, organized religion is about control, a middleman middle and it's usually a man, a middle man between you and a God, a higher power, where these ideas that we're talking about now and the true teachings of Yeshua are About the power being within yourself and self empowerment and self enlightenment and and all of that stuff putting the onus on you, the pressure on you, and not on an outside source. I don't see what's wrong with that,

Aaron Abke 54:13
Because there isn't anything wrong with it like that. It's just not controllable.

Alex Ferrari 54:16
You can't control, yeah, like if I'm an enlightened soul walking around the earth and I feel comfortable within my own skin, and I understand that I have a connection with a higher power, or I am part of that higher power, yeah, a spark of the divine walking around, learning and growing and experiencing things and trying to be kind to other people and do unto others as you would do unto yourself, yeah, and the kingdom of heaven is within you all of this stuff. Yeah, I do not see a thing wrong with it, nor do I see an argument for it, period. Anyone arguing against it. It seems to me that they're just still trying to hold on to old dogma, because if it shakes their reality, then their foundation gets scared, and that's when wars happen. That's when violence happens. So it's always been that way. Like, my God is much better than your God. I have to kill you now because you don't believe it only makes sense. It's Cortez, it's all of it, you know, it's all of that kind of stuff. So I don't see the problem with it and having a problem with self empowerment, because there's no controlling someone who's self empowered. Yeah, and that, I think where is where we're talking about here. So people listening and watching, I just hope that they understand that everything we've been talking about for nearly an hour now is about self empowerment. That is what Yeshua talked about. Oh, yeah. And that's what also all of these masters talked about. Not one of these masters either in the Vedic traditions, in the in the Eastern traditions, even in the Western traditions, these other masters who talk about self empowerment, about love, about it's just echoes different flavors of what Jesus talked about, yeah, and what Buddha talked about. It's all very different, but it's all about self empowerment, yeah, which is different. Now I want to ask you, man, because I don't think I've ever asked you this question about Jesus. Jesus is 12, yada yada yada. He rides in on a donkey. I like to know what you think happened in the yadda, yadda yadda, years, the 18 years like, because that's a big debate, and I was one of my biggest questions as a kid growing up. I'm like, What happened to him was I want to know about Jesus the teenager? Yeah, I want to know where was he? Was he? Where was he training? What was he? Was he? Was he in Egypt? Was he in India? Was he in Tibet? Was he was he? Were just like, where did he go? He had to have gone somewhere. Yeah, there's, there's historical proof of Egypt. There's a lot of anecdotal proof of India and of Tibet and these kind of things. I'd love to hear what you've discovered.

Aaron Abke 56:36
I think we did go into this.

Alex Ferrari 56:36
Did we? I have a lot of conversation.

Aaron Abke 56:36
Remember the Nicholas nodovich book, where Tibetan text, I think we did go into this.

Aaron Abke 56:38
Okay, so let's go into a little bit more, because I don't remember it. So Okay, a little bit.

Aaron Abke 56:46
So there was a text written by a guy named Nicholas note, which was a Russian explorer.

Alex Ferrari 56:53
Now, yeah, he said he found something in Tibet

Aaron Abke 56:56
Yeah. He found a text. The story is really cool. It's on the last podcast. So people go watch it. But he discovers a text, an ancient Tibetan text that was purportedly written by scribes who were documenting this man Issa, which is like the Aramaic name of Yeshua. And they describe his journeys out of Jerusalem around 13 years old. And he goes to like Samaria, which I think were the Zoroastrians. He goes to India with the Brahmins, and he then he goes to Tibet with the Tibetan lamas, and he went to one other, there's four. He was Egypt. Thank you. Yes, Egypt. And that's actually in the Bible, by the way. It does say that Mary, Joseph and Jesus fled to Egypt in one of the Gospels.

Alex Ferrari 57:39
Isn't there, isn't there a place you can go in Egypt to, like, visit where he, like, there's the house, probably there's a house there where, this is where Jesus

Aaron Abke 57:45
There are in India too.

Alex Ferrari 57:46
Oh, no, in in India, Jesus is renowned as a yogi, like a grand master yogi, yeah, in India. So he's very well known in India, which a lot of people don't understand. But yeah, yeah. And it was there before the Crusades, yeah, kind of thing,

Aaron Abke 58:02
Yeah. Well, there's a criterion in scholarship. I'm forgetting the name of it, but it's something like the criterion of similarity, which is like, when you see a consistent message, or even like personality trait strongly coming out of a certain figure in more than one source, then there's good reasons for believing that that's a very historically true side of that person's personality or their message, or whatever it is. And when you study Jesus, there's one thing that's very clear from all the synoptics, is that he had no issue pointing out hypocrisy and waving his finger in the face of hypocrites, especially the religious clergy of the day, because he couldn't stand the hypocrisy. He's like, You guys are up here pretending to be the most you know everybody, yeah, like religious, devout people, and you're like, the most wicked of all. And so he's just lambasting the Pharisees all through the Old the New Testament. And when you read the Nicholas Nodavic book text, it chronicles his visits to these four different places, and I think all three, except for Tibet. So three out of four he it's the same kind of story. He goes to the Zoroastrians, and he eventually gets kicked out. He gets pissed off at them because they're they're teaching people to worship the sun as a god. And he's like, Don't you know who makes the sun to fall and rise? It's the one true God. And you're teaching polytheism and stuff. And his followers are like, hey, they're coming to kill you, man you might want to bounce. And so he leaves Samaria, and then he goes to India, and he eventually starts confronting the Brahmins who were forcing the common people in the caste system to make idols and figurines, kind of like those. They were huge in those days, and it was like slave labor. And he's basically like, you guys are subjugating the very children of God in whose Ruach, the Spirit of God dwells in these people, and you're making them work slave Hours and Wages to make figurines that God is not present inside of sure the Ruach who God is not in, you're hypocrites. And they were like, We're gonna kill you. You can't say that. And he bounces and leaves. From India. And then same thing happened in Egypt. And eventually he settles in Tibet where they're actually somewhat tapped in, like he is and like, oh, there's like, a true master. And they let him live with them for like, six years. He studies the Tibetan arts, and then he eventually leaves and goes back to his homeland. So that's what the Nicholas nodovich book says. And there's actually some other historical evidence. There's a book called Jesus in India that's really good that I read that has a lot of proofs to back up the note of it story. But it's, you know, the text isn't available, so we can't prove that. It's the Nicholas, yeah, it's, he was allowed to copy it into English to transcribe it, but they all their manuscripts have to stay in the Tibetan monastery. They didn't let him take the manuscript, you know. So it's not available online anywhere. The book is, yeah, but the man, the Tibetan manuscript, oh, the Tibetan man, yes, which is what scholars would be interested in, is like, let's get that actual manuscript. But it's still in a monastery somewhere in Tibet that's, that's insane. We might be able to get it, though, I have some friends of mine who are. We're working on it. Oh, yeah, it would just be cool if we could.

Alex Ferrari 1:00:59
Well, I mean, there's a lot of, I mean, even the Dalai Lama said he's like, Yeah, Jesus was here, you know, like, he said it, yeah, he said it years ago, and then there was a hailstorm. He's like, Oh, okay, okay, Everyone, calm the hell down. Yeah, everyone, please, please, calm the hell down. I mean, we can go on and on and on about, we literally, could, I mean, literally and on about Yes. One last thing about Yeshua before we move into your into the three beliefs of the ego, the term Jesus, that's not his name. No, his name is Yeshua with a Y. If I'm mistaken, right, I've this is what I've heard and what I studied. I'd love to hear your thoughts on it that the term Jesus comes from the original Zeus, because Zeus, Jesus, Zeus kind of thing. Where does that name come from?

Aaron Abke 1:01:46
Yeah, I've heard that too, and then I've also heard it debunked. Okay, yeah, so where does it come so I'm not totally sure, but it's a, it's a Greek rendering of the the Hebrew Yeshua. Yeah, Jesus, Yeshua. It's the way that Greek works. When you translate it to Hebrew is kind of problematic. A similar problem would be like the spelling of the Nazarenes, the Church Fathers, over like four centuries who are writing about this Jewish Christian Nazarene sect out in the Transjordan, they have the exact same beliefs for 400 500 years, without almost any wiggle room at all. They're in this same exact region, in the Transjordan, in the Pella, kind of Pella region. And all these church fathers are writing about them, Irenaeus in the second century, Jerome, the fifth century, and they're all spelling it differently. Nazarios, like nazareans, different little English renderings of the Greek because they don't know how to exactly spell it from Hebrew to Greek, right? So everyone's taking their own shot at it, and there's different spellings over the centuries. This is what happens with any language over time. If we go back, for example, and read an English book from 200 years ago, like, don't you think Alex, we'd be able to tell this is written in the 1800s probably, oh, yeah, because of that, very obviously, right. So scholars can can follow Greek in the same way and watch the, I think it's called morphology, the study of how language is shaped and changes over time. And so Christians, famously, the only response I ever get from even like Wes Huff, is they'll try to say, Oh, those Nazarene, they're all different sects because, look, they're spelled differently. It's like, no, they're in the same exact region. Every time they have the same exact beliefs, every time they claim to be the original followers of Jesus, every time it's the same group, the Nazarene church of Jesus survived for five centuries before it was finally wiped out. And it's like, it's such a travesty to me that it's been lost, but it's partially because of the languaging of the Greek from Hebrew and Aramaic. They can do a lot of obfuscation, such like Nazareth. From Nazarene to Nazareth, the Catholic Christian Church tried to make it later, not the Nazarene as a sectarian designation, but Nazareth. So they essentially invented a town that didn't actually exist.

Alex Ferrari 1:03:58
What is the earliest original writings of Jesus. Is it in, is it in Arabic? Is it in Hebrew, or is it in Greek?

Aaron Abke 1:04:05
Oh, it's definitely not in Greek. Okay? It's either Hebrew or Aramaic, no doubt.

Alex Ferrari 1:04:11
Okay, so with that said, where Jesus was was born, was in the middle, you know, in the Middle East. Yes. He is not a white haired, blue eyed, blonde head guy, definitely not. No. So how did in people like, get upset about when you like, well, of course, I'm like, No, he, that's not historically accurate. He probably was, you know, a dark skinned, you know, kind of dude. Oh, yeah. Where did that turn? When did that come?

Aaron Abke 1:04:41
It was it in the Roman times when white church fathers took over the region, and that was the end of that. Yeah, funny enough. Jesus might have had blue eyes, but he definitely did not have white skin. He would have had dark Semitic skin. But there is, there is a kind of a lineage that in the Semitic tradition, even in ancient times. That's. Documented of having light eyes or blue eyes, even though they have dark skin, sure, sure, sure. And you still see some Jews like that today, so it's very possible, and many of the early written records of Jesus's appearance describe him as having like grayish blue eyes, like very bright blue eyes. And almost anyone who's ever channeled and seen Jesus or had a past life regression or an NDE, they all say he has these really bright blue eyes. So that makes me go home. Maybe he did have, you know, historically, had blue eyes. Well, he could have a dark skin. He was definitely dark skinned.

Alex Ferrari 1:05:30
Yeah, yeah. And even, and even when people, when he appears to people in near death experiences, he usually appears in the form that he is known for,

Aaron Abke 1:05:38
Yeah, they say it looks like a Jewish man, yeah? Usually the same with blue eyes,

Alex Ferrari 1:05:41
Yeah, generally speaking. And I did tell you my favorite nd, Jesus story, right?

Aaron Abke 1:05:48
I don't know

Alex Ferrari 1:05:49
That Jesus, I call him the hard, hardest working man in show business, because he's always in everybody's. Nd, yes, yes. But one, there was an atheist who died, and he went and Jesus showed up to him, but he showed up to him in a three piece suit, with his hair in a ponytail, nice. And he goes, GQ, Jesus. Basically, GQ sees us, and he turns to Jesus in his near death experience. He's like, are you he knew who of Jesus, but he didn't believe Yeah. He goes, Are you Jesus? He goes, Yeah. He goes, Why are you dressed that way? He goes, Oh, well, you wouldn't take me seriously if I was dressed any other

Aaron Abke 1:06:24
Smart!

Alex Ferrari 1:06:26
Isn't that a great story in a great like, if he would have come in the, you know, the robes and all that stuff, they were like, What is this? Yeah, but because he was dressed in a way that made sense to that soul, it was, it was pretty brilliant. I

Aaron Abke 1:06:39
love it. Jesus has so many good one liners in nde's.

Alex Ferrari 1:06:42
Oh no, he's a, he's a, he's hilarious,

Aaron Abke 1:06:44
He's sharp as a tack, man.

Alex Ferrari 1:06:45
I mean, he's, he's, he's got good, he's got a good writing

Aaron Abke 1:06:48
He's witty, he's funny,

Alex Ferrari 1:06:49
He is he's a good sense of humor about the whole thing. Yeah, the the Jesus, the Jesus thing is, it's an endless debate. Will continue to be an endless debate, yeah, but, but I'm always glad to hear your your point of view on all of that, men. Now let's talk about your book, The three beliefs of ego. Ego has gotten a bad rap. Everyone's like, we need to crush the ego. We need to get rid of the ego. And you know, and be enlightened when you're enlightened fully you there is no ego, right? But to my understanding, and I would love to hear your thoughts, to my understanding, the ego is not only needed, but it's part of the experience. Even the Masters, all masters, while they're incarnate, generally speaking, are deal with an ego at different levels. Oh yeah, ego, but the ego is there because without the ego, you wouldn't have the urge to, you know, maybe go out to do a mission, or to do work or to achieve things, because the ego drives all of that, but it also is there to protect you, yeah. So talk to me about the book. Talk to me about the sufferers guide to freedom, sir,

Aaron Abke 1:07:58
Yeah, the take I have on it. On this issue is that the ego needs to be integrated to transcend it, means to integrate it so that it no longer is the master, but it becomes the servant. Type of thing. You can't kill something that doesn't really exist. The ego doesn't exist, like, you know, an object or something in your mind,

Aaron Abke 1:07:59
It's like the war on drugs. But,

Aaron Abke 1:08:00
Yeah, totally. It's just an idea.

Alex Ferrari 1:08:25
Can't do anything about it, right?

Aaron Abke 1:08:26
The ego is, what I say in the book, is the ego is an activity, not an entity. It's a mental activity of believing I am a form of some kind. It's activity of identifying with form. I am this. I am that. I'm Aaron abki. I'm a white man, et cetera, et cetera. So we have to integrate that by pointing that I I am, which is what the book talks a lot about, and directing the I am back to its own source, which is you, the real you, the true self, as I call it. So you can never get rid of the I because I is what you are. You are the eternal subject, the I Am. Everyone knows themselves as the first person in the present tense, right? I am. If you ask me, Aaron, are you hungry? I would never say you are, or they are. You know? I would say I am, because I know myself as the first person subject in the present tense moment. And so that is also what God is, right? Famous story of Moses, the burning bush, I am, that I am God is the first person in the present tense. So that's what's real of us is the consciousness, the I. So you can't get rid of the I, but you can get rid of the me, which is all the associations you think The i is. And so integration to me, Alex doesn't mean like I turn into this spiritual frontal lobotomy patient who's dissociated from reality. And so I just happened to ego. I'm just pure consciousness. I used to sort of think that's what it. Was, was the yogi who goes up to the mountain to just meditate in a cave the rest of their life because they've transcended everything. And maybe that's some people's path, sure, but I think the vast majority of us, and I think the Creator, doesn't want that to be the only path of transcendence. The creator wants to go deeply into duality, to experience all the contrast light and dark, light and dark, good and evil, love and fear, so that it can return back to its oneness with that new understanding and then embody the oneness in the duality, right? That's the game that the Creator is playing. We're supposed to be in duality. So some of the Indian teachings, which I love and have studied for a decade now, I think they can be taken the wrong way, or we can misapply them, maybe in thinking that the whole world is just Maya, it's illusion. It's to be ignored, disregarded and all that. And that's not what the texts are really saying. They're just saying the world is supposed to be understood to be fundamentally not real, meaning which just means it won't last forever. It's a temporary thing. So don't get attached. But that doesn't mean what you're experiencing right now isn't real. You're not experiencing it, for sure, the Yeah, exactly like these things should be obvious, but the non duality teachings can become very toxic to an immature spiritual mind that hasn't fully seen the real philosophy being pointed at. It's that this human experience is absolutely as sacred as anything else. It's just as divine in every way. And in fact, to even say, I'm not the body I used to say that and believe that and try to integrate that, but now I'm like, you know, it just doesn't feel true to say that. Because what feels more true is, of course, I'm the body. I'm just not only the body. The body's just not the sum total of what I am. The body's just a part of what I am. I am experiencing this body, and I am animating this body, so it's part of what I am. It's just not the whole of what I am, which is where the problem lies. And that's what ego is, is it's the belief that I am just this body, this separate, isolated character down here in this earth realm, and it's up to me to make my way. It's from that belief or self perception that these three beliefs arise from. What are the three beliefs? So the three beliefs are connection. They're really it's really one belief, which is, I'm separate. But how does I'm separate really play out in the human experience? Right? I think we need to get a little more specific, because that can sometimes be ambiguous. How does my belief in separation appear in my life. It's kind of a subconscious belief. So when we when we dice it into these three segments, you start to see how it plays out in the human mind. And the first sort of conclusion the ego comes to after thinking it's a separate being is it says, Well, I am lacking, then I'm incomplete. There's something missing about me that I don't have, that I should have, type of thing. So every human being comes pre installed with that belief. And we all believe we're lacking in some way. We just don't know we believe it because it's subconscious. So as soon as I have a lack belief, that will very quickly become an attachment, whatever I think I'm lacking, fulfillment, purpose, love, whatever. I will then develop an attachment to that thing, and I will chase it in the world in various forms. So that's the second belief. Is the belief in outcome, happiness. I just call it attachment, but it's the belief that something out there can fulfill me in here. That's the second belief of ego, and once I have an attachment to an outcome that I think will fulfill my lack that creates the third belief, which is, I'm the doer. I'm in control. I make life happen. I'm the one who bends life to my will. So it's like, if you are controlling anything in your life, if any kind of controlling behavior patterns, that's because there's an attachment underneath it, right? You have an attachment to something that you're trying to control so you can get it and why do you have an attachment? Because you have a lack belief. So it's really they're all connected in that way. But I think the most helpful framework in the book, and for me personally, is understanding how those three beliefs connect to our three negative emotions and the emotional guidance system, as it's called, we have three negative emotions, sadness, anger and fear. And this was what I the conclusion I started to come to after my awakening experience where I was put into that state of oneness for two weeks, and then at two weeks, I was thrown out of it and like cast out of heaven, back into my dark night of the soul. And I couldn't stay in that state. And so I started asking myself, What is here right now that wasn't there in that two weeks of inner freedom I experienced? And I said, Well, it's definitely these three emotions, sadness, I'm really sad, I'm really angry, and I have a lot of fears. You. And I couldn't find anything else I suffered from. So I realized, yeah, you know what? The human being essentially only suffers from one of these three feelings, and there's many variations of each one of them, but the root emotion is the same. It's some form of sadness, some form of anger or some form of fear. And so when you know that your emotions signal those beliefs. Sadness signals the belief in lack, anger signals an attachment, and fear signals control. Once you get that, then you know how you can now use your emotions to essentially do the most efficient kind of shadow work that there is, which is it takes all the guesswork out. You can just say, What do I feel right now? And you say, I feel a lot of sadness in my body. Okay, great. We know for sure then that you have a lack belief. Somewhere you believe you're lacking something. And now you ask the emotion what it is, and then you're bringing the emotion in closer, right? You're bringing in the sadness saying, Thank you sadness for coming to show me that I have a lack belief, because that's what they are. They're messengers. Emotions are. They're here to reflect your mind to you. They're reflecting the quality of your thinking, right? So when you ask the emotion sadness, show me what I believe I'm lacking.

Alex Ferrari 1:16:14
This is something I've I've been noticing lately that there's a lot of nostalgia for the past. You know, people are looking back at the 80s and the night, apparently, 90s was peak humanity. That's what I keep hearing.

Aaron Abke 1:16:34
I agree.

Alex Ferrari 1:16:35
You were born.

Aaron Abke 1:16:35
I'm a 90s kid.

Alex Ferrari 1:16:35
You're a 90s kid, right? Yeah, so it's peak humanity.

Aaron Abke 1:16:36
Fits my bias

Alex Ferrari 1:16:36
Exactly. But I've noticed that a lot, and it's not just like my generation in your generation, but generations before, they're like, Oh, the 50s were the best time, or all the 60s were the best time. It's always constant there. What is there when someone is stuck in nostalgia? Because there's people who build out, you know, you know, DeLoreans and, you know, and they'll build out bat caves, and they'll like, they really want to go back to when they were children. What is that nostalgia? What is that lack? What is the thing there that's causing the constant like, I don't want to be here right now. I want to go back to 1985 Yep, you know, or something like that,

Aaron Abke 1:17:14
Yeah. Well, it's a great question. When, whenever you so nostalgia, let's say, can either become something that produces positive emotions or negative emotions, obvious.

Alex Ferrari 1:17:25
Well, nostalgia, I've always connected with, with positive Yeah? Because if you're looking at the back like, I don't look at like my beatings when I was getting, you know, spanked when I was a kid, you know, in the 80s, as nostalgia, right? But I do look at going to see Back to the Future opening night, yeah, in the movie theater as

Aaron Abke 1:17:43
Yeah, and that it provokes good feelings, correct? And then you sort of slip into like, Oh, those were the good old days, and it becomes negative all of a sudden, because now you're believing in lack. You're like, it's not good anymore. It used to be good, but it's not right. That's the underlying belief, yeah. So it becomes sad all of a sudden. So you can see that's a perfect, yes, that's a perfect example of the emotional guidance system. If it feels bad, it's because it's not true. If it feels good, if it produces positive emotions, that's because it's true. But here's where we go wrong, is we think that our conceptual minds, projections and ideas about the emotion is what's true or false and nope, emotions are not concepts. We got to get this. Emotions are sensations. So they're inherently non conceptual. They do not carry conceptual information with them. So an emotion can't be true or false because it's not a concept. An emotion is a reflection, right? And it's either positive or negative, expansive or contracting, but those are the only two options that our state of being has. And so what emotions are reflecting is our self perception, the way we think and see ourselves is what our emotions are showing us, so that the moment I think about myself in a negative way, in a way that the Creator does not see me right, like I'm unworthy of love, I'm never I'm never good enough. If I think about myself that way, it feels negative, because my state of being is the truth. It is one with God, and so it has to tell me when I'm out of alignment with truth. It can't do otherwise, because it is the truth. And so we should actually love our negative emotions for this reason, and bring them in when they arise and say, Oh, anger, just like I said, with sadness, sadness. Show me what I believe I'm lacking right now. Or if I'm angry, bring that anger in closer and say, anger. Show me what I'm attached to here. Or if it's fear, say, fear. Show me what I'm trying to control. Where am I not trusting God and Alex, good questions, get good answers, right? When you ask your emotions these pertinent questions, which is what I teach in the book, you get the answers you're looking for. The sadness will show you what the lack belief is. Maybe it's a trauma, right? My dad left at this age or something, but it'll, it'll express itself in your mind in some way, and you'll. At it. Oh, I believe I'm lacking connection, or something like that. And there's a way that I teach how to requalify those three beliefs once you identify the root belief that's causing it. But the biggest bang for your buck, by far, is just the first part of the equation. Use your emotional guidance system to point you to the belief, right? What do I feel right now? I got a lot of anger in my body. Okay, then what am I attached to? Like it takes all the guesswork out. I don't have to wonder why I'm angry anymore. I know for sure it's an attachment, because it is impossible to be angry about something if you don't have an attachment or an expectation of something that needs to be there first before anger. And it can be very simple, right? If somebody you know spits on me or whatever, and I get angry, and you would say, Aaron, aren't I justified in being angry about that? And I would say, Yeah, on a human level, of course. But why does it provoke anger in me, rather than Wow, this person's like, compassion, right? Like this person's having a bad day? Well, it's because somewhere in my mind, I have an attachment or an expectation. Nobody should disrespect me. No one ever talks to me a certain way. And we, our egos, have these kind of postures like this, where we expect other people should know how great I am and never treat me bad. And we don't even know we have these expectations until somebody insults us or whatever, and we get all bent out of shape. So even that the way others should treat me, even that's an attachment. It's like I don't need to have attachments to the ways other people treat me. I don't control any of that. I can just control my own state of being and my own response to people. And what I say in the book is the way that other people treat me reveals their karma, but the way I respond to how they treat me reveals my karma, right?

Alex Ferrari 1:21:46
And when you were talking about all of the different things, the thing that popped into my head was Yoda, and I was like, fear. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering. Oh, it's so good. It's like, it's not amazing. That's that's from Phantom Menace, talking about Anakin. Yeah, and Anakin could have used this, Darth Vader, sure. Darth Vader could have used this.

Aaron Abke 1:22:08
Anakin would have benefited greatly. He would have kept that other arm, for sure.

Alex Ferrari 1:22:12
He would have definitely kept it. But it's, it's so true that I the one thing I've been continuously coming to grips with, and it's the alt I think it's one of the ultimate truths of the human experience, is that we're all here to transcend fear. Fear is the number one thing that we need to transcend in this existence, because it all kind of goes back to that if you're either fearful or you're not fearful, you either trust in the universe. You don't trust in the universe, and that we're in here, this is a scary place. It can be a very scary environment. Being down here depending on your, oh, no question, depending on your community, depending on the country you live in, your financial circumstances, your physical circumstances, there's, you know, the heat, the cold, like it's a this is not a third density is tough, man. It's not an easy run here. It really isn't. And if you and again, as I started studying more of the the Yogis and the other walking masters and ascended masters and things, the one common thread of all of them is they transcend fear completely. Not one of them was a fearful Ascended Master. It goes, you can't you can't be, imagine, a master, yeah, you can't be a master yogi and be fearful, yeah? About anything, yeah, you know, I mean, if a tiger is again, if a tiger is coming to get you,

Aaron Abke 1:23:30
Well, see, I differentiate those things.

Alex Ferrari 1:23:33
So, yeah, explain that. Yeah, there is a fear. There's a not good fear, yeah, which is like, there's a tiger in the room. I'm in the room. The door is closed. This is a problem.

Aaron Abke 1:23:40
Yeah, it's funny. I had a whole chapter in the book that I had to cut out of the book because it was too long. And my publishers were like, Dude, you got to chop something out. And it was called the origin of ego. It was going to be the second chapter. The following one is called, What is the ego, which gets more into the metaphysics of the ego. And I'm thought, Okay, I'll keep that one and chop out the origins one. But I really love the origins chapter. And what I did in that chapter was I talked about the evolutionary origin of ego of like, let's understand how and why this mental mechanism evolved itself. And I go back to the fight flight freeze a flight fight freeze response. So this is a primal, a primordial nervous system response that nature created and placed into basically every sentient creature

Alex Ferrari 1:24:26
Have you, as you've seen the frozen goats, which are, I'm sorry, hilarious. Yes, when you freeze goats and they just freeze, that goes, you know that fainting goats, the fainting goats, yes, they freeze. When they get scared, they literally freeze. And they just follow, and they can't unfreeze, and it takes them a minute to unfreeze. It is by far one of the funniest things I've seen in my life. But that's their defense mechanism, as opposed to a lion, he's gonna fight, generally speaking,

Aaron Abke 1:24:52
Not a great defense mechanism when confronted by a lion. But yeah, no. Yeah, here. Eat me. Let me just be your dinner, right? Yeah. Don't know how they survived as a species with that kind of right. It's crazy to think about,

Alex Ferrari 1:25:05
But it's if you have anyone, if you have not seen fainting goats, just type in fainting goats in YouTube and you're gonna enjoy it. Yeah. It's not mean. It's just, it's like, the way they are.

Aaron Abke 1:25:14
It's like cat videos. You just never stop.

Alex Ferrari 1:25:15
Oh no, oh god, yeah, no, no. And sometimes cats scare them the goats and he's even

Aaron Abke 1:25:21
You have cat goat videos just there for years. So, yeah, so I'm sorry the question was about?

Alex Ferrari 1:25:29
It's the responses. So a fight, flight freeze was I just

Aaron Abke 1:25:35
Yeah. So this is cool to me, because we can see where we get these existential human emotions from the emotion of sadness, is an existential version of the flight response in our animal brain. It's like, you know, we have, like the reptilian brain, the animal brain, and then the human brain all wrapped around each other, kind of like a jawbreaker. Have you heard that before? The reptilian brain is at the very center right? And so as the brain has grown, it's kind of modulated some of these things into more complex versions of it. So flight is sadness, because sadness is essentially the feeling of sadness is like this, need to escape from pain. So it's like flight, you're trying to run from pain. Anger is obviously fight that's easy, and fear is obviously freeze. And what's cool is those three feelings are qualitatively different from each other, and that's why the emotional guidance system is the most accurate tool we have for doing real trauma work. Is that your emotions never lie to you. They never can lie to you, because, again, they're not concepts. They're not coming to tell you anything. And so when people oftentimes say, you know you can't trust your emotions because your emotions will lead you astray, it's like, no, it's the opposite. Actually, by the time you feel a negative emotion, you've already gone astray in your mind, and the emotion is just the mirror reflecting that back to you, and you can see the utility of that right, if it felt good to think wrongly about myself, I would never know who I am. I would never reach Self Realization. I just live countless lifetimes in the universe in happy ignorance. It has to feel bad to think wrongly about myself. How else can my soul learn what I really am?

Alex Ferrari 1:27:19
You absolutely yeah, but, and so let me ask you, then, how, when? How about people who use their emotions as excuses to do things? So like, you know, cheat on my my spouse, or something like that, yeah, because I'm following my my emotion? Yes. So you and sometimes it use the term emotion, but it really isn't. It's something else. So like, that's lust, yeah, that's lust. Or that's or you're actually angry at the spouse, and you're using this as an excuse to do a breakup. Or there's some it gets complex, but there are people who use emotions like that, definitely, and they they rationalize it within their in their own mind. That's what I think some of that don't trust your emotions.

Aaron Abke 1:27:54
Yeah, the human race, systemically does not understand emotions at all. We have a completely wrong mainstream understanding of what they are, such that people will say, Oh, my emotions made me kill this guy or cheat on my wife. No, your emotions can't make you do anything. It's the ego that makes you do it. By hijacking the emotion, making a story out of it, and then convincing you of that story narrative, the emotion is not the problem or to be blamed, right? It's kind of like this analogy. Imagine a messenger riding in on a horse into a kingdom to tell the king of impending doom, right? So he rides in to the castle and jumps off the horse and falls on his knees in front of the king, my lord, the armies are approaching, prepare the troops, and the king is like, Oh, my God, right. This is bad news. The King is not happy to hear this, but does he drive a spear through the messenger? Sometimes, hopefully not, right? But sometimes they did. If it's a mentally sane King at all, sure he might actually promote this guy to a higher status, like you might have just saved my kingdom, correct? If you hadn't come to warn us, then we'd be doomed. So a friend who brings bad news is still a friend who's trying to help you, and that's what our emotions are doing. And so this is where the phrase comes from. Don't shoot the messenger, right? But that's what we do with our emotions. We shoot the messenger the emotion as if you're the problem, you're bad, you're here to torment me, leave me alone sadness or fear or whatever, and we demonize the emotion when that emotion is literally an aspect of you being reflected back at you trying to give you helpful information that you're ignoring and suppressing. And that's really what trauma is, is that it's a it's a misunderstanding of what emotions really mean. Because again, ego will use emotion to write its stories out of so if you were abandoned and you felt sad from that, ego will use that sadness as proof. So you really were abandoned and unlovable. And if you're angry at someone, it'll use the anger as proof they really did betray you. So the ego can only steal and hijack. It can't origin. Eight anything of its own. It borrows and it steals and manipulates and twists, but it doesn't know anything that is true. The ego doesn't know eternal truth. So that's why the ego can't be relied upon as a guide to lead us to truth. But does that mean the ego is like some bad thing, like some cosmic blunder? By no means the ego is an ingenious design by Source Intelligence and the Law of One gets into this quite a bit, but it is the driving evolutionary mechanism here in third density that we all incarnate here into this crazy world. As you said, it's confusing, it's intense, it's bewildering. We have no idea why we're here. Who am I? Where did I come from? So we have this thing called an ego that's born out of that ignorance, and it's trying to answer that question, Who am I? Yes, and it's going to keep trying until it's tried every available route, and they all fail. And then the ego gives itself up essentially, and it becomes integrated into the larger essence of what we are, which is the i itself, the I Am principle, the soul, and so the ego plays that role of leading us along the prodigal son journey all the way back to the Father's house, which we call enlightenment. And to me, enlightenment is not the end of the journey, but enlightenment is more like, All right, welcome to the universe like this is the starting line, not the finishing line. Now that you know who you actually are, now you can go explore and enjoy the universe in all of its endless mysteries, right? We will never be a interstellar civilization so long as we live in this war like egoic state we're in. Oh, absolutely. We've got to transcend it, right? And that's what the book is all about helping humanity do.

Aaron Abke 1:27:54
We won't make it next 100 years if we keep going the way we are. Yeah. It just the we just won't

Aaron Abke 1:31:32
Yeah. Ai especially.

Alex Ferrari 1:31:32
We have to transcend, yeah. We have to transcend. You were one thing you said that that caught my ear was the story that we that we tell people ourselves, excuse me, about things that we do it constantly, yeah, that we generally, generally, if you're somewhat sane mind, you are always the hero of your own journey. Yes, you're always the hero of your own story. And if you've wronged me, I must tell a story in my head of manipulating the truth, manipulating this if you're not complete, if you're not self aware and like, you know what, I screwed up? Yeah, that's why she got into an argument with me, or that's why he doesn't like me, or that's why I lost the job, or, but it takes a strong, evolved person, oh yeah, to say it's on me. Yeah, my bad usually is, like, you know what? That guy had it out for me. That's why I lost my job, as opposed to maybe you just didn't do your job right? Kind of thing? Yeah. So that's something that people need to understand too, is that we, we constantly are justifying our actions in our head. Because, yes, I always like using Thanos as the as a, as a great analogy. Is like, in his mind, he was trying to do something good, for sure. He I think he kind of knew that he wasn't the good guy, but in his mind, he had, listen, there's not enough resources in the universe, just like Paul, yeah, he's not enough. You resources the universe. I gotta snap half of everybody out of existence so we can use the resources more efficiently.

Aaron Abke 1:33:17
See, the belief and lack

Alex Ferrari 1:33:18
Exactly right?

Aaron Abke 1:33:20
Even Thanos falls for it.

Alex Ferrari 1:33:21
Even Thanos falls for it. But what I find fascinating is I heard the other day, which I thought was genius, that there was a geek at a comic con walked up to Josh Brolin is like, you know, if you had the power to snap half of the universe away, you also had the power to double all the resources.

Aaron Abke 1:33:39
That's a great point.

Alex Ferrari 1:33:39
He's like, son of a that just killed the whole movie. He's right, you know, that's kind

Aaron Abke 1:33:44
It's like you're, you know, Paul could have appeared to His disciples to to confirm any it's exactly the same thing. Like, ah, there it all goes. The whole logical fallacy,

Alex Ferrari 1:33:54
The whole thing just blows up. The whole house of cards comes crashing down. But, yeah, that whole concept of us having to tell our own story to make us even the bad guys, even, yeah, even, you know, serial killers in their own head, oh yeah, are created a narrative that justifies what they're doing? Yes. And obviously war is like, you're the you're my problem. My economy is bad because you're taking my job. Yep, that kind of thing. Yeah, to blame outside of yourself.

Aaron Abke 1:34:22
That's part of ego's function to protect you. Yes, it has to always place the bad outside of you, everyone else's it's everyone else's fault, not my fault, right? And what's cool is the last chapter in the book is titled Jesus and the three beliefs, and I go into the 40 days in the wilderness story when I saw this man, it blew my mind. In fact, I realized this about a year ago when I read the story studying some of my scholarship stuff, and I was like, Oh my God, Jesus literally goes through all three beliefs perfectly, and I'd never seen it until now. So I wrote a chapter on it, and, like, begged my publishers to let me put it in the book. And they're like, Okay. Define. And so the last chapter is just showing how Jesus faced these three, you know, negative core human beliefs we all come with. And if you remember the first one is, if you are the Son of God, the devil says, then command these stones to turn to bread and satisfy your hunger. So he's playing on Jesus' belief and lack, right? Oh, you're hungry out here in the desert. Prove It, prove that you're God by making these stones bread and assuage your lack, your hunger. And Jesus requalifies it and says, no man shall not live by bread alone, but by the word of God. The next one. He takes Jesus to the top of a mountain, shows him the entire city of Jerusalem, and says, If you worship me, all of this can be yours all the pleasures and wealth of this land I'll give to you. And that's, of course, the second belief, attachment, outcome, happiness, I can be fulfilled by things outside of me. And he tempts Jesus with, wouldn't you be fulfilled if I gave you this whole city? And Jesus rebukes him and requalifies that one as well. And then the third temptation, he takes Jesus to the top of the Temple Mount, and he says, If you are the Son of God, prove it by casting yourself down from this temple. And doesn't the scripture say that God will make his angels take charge to protect you, lest you dash your foot against a stone. Prove it. Prove that you're in control by jumping off this temple and not dying. So that's the belief, in control. I'm in control. I'm the doer. And Jesus says, No, you don't test God. That's what the Bible says. And he requalifies That belief too. So Jesus always knew the right philosophy to counteract the devil, which in in Hebrew, by the way, is Ha Satan, which means the adversary. And what I say in the book is that the devil is obviously, in my opinion, an ancient world personification of the human ego. It's the devil in your mind, right? It's whispering,

Alex Ferrari 1:36:50
Oh, there's always a devil in your mind.

Aaron Abke 1:36:51
Yeah. It's not outside of you. Give me a break, like Christianity teaches that the devil is like hopping around in the universe causing problems.

Alex Ferrari 1:36:59
Well, we live in Austin, so I just saw him walk across the street. It's like, Oh, it's too hot in here. I gotta get

Aaron Abke 1:39:29
Even the devil's getting out of Austin. It's hotter than hell. Was this seems like. I gotta go back to hell and get a little Wow, it's literally hotter than hell here we're like, three degrees cooler than this.

Alex Ferrari 1:37:16
I'm glad that we brought it back to Jesus and kind of wrap the whole conversation up.

Aaron Abke 1:37:22
I always do,

Alex Ferrari 1:37:22
Where, where can people find this book?

Aaron Abke 1:37:25
Yeah, it's on Amazon. It's pretty much anywhere books are sold. I'm doing a book tour right now. I have a few more events, Miami, Boulder, Austin, and if you want to go to my Instagram or website, you can find the dates for that. And you can also get it in a lot of bookstores, like, like, actual, real life. They still have those. They still exist man.

Alex Ferrari 1:37:44
Yeah. And where can people find out more about you?

Aaron Abke 1:37:47
Easy, aaronabke.calm, probably youtube.com/aaronabke, I'm on Instagram, some same handle everywhere. Easy to find.

Alex Ferrari 1:37:56
Aaron is always a pleasure having you here man, I like forward to our next conversation, and I look forward to our collaboration on the soul mastery Summit. Same looking forward that's coming as of this recording coming up soon. Yeah, if it's not there, people will find it, and we might be doing some other stuff in the future together. So let's see what we can do. Man, so listen, I appreciate you and fighting the good fight out there and spreading the good word, brother, I appreciate you.

Aaron Abke 1:39:49
Thank you thank you so much man. Always a pleasure to be with you.