He DIED THREE TIMES — And REMEMBERS HEAVEN in DETAIL with Robert Marshall

He DIED THREE TIMES — And REMEMBERS HEAVEN in DETAIL with Robert Marshall

There are moments when life quietly dismantles the map we thought we were following, not to confuse us, but to return us to something more honest. On today’s episode, we welcome Robert Marshall, and what unfolds is a conversation that gently peels back the layers of certainty to reveal a deeper intelligence at work beneath everyday experience. This is not a discussion about belief for belief’s sake, but about what happens when lived experience reshapes how we understand reality itself.

Robert Marshall is a seeker and experiencer whose personal journey through profound inner transformation challenged his assumptions about consciousness, identity, and the nature of meaning. In this profound conversation, he speaks with a grounded clarity that comes not from theory, but from having walked through uncertainty and come out the other side changed. There is no attempt to persuade—only an invitation to reflect.

Early in our discussion, Robert describes how his life was once oriented around external markers: achievement, structure, and the familiar rhythms of expectation. Yet beneath that surface order, there was a quiet dissonance—a sense that something essential was being overlooked. When a series of deeply personal experiences disrupted that routine, the disruption felt less like loss and more like revelation. “I realized I had been living on the surface of myself,” he shares, naming a recognition many feel but rarely articulate.

As the conversation deepens, Robert reflects on how inner awakening rarely arrives in dramatic flashes of enlightenment. More often, it emerges through discomfort, questions that refuse to go away, and moments when old explanations no longer satisfy. He speaks about the courage it takes to sit with not knowing, to allow identity to soften without immediately replacing it with another label. In that space of unknowing, something unexpected begins to unfold—a sense of presence that does not depend on answers.

One of the most resonant themes in our exchange is the idea that meaning is not imposed from outside, but discovered through direct experience. Robert explains that when he stopped trying to “figure life out” and instead began listening more deeply, life itself became instructive. Ordinary moments—silence, grief, beauty—took on new significance. “The moment I stopped trying to control the journey, it started teaching me,” he says, pointing to a shift from resistance to participation.

We also explore how suffering fits into this larger picture. Robert does not romanticize pain, but he reframes it as a catalyst rather than a punishment. Challenges, he suggests, often arrive to loosen our grip on identities that no longer serve us. When met with awareness instead of avoidance, difficulty can become clarifying. This perspective does not eliminate hardship, but it changes our relationship to it—from something happening to us, to something unfolding through us.

As our conversation widens, a collective dimension becomes apparent. Robert reflects on how many people today are experiencing similar inner reckonings, prompted by a world that no longer supports old assumptions. He sees this not as a crisis of meaning, but as an opportunity for maturation. When external structures falter, inner authority has a chance to emerge. This, he believes, is where genuine transformation begins—not in ideology, but in self-honesty.

What stands out most is Robert’s insistence on simplicity. Awakening, in his experience, is not about acquiring special knowledge or escaping the human condition. It is about being present enough to meet life as it is, without constant resistance. From that presence, compassion arises naturally—not as a moral obligation, but as recognition. The boundary between self and other becomes less rigid, and life feels less like a struggle to be managed and more like a conversation to be entered.

By the end of our time together, there is a quiet sense of return—not to old certainties, but to a deeper trust in the unfolding process of life itself. Robert’s journey reminds us that transformation does not demand perfection or constant clarity. It asks only for willingness: the willingness to listen, to feel, and to remain open when the familiar falls away.

SPIRITUAL TAKEAWAYS

  • True transformation often begins when certainty dissolves and presence takes its place.

  • Meaning is discovered through lived experience, not imposed belief.

  • Suffering can become a doorway to clarity when met with awareness rather than resistance.

In the end, this conversation leaves us with a gentle but powerful insight: life is not asking us to become someone else, but to inhabit ourselves more fully. When we stop trying to control the journey and start listening to it, something within us naturally aligns with a deeper intelligence already at work.

Please enjoy my conversation with Robert Marshall.

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Follow Along with the Transcript – Episode DE108

Alex Ferrari 0:00
Tell me what your life was like before you died.

Robert Marshall 0:08
On the 17th of May, I had a very large mass on my neck. It was swallowed like this. I had gone previously, gone to an outpatient emergency room stand alone, and the doctors said that came back at he did MRIs blood tests and all that stuff, and I was having trouble breathing, that's why I went there and swallowing. And the doctor came back in and told me, he said that there's about a 99% chance that this is a very aggressive form of cancer. And he said, I've sent your information out to two other doctors. They have all agreed that this is very aggressive, and you need to go see this cancer surgeon immediately. On Monday, He cleared his schedule so I could go in on Monday. He says, Do not put this off. It's very aggressive. And he said, You need to go see him now. I said, Okay, I never made it to Monday, Friday or on the 17th of may. I was having extreme difficulty swallowing and breathing. I couldn't swallow water. I couldn't swallow anything. We have little oxygen meters that measure your oxygen and my oxygen at that point was registered, registering about 88 to 89% and they say below 90 you need to get to an emergency room fast. So my wife said, Let's go. We went to the emergency room in downtown. Fort Worth she drove. I was feeling enough out of at that point. I didn't feel safe to drive. She drove. Went to the emergency room. She I said, drop me off in front parked the car. Come on in. She said, Okay. And I walked through the emergency room doors. And there's a line in emergency rooms, people checking in. The lady at the who was behind the window kind of went like this and looked at me and says, are you okay? Well, I had to struggle to get to get out, so I'm having a little trouble breathing. And she said to get in the back right now. And she pushed the button, the door open, and I went straight into the back. She didn't check me in at this point, just sent me right, straight back to the emergency room. The Doctor met me back there, sat down, start looking, examining me and taking his little preliminary test and everything else. And my wife got there about the same time that the doctor said we're going back here and we're going to intubate him, which is an oral tube down my throat. So they took me into the back room, and of course, they put me asleep to put this tube down and intubated me. They put the tube in and then so I could get oxygen, and took me immediately, They admitted me to the intensive care unit. That was the last thing I last time I was awake. And what happened was the doctor came in, looked at the charts, looked at all the machines, you know, because they had me, you know, they put you on the machines and everything. And of course, the oxygen going in, and tubes everywhere. And the doctor looked down and says, Well, he seemed to be his stats look real good. Let's see how he does without the tube and see if he could breathe without it. Well, she kind of messed up, because she should have had, should have done an x ray prior to that, which she didn't, or an MI or something. She took it out, asked my wife to leave the room, took it out, and, you know, started watching. And my wife came back in, and she was in there about 30-35, minutes. And I was breathing fine. Everything was looking great. And I'm getting oxygen stats into my, you know, they put it on figure and I said, everything was good, and she's all right. Looks like he's doing okay on this. And she left the room with my wife out there. And of course, my wife came back in well, they were gone about 4035, or 40 minutes, according to medical records. And that's the other nice thing about unique thing about this. Everything was recorded. So I can, when I say the time, I can look up the medical record, say how long it was during that 35 to 40 minutes that they were gone, that mass rolled over my airway and I suffocated to death. My heart stopped. I had no oxygen. My wife is the one that discovered me. Turning blue, deeper blue, deeper blue, deeper blue. I looked like somebody in the Blue Man Group, except I had no makeup. I was just no oxygen. She ran out of the room out there and hollered, he's blue. He's blue. And the doctor was at the nurse's station, and the doctor, of course, ran in and discovered me that she was right, and stopped breathing. My heart had stopped. They, course, hit the Code Blue Button. Everybody in the world came in. They chased my wife out of there. They were doing CPR. They took them 15 minutes CPR to get my heart going. And they they, in the process, they were trying to get oxygen into me, and they couldn't do that. Now, when I died, I'd actually died three times. So first time that I died, I was in heaven for 15 minutes. Basically is about what we tried to equate that time, 15 minutes, Earth time. We tried to equate this according to how long, no heart, no absence, no nothing, no stimulus, and everything according to medical records, and I left my body, and I remember hovering above my body and looking down and going, and I'm watching all the nurses and the doctors crawl under the tables. There were tubes. They were pushing. They ended up breaking my ribs, of course, doing CPR, trying to get my heart going. I drifted out to the hall, and I saw my wife just crying. She was just hysterical, as you can imagine, and literally, there were puddles of tear on the floor. She was bent over at that point. I knew something isn't normal, okay, yes, I'm not with my body. I'm going, like, looking down. It's surreal, but it wasn't like that. I'm going, Oh wow, I'm down like, no pain, no feeling, nothing. I'm just watching them. Now, this isn't for a long period of time. This was like maybe 20-30, seconds, how long it takes to look down and see what's going on. And I drifted out here, and then that fast, I was standing in heaven. I didn't see a tunnel. I didn't go through a tunnel of light. I didn't do it. I was just in heaven. I remember the feeling as soon as I was standing there. Now I could feel, I could smell, I could hear, I could do everything. And I'm standing at the edge of what I call, like the inner courtyard, if you would call it. It's like a huge maze, like there were trees and bushes. So I'm standing here, and I'm looking around, literally, like you were just what's it like? And I'm looking at, I'm looking at the trees and the flowers, and it just disrupt everything. And it's just like, there's this massive it's so beautiful, brilliant, and like, we have 43 oak trees in our backyard, and our oak trees, compared to the trees in heaven, are like little dying branches. The colors are so vibrant, right? And it's not like three dimensional, that's like gazillion dimensional. I mean, it's just, they're just there. And the flowers and the colors, there is absolutely no way you could describe all those. There's colors and trees and and the greens and different colors you they don't even have here that I am feeling the most peaceful, loving feeling. It's like a huge, giant hub. It's like you're connected to everything, and everything is just fills you with love and the peace, and I found out what that is. In Heaven, there's no no sun, there's no night, it's just day, but there's no sun in the sky. You know, we always say that Jesus is the light. Well, that's literal. He his light lights up all of heaven, and in his light is his love that carries out and comfort that just permeates everything and everybody, and everybody's connected by that, that love that just, you just feel the love. It's just like a giant hug. So now I'm looking at the trees and the vibrancy of them, but something unique about the trees and the plants in heaven, every tree, every flower, every plant, gives off what I call a little melodic tone or hum, and they all combine together at singing praises to Jesus all day long. Now it's in the background. It's like a not a white noise, but I mean, if you stop and you could hear it, but it's there. There's no dead silence, but it's there, and it's continuously. And it's the most beautiful song, melodic tone that you ever could think of. Well, the plants and everybody are, which is just, it was the, just the neatest thing I've most peaceful, loving feeling. You're looking at you going like, Wow. I mean, you just can't believe, and it's like, you don't feel any pain, you don't feel you just feel vibrant, love, warmth. It's just incredible. And the beauty of everything is unbelievable. Over at the outside, I was outside, but I was looking in the inner courtyard, and it's just rows of shrubbery. There's a river of pier calls a river of life, running through all the way back up to what would be like a throne, if you would have it. And along it were benches with trees and flowers on the edge of the river and stuff, if you ever seen a these huge mansions that have, like, all the shrubbery and stuff in designs and everything only the most elaborate, elegant, beautiful things and everything was absolutely perfect. And I remember looking over and I saw a figure that I recognized, and I looked and was in the distance, and he was just there tending the bushes and stuff like that, you know. And it was my dad. My dad had died in 1990 he died at 92 in 2011 but when I saw him, I recognized him as a dad of my youth. He was about 35, 36 years old, maybe perfect health, happy, and I remembered him from when I was growing up. And I'm looking and I'm going like, wow, because now the sensory overload is just I realized now I'm pretty sure I'm in heaven here. This is, you know, but I'm still not thinking about having been dad dying. And, you know, there was no pain that I was just eating when I was down there. And I remember walking over approaching my dad, and I walked up to him, and I said, Dad. Now my dad and I had this kind of little thing that we had when I was growing up. I was in the military and in some pretty precarious positions, and I remember I get shot or wounded or something. I spent three and a half years in Vietnam, alone, but I'd come home and he, he'd say, Well, you You really did it. Now, didn't you? Son, Yes, Dad, I didn't do anything, you know, and he was his little way of putting light on the situation, but it was kind of a little thing that we did. Well, every time I get in trouble, you did it now, didn't you? I walked up to him and. And I said, Dad. And he goes, Yeah. He says, Well, you did it now, didn't you, son? And it was kind of like his way to let me know, this is my dad, right? And I'm going, dad, I didn't do anything. I died. He goes, I know, I know. And I said, Wow. And I went like, Am I in heaven? He says, Where do you think you are? And I says, I think it's happening. He goes, yes. And we talked a little bit and about, you know, things in the past and and I remember looking over, seeing over in the far distance of light and a silhouette of man, which kind of, you know, has silhouette of Jesus. When I'm looking at him again, my guy says, who's that over there? And he said, Who do you think it is? Says, Jesus. And he goes, yes. Well, he says, first thing you do when you approach me, you start with your right knee on the ground, then your left knee on the ground. And if there's a conversation to be had, he'll start it. I said, Okay, so we're talking a little bit more. And of course, my being me, I'm I want to go and meet Jesus. So I started to walk it that fast, just as fast as I was there, that fast I was back in my body. Those cotton picking doctors got my heart going. I went from total absolute ecstasy, right back, all the pain, everything. And at this point, fortunately, I wasn't there that long. But then it was almost as fast as I was back. I died again. This time I didn't hover. I was right back in heaven again. This time I was standing outside of a field, big, huge pasture, and the trees, the familiar smells and the hug and the feeling of love was like, I'm home. It was absolutely incredible. While what happened down there, and the reason I died again was because of stress, pain. I suffocated the first time, the second time, during the time I was gone, they were trying to, took 15 minutes, get my heart going again. This time, they were trying to get a trach down me again so I could get oxygen again, but they couldn't get it down in there because that mass had rolled over. It was blocking it. So then they decided they had a trach me, and they're doing CPR again, because my heart stopped again, and what had happened was they couldn't, still couldn't get oxygen to me, so I continued being without oxygen. So I've already been without oxygen for 15 minutes. Took them another 20 minutes to get anything back down in there. And the reason for that when they inserted the tubes, they couldn't get oxygen in still, and my lungs were filled with with blood. And the trait tubes got filled with blood, and all it was doing was pumping blood oxygen in there, and they couldn't get any oxygen because my inside of my lungs had been coated with blood. They were coagulating. And when my heart stopped the second time, and they went, they they came up to my wife, he's gone, he's it's gone again. He's gone, he's gone. And they came out and to my wife and says, What do you want us to do? And we had a living will. My wife says, you do everything you can. And they went back in and said, his wife says, keep doing everything that we can. So they did. They continued and that fast, and I'm back in my body, and it was not pleasant. I went through surgery. The doctors had no idea that I could feel anything. Believe in the one that God has sent. That's God's works. All the works he has you do, he says, and that is through faith, and that not of your own. So he gives you the faith because you can't do anything. No works will get you into heaven. Makes no difference. You have to do that here through the faith that He gave you. But those works are done without believing in Him. It takes those works and then once you do that belief, then he says, everything else is not work. You can still go help the poor, help the needy, Do this, do that, do good things, but you're not doing it out of guilt or obligation or out of trying to get your way into heaven. There's no works that can get you into heaven. That isn't the way it works. You have to believe, and that's available to anybody, anywhere, anytime. That's the big difference, right there.

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