Isabeau Maxwell 0:00
This is a huge opportunity for inner growth that doesn't happen overnight, but wow, Are we flying down that hill. People in the next five years are gonna understand unity, connection and compassion on levels that many before them did not.

Alex Ferrari 0:15
Just because you're a psychic medium doesn't mean you're a good person. I'm such a good medium,

Isabeau Maxwell 0:19
So good at mediumship. And the guys go, Okay, you're gonna get a timeout.

Alex Ferrari 0:24
Well, you're a glorified telephone.

Isabeau Maxwell 0:25
You're a glorified. Yes! Thank you!

Alex Ferrari 0:43
Now, before we jump into this episode, if this conversation resonates with you, please like subscribe and share this with whoever you feel that needs to hear it. Your support helps us keep bringing this information out into the world and helps us awaken this planet. Thank you. I'd like to welcome to the show Isabeau Maxwell, how you doing Isabeau?

Isabeau Maxwell 1:06
Fantastic! Thank you for having me.

Alex Ferrari 1:07
Thank you so much for coming down here.Next Level Soul Studios, I appreciate it.

Isabeau Maxwell 1:12
I'm thrilled to be here. You're my peeps. Like we click on a lot of different levels, and you're doing really amazing work.

Alex Ferrari 1:21
Thank you so much. I appreciate that we're trying. We're hustling here. We're trying to get the message out to people and in a hopefully grounded way.

Isabeau Maxwell 1:29
So many are now,

Alex Ferrari 1:30
Yeah, and there's a lot more of that. We'll talk about what you see about that later, but you are a intuitive, a or as a psychic medium, and some of my great, some of my great friends, are psychic mediums. I've been around it most of my my life's being a Latino, it was just in our blood. So, you know, we'd go to someone's house, we'd have a reading. We have an limpieza. I don't know if you want pizza is, is where you would take a bath with this certain kind of whatever this guy put together to clean the evil stuff off of you, or a cleansing if you will, love that. So I did all that kind of stuff when I was a kid. So my grandma was a psychic. She was she was intuitive. There's no question, but she but that generation, I'm sure you can agree, was in the closet. You could not say

Isabeau Maxwell 2:17
Yes, I figured that out

Alex Ferrari 2:20
Exactly. So before we get into your journey as a psychic medium, what was your life like before this insanity has come into your life of being a psychic medium, because you are self proclaimed, a reluctant Yes, psychic medium. So and you've been doing it a few years now, about 20, about 20 years. So what was your life like before this crazy happened.

Isabeau Maxwell 2:42
First I want to say thank you for using the word crazy, because that applies perfectly. My life is completely different than what it was I was. I was complete skeptic. I wouldn't say that. I was looking to bust any you know knowledge out there and go, Oh, not real. I just didn't care. There was no spirituality, there was no religion. There was, you know, business, business, business. I have a math degree from college,

Alex Ferrari 3:13
Which leads itself to being a psychic medium, obviously.

Isabeau Maxwell 3:17
Totally they looked at me and went, Oh, yeah, you'd be a great medium if it didn't make sense, if it wasn't in front of me, if it wasn't tangible, if there wasn't a theory, I was not on board. I had no time for it. Also raised by my mom to believe that all psychics are frauds. This is all fraudulent. Well, you had a religious she was a Methodist. She's met. We are Methodist, right? So that's, that's the devil, yo, it was the devil work, obviously, absolutely. And here I am today.

Alex Ferrari 3:46
We'll get to we'll get to mom in a minute.

Isabeau Maxwell 3:49
Let's not but, um, yeah, it was, and it was in passing. It wasn't. We weren't overly religious. We just didn't have anything to do with it. My mom was a business woman. I was raised to be a businesswoman. This is what success looks like. Care about what people think of you. Compassion wasn't really dished out, you know, so that wasn't overly taught. Thank goodness I'm compassionate today. And that was it, that was it. It was simple. That was my circle. That was my whole life. It was all about the dollar. It was all about the levels and the achievement. What car you drove.

Alex Ferrari 4:25
Very three dimensional. Oh, brutally. Brutally three dimensional. Brutal you were, you were checking off the boxes that society was telling you to check off.

Isabeau Maxwell 4:32
Yes, if you gave me a trophy for any box, I would work hard,

Alex Ferrari 4:36
Really. Yeah, that's, that's, that's the the cheese in the in the in the rat. Essentially, they just kept dangling the cheese in front of you, and you just kept going and going. And so many people are stuck in that, yeah,

Isabeau Maxwell 4:48
I woke up every morning and said, call me Miss, Miss rat. I'm here. I am, and I'm going to be the fastest running rat. I'm going to get the race. Yeah, I'm gonna, yeah,

Alex Ferrari 4:56
You were good. It was all about conquering. And it was all about, you know. Physical or materialistic goals. I understand I was there as well. So then from, from that world, it doesn't sound because I've heard, I've spoken to so many psychic mediums on the show, and so many of them, like, you know, when I was young, I saw grandpa, Uncle Bob, show up, and you know, then my mom said, Oh, just ignore it. Like there were like, hints. It doesn't sound like you had any hints along the way, like you didn't have any inclinations. Or am I wrong?

Isabeau Maxwell 5:26
I had two okay, and did not put them together. That that's what happened, only in retrospect, only in retrospect. And I later discovered that my grandmother, my mom's mom, my grandmother, one of the best human beings on the planet, and my cousin and my aunt all believed, but my mom, I want to feel in a protective way, put her finger in the faces of all them and said not a word to my daughter. And I think my mom was protecting me from what she thought could was weird or wrong. And so I was very I had a very isolated childhood, so I was very isolated from that. And after, after my grandmother passed, and then all this opened up, my cousin was like, Well, yeah, we just weren't allowed to talk to you about it. They would, I know. So here I am, that kid in the family, all the cousins are hanging out in the living room. I This is the one. I went upstairs. I had to be about nine, and I went upstairs, and in the attic there was a single bed, and there was a woman sitting on the bed, rolling up, stockings, up or down, I don't even remember, but she was in older clothing, solid. And I went downstairs and said, Grandma, dude, who's the who's the lady upstairs? And she said, Oh, that's my mom. Go play. I was like, Cool. Come to find out that there was a portrait created my mom, my cousin Holly has it, which is really cool, a portrait of my great grandmother. And they would bring it out to get visitations, and she would come visit. And I'm like, and then I'm the kid who saw her, who, yeah, I saw her. But everyone went, No, no, don't make her mom mad. Like, No, you didn't see nothing. Don't worry about it.

Alex Ferrari 7:14
And, man, behind the counter, behind the don't just keep playing.

Isabeau Maxwell 7:17
Go play with your toys. So that was one. There was one that, in this one's even smaller, was I was home alone, and I heard what I thought was a young kid downstairs. I remember being like, 12 and, you know, latchkey kid, Gen X, right. Okay, so I'm home alone eating a cheese and bologna sandwich and

Alex Ferrari 7:37
Watching, watching like, you know, watching Sheera.

Isabeau Maxwell 7:41
Yeah, by the power of gray skull and the power and yeah, I heard a kid downstairs like yelling and saying something. So I panicked. And then my mom came home and I said, there's somebody in the basement. And she's like, No, no, that's nothing. And those are the two. Those are the only two other than that

Alex Ferrari 8:00
So, and you didn't even pay attention to them when you were growing up, only looking back and go, Oh, that. Guess that was I saw a ghost, yeah? Oh, I heard something

Isabeau Maxwell 8:10
Afterwards, I went, Yeah, that now that makes

Alex Ferrari 8:11
So, it's interesting. So it's obviously in your bloodline, yeah, it's in your bloodline. Like my grandmother and my my aunt's had it. My mom doesn't have it. They say I have some sort of intuitive abilities. And I sure, why not? Because that's what I need in my life. Really, you don't know I have. I have to do a show. I can't I don't have time. I don't have time for this. I don't have time for this, but, but it is in my it's in my family's bloodline, so in and we could talk about bloodlines and how that actually works in a minute. So when, at what point did it become? Hey, man, you're a psychic, yeah, or you're a medium. Deal with it. Deal with that. What point did that? Because it seemed like you had, you ran a nice runway of life before this happened.

Isabeau Maxwell 9:03
I did. I was set up. I was I had two kids at that point. They were probably about six or seven years old. Don't hold me to that for dates. I was 32 years old, and my grandmother passed away. She was in Minnesota. I was in New Hampshire, and I couldn't afford to go spend time with her. I knew I could afford to go to the funeral, so I kind of had to make that choice, and my aunt, bless her soul, made sure I was on the phone in the hospice room at the time of her passing. Yeah, it was brutal. My mom was or my grandma was my mom, my she was grandma, as many Gen Xers are Gen Xers. Yes, we love our grandmas. And she passed, and I remember coming out in the living room, and I said to my husband at the time and my two kids, I got to figure out what to do, because it's what you do. You figure out. You get a plan. Figure out what to do, right? Don't feel your emotions. Absolutely. God forbid. No. I mean, that would be horrible. So he took the two kids to the grocery store to get, you know, wine and chocolate. You. Was like, that's that's a good move. And I was alone. It was middle of the afternoon, standing in my living room, thinking, do I fall apart while they're gone so nobody sees me fall apart? Or do I get a plane ticket? And she showed up right in front of me, probably about six or seven feet away, and I would say she was about 70% solid. Oddly, she was standing sideways. She turned, she's a little cheeky too. She was a little funny lady. She turned, she looked at me, she winked, she smiled, and then she disappeared, lovely. So I was so scared that I flew back. I remember hitting the wall and holding like if I could touch the wall. Something was solid. I was really scared, as you would, yeah, yeah. And, and I said, if that was you don't ever do that again. And which is, you look back on the odd things you say in these moments. And then I went, Okay, that was my mind. That was hallucinations. And I'm good, we're gonna just put this one in the little box over here where the rest of my emotional heartache is. That's where the Gen X that's where the Gen X Box. Yes, all of that, all the stuff that happens. And we're gonna we're gonna do this. We're gonna move forward. So I didn't say a word to anybody next morning, my husband, at the time, said I had the most realistic dream about your grandmother. It was weird. And I said, that's where that's really weird. I said, it makes sense. She passed. You know, that's our subconscious does that. He goes, he goes, No, she was wearing these, like, dark blue pants, and they're the short ones, and she had this blue shirt and was, like, button down, but short sleeve, which is kind of and I'm just sitting there thinking, that's what she was wearing. That's what she was wearing the day before. And so now I'm panicking inside, right? Panicking inside. And I made the decision to, and I will be very honest about this, I made the decision 50% to figure out what the heck happened to me, but the other 50% was absolute grief. And if there was one moment in this that I didn't have to lose her, if there was even the slightest chance I didn't have to lose her, I was gonna find out if it was there, and that's what I did. So I still not talking about it at home, not talking about it to friends. I had previously owned a spa and Fitness Center achieve right. And I had hired a Tai Chi instructor to come in and do Tai Chi. This is the only person I knew that was remotely spiritual. So I went to his place of business. And now, mind you, I've already kind of told you that I wasn't the most, you know, compassion like and I walked right up to him, and I said to him, you're the weirdest guy I know. I need you to help me, this man you could. I look back now, and I know exactly what went through his head, because he just looked at me with so much compassion. He was like, you're going to be okay. And he loved me through it, and which was absolutely wonderful. And he showed me how to do yes and no intuition with a pendulum. And I was like, this is the conversations I'm gonna have with her. So I'm working on this now for probably about two or three months. I didn't see anything again, and in my head, this is what it looks like, right? So I had all these expectations doing yes or no questions. The best I could get, it was like a chill that would run through my body, and I'd say, is that you? And it would swing and it would say, yes. And I did this for two or three months, and then I started to say to myself, I'm raising two young boys. I need to check myself this. I'm reaching for something that's not real. Nothing has come to fruition. I haven't seen anything. Haven't heard anything. I remember being in my car one moment one morning, and I said to her grandma, I love you, but if you need to tell me, this is real, or I gotta let this go and I gotta go get some help here. And later that afternoon, it was just me. The kids were off doing their thing, and I got that chill pulled over. Do you remember 20 questions when we were a kid? No, back in the day, oh yeah, the Gen X, a yes, and no, that's what I would do. I would say, okay, is this you Yes? Is it about family? Yes? Is about work? No. And I it. So it took me 20 minutes to get this simple message. But this is what the message was. Your mother would reach out to you for help. So, so your mom is going to reach out to you for financial help, but you're not going to be the one to help her. Her friend will. And I went, That's detailed enough that when this doesn't come through, I can wash my hands. I can wash my hands of this. This is the reluctancy. This is what am I doing to myself. And couple hours later, my mom called and said, I'm in Vegas. That's that's exactly what you want to hear. Yeah, well, it was more like, Of course you are. And she said, I'm in Vegas, and I need you to put cash into my bank account, because I'm having trouble with my bank account. Now, this was 20 years ago, so. So I had to drive to my bank. I had to take the cash out. I had to drive back to her bank to deposit it. And I did so, and I pulled in to the parking lot, and I said to myself, nope, nope. It's still not true, because this is not too far out of the realm. My mom was a businesswoman. She dealt with money all the time, and sometimes I would assist. And the phone rang again, and she said it was my mom. And she said, Hey, dear, don't worry about it. My friend Lisa wired me money, and I went, I still get emotional today telling the story, because it was like, oh, there's so this is it.

Alex Ferrari 15:37
Wow. Okay, so when this happened, how did you process this psychologically? Because you are you're not looking for it. It's not like you were reading books about it. It's not like you had a feeling about it. You didn't take courses about it, none of that stuff. You're fighting this. Yes, you're fighting it, and now you have irrefutable proof, yes, that this is real for you, yeah. But your brain, and the programming in your brain must have been like, doesn't compute, yes. And I can't even imagine, like, if you don't believe in something, and all of a sudden there's proof of it, yes, you're just going, uh, you're you short circuit, short circuit. So how did you process this?

Isabeau Maxwell 16:21
I to be very direct and in how I felt in the moment, because you said it so perfectly, how I stepped into this. I went from knowing that when I locked the door at night in my house, nothing could come into it. I'm being very candid here about what I went through, please. Because when you believe nothing goes bump in the night, and when the only things that you've paid attention to are fantastic horror movies, this is now your reality. So I don't I didn't have a circle of people saying, Oh, my wonderful loved one on the other side is watching me and guiding me. None of that was in my life I had, you know, Freddy Krueger and, like all the, like, all the horror movies and right? So I'm now terrified. I'm now terrified

Alex Ferrari 17:13
You thinking Chucky is going to come to the door at any moment.

Isabeau Maxwell 17:15
Well, actually, let's, let's back up. So the first, the very first reaction, was, yes, now I have a direct line to her. This is real. So there was a little bit, there's a lot of joy, of course, because now I could talk to her. And my grandma was the grandma that she didn't wanna talk to anybody. She took the old rotary phone, like, off the hook, and you can get get to her. And I was like, I can get to you now anytime I want. So I reveled in that for a while, and then I was at a grocery store, and this one's in the book. I was I was in the grocery store, and I looked down the aisle, and there was three living people, and I turned to get something, and I looked down again, and now there was like six and half of them were transparent. And I was for real in that horror movie where, you know, you're running up the basement stairs and you can't run fast enough. I ran out of the grocery store, made a complete fool out of myself and got in the car, because again, still only this Tai Chi guy. This is only guy I'm talking to about this, right?

Alex Ferrari 18:11
The Tai Chi guys are usually known for psychic medium stuff.

Isabeau Maxwell 18:13
Yeah, yeah. And so he that he had this, he had this much information, and he was doing his best to help me, but I didn't have any medium friends or anything like this. Anything like this. And I ran out the car, and I sat in the car, and she showed up in my passenger seat. Oh, my grandma did. Grandma did. And I'm telling you, cheeky. She was. She was so awful.

Alex Ferrari 18:37
So now you're sitting there and you're like, Oh, son of a my

Isabeau Maxwell 18:39
I turned and looked at her, and I said, what was that? And she said, What did you expect? And I said, I expected to talk to you for the rest of my life, and that's it. That's all I signed up for. So now I know there's more, and now I'm at home, and I remember locking the door at night and going, this doesn't stop. So who can I see? Like, is there somebody in the room? So I went through a whole spiral.

Alex Ferrari 19:08
So you have, like, almost a break.

Isabeau Maxwell 19:09
I did. It was a break. It was a break.

Alex Ferrari 19:12
And you're raising kids.

Isabeau Maxwell 19:12
I was raising kids at the time, like,

Alex Ferrari 19:16
Do they know? They know the story,

Isabeau Maxwell 19:17
They know. Yeah, they know. And I found an incredible therapist, absolutely incredible therapist, a very kind man who didn't necessarily believe, but he was very, what we would say, earthy, crunchy, and he was, like, open to maybe the possibility. And I worked with him for two years, really, yeah, because I needed to let go of a lot of things and process.

Alex Ferrari 19:43
So it was, it sounded like that you're not only processing what's happening to you, but all the crap that you've been carrying from your childhood, that Gen X crap that we all carry, oh yeah, all that stuff that you'd put away, started to bubble up. Because now. Your world is thrown upside down. It's almost kind of like your foundation that you've built out of cement, but underneath the cement there's ethanol or whatever kind of and it cracked, and all of a sudden all this stuff starts to come up out of the out of the foundation, and you're like, oh, whoa. I don't want to I buried that dead body underneath this. Why do I have this smell coming through here? Now, I got to deal with this kind of thing. So it sounds like that's what happened to you, and you needed someone to just help you get rid of the smell. Spackle the foundation, build out something new, or tear off the old foundation and build a brand new one. Yeah, and that takes a minute.

Isabeau Maxwell 20:37
It takes a minute. It takes a minute. In addition to that therapist, the next thing that happened to me spiritually was the essence of everything I do today, and again, still no friends too shy to tell anybody what's going on with me, because I think that that defines as crazy, so very consumed with what people think of me, and I was leaving a friend's house, and they lived in like, three acres wooded. I'm very city born and bred city girl, and there was a almost like a heat, heat register type vibe out in the woods. And I was pulled and so I'm walking to my car, and I'm seeing this, you know, look, you see heat on a road,

Alex Ferrari 21:22
Yeah, the little baby things, yeah?

Isabeau Maxwell 21:24
But it kind of was in a form of, of a person, of course, of course. Well, whatever. Here's my impression, okay, that's cool. And then, like, going to my car, going, now, what is this?

Alex Ferrari 21:35
Is this two years? This is the after the two years, or

Isabeau Maxwell 21:37
This was about six months in, okay, okay, so, so a couple months in, Grandma gives me proof, and then she keeps giving proof, which is wonderful. A couple months after that, I got a therapist. A couple months after that, I see this weird thing in the woods, right? So city girl gets in her car, locks the door, goes home, and but I could not stop thinking of it, so I said, okay, and I called my friend. I said, can I go out and sit to figure out what this was. And they were like, yeah, absolutely. So I went out there, and that ended up being my first spirit guide. Now here's the irony. I don't know what a spirit guide is. I've never heard the word spirit guide before, so I'm like, Okay, it's really weird, but I'm here for it. And he would say to me nothing other than the words, come back next Thursday,

Alex Ferrari 22:23
And you see him,

Isabeau Maxwell 22:24
I just heat just

Alex Ferrari 22:26
Oh, so you see a heat signature or a distortion in the in the matrix, if you will, a distortion in the matrix.

Isabeau Maxwell 22:32
Yes, the field was vibrant. And I was like, That's it. That's it. And so, you know, I go home, he did this probably 12 times, come back next Monday, come back next Saturday.

Alex Ferrari 22:44
It sounds like Mr. Miyagi.

Isabeau Maxwell 22:47
And I remember getting just bent at one point. I was like, Listen, if I can hear four words come out of your mouth, that means you can talk to me. Okay, again, not really overly compassionate. I was like, very business, let's go. Let's go. And I had to kind of get past that. And then he started talking to me.

Alex Ferrari 23:04
What I find fascinating, among many things I find fascinating about you, Beau, is that the universe decided to use you in this fashion, and you signed up for this, obviously, on the other side, absolutely, the soul, in your soul, plan and all that stuff. And you decided to come into this family. You know, you picked your mom, you picked your grandma, you pick all that stuff. I get all of that. But what I find fascinating two things. One, if your mom wouldn't have blocked this, yeah, this would have been a much smoother transition, because this was going to happen in your life. You signed up for it. So regardless of like I was going to be in the film industry, like there's nothing how I got there is irrelevant, but that was going to happen in this life. Yeah, so similar thing. So if she wouldn't have blocked it, it would have been a smoother thing. But obviously it needed to be blocked because you needed to go through some stuff.

Isabeau Maxwell 23:04
It needed to be blocked, also, because I now teach others how to open their intuition in a very specific way, because I went through it the way I went through it,

Alex Ferrari 23:07
And that was the purpose of it, that was you needed you needed that pain, you needed that process to be able to help others.

Isabeau Maxwell 23:48
Alex, I am the poster child for if I can open up my intuition, anyone can. And he walked me through the stages of it, which were not the stages I would have thought. And he would give me tasks. I worked with him in those woods for two years.

Alex Ferrari 23:48
Okay, I'm sorry, you're still going back to the woods. I know, right? He couldn't make a house call.

Isabeau Maxwell 23:48
Can I skip forward to that day? Can I skip forward to that day? Because again, and you know, I'm I'm Taurus, I'm straight,

Alex Ferrari 24:12
Makes so much more sense.

Isabeau Maxwell 24:25
Yeah, yeah. I'm an only child. I'm a type A Taurus. Here we go. And it was about. It was, it was about a year or so in, and I would go back to the woods, just for the nostalgia of it. But I was driving out the driveway, and he showed up in front of my car, and I was like, What are you What do you can leave the woods? This is how much I didn't know. Wow, yeah. And he was like, Yeah, popped into my car, and I was like, you can go anywhere. And I've been driving all the way out.

Alex Ferrari 25:19
Do you know what gas prices are like?

Isabeau Maxwell 25:22
Do you realize how much wear and tears on my car down these dirt roads? But I worked with him for two I journaled it all, and it was very much about me and my healing I had, and he taught me so much. He taught me how past lives work, how the how went to school? Oh, I was schooled for two years, and I was fascinated, because that, like, scientist type thing was like, here's here's the in between, here's the 12 levels of the in between. Here's what happens when you come down. Here's the time boxes. This is how this I mean, he taught me so much. So when people say, oh, what book should I read? I'm like, I don't know, because, like, I learned everything from him, and he would teach me something, and then I would go out in the world, and the really cool synchronicities would be like, exclamation point. And it was so the synchronicities every time he would teach me something, I'd go out, and it would show up, and I'd come back, and I'd be like, This is so cool. That happened. He goes, Yeah,

Alex Ferrari 26:21
So, but so it seems like they leaned into your more scientific, logical standpoint, yeah, because that's how that a good teacher understands how to teach a student, yeah, on his or her level,

Isabeau Maxwell 26:32
And his or her level. And I'm so hungry for how things work that to be able to understand how this whole process unfolds from beginning to end, how the Earth was Socratic, all of this stuff I was devouring it meanwhile, this guide which over time, I got to finally see him, and, you know, I got more comfortable, and it wasn't just a heat signature, but meanwhile, this guide is teaching me how To be healthy and how to set boundaries and how to heal and all this. And he's giving me those assignments as well. Next thing you know, my intuition is opening more and more and more, and he helped me to understand it's there. Everyone is 100% intuitive. Their channel is cluttered. So when it comes to you know, are you born with it? Are you not born with it? Is are you gifted? Or you're not gifted? I see it in the in the realms of, is it uncovered or not? You know, some people have a calling to use it greatly in this world, but all of us, is it uncovered or not? And I left that training with that knowledge. So instead of learning a different way, that's how I learned. Two years in, he said, I need you to take all this, put it together and bring it out into the world, because there are so many different kinds of teachers, because there's so many different kinds of students, of course. And so all of my students are very like me, and not all of them. We all got all these different flavors, right? But a lot of my students, that's the path that works for them today. I can say that back then, I was just flying around, just not knowing what back

Alex Ferrari 28:10
So would you agree that? Because I agree with you, I think everyone does have the ability. It's just just like everyone has the ability to eventually get enlightened or self realized, like Jesus or Buddha. We all have the potential. For all of us, it's not the special that get, get the enlightenment or get these gifts. But with that said, what I always say is, like we can all play basketball, but we're not all Michael Jordan, yes, so that's it. So some do come in this lifetime, with maybe 1000s of lifetimes before, hundreds or whatever, many lifetimes before, as intuitive as spiritual people, as mystics, and they bring that into this lifetime. So you're just more tuned. You have a more skill, a higher skill set, so you can maybe be the Michael Jordan. And so there are levels of psychic ability. And from my experience, being able to speak to as many as I have over the years. There are, there's a level B, Level C, level, you know, some people are like, you know, I'm good 40% of the time. Sometimes I'm good 60 because it's, it's not easy sometimes, because you really have to open up your mind. You have to process what they're saying, interpret what they're saying, and come out. And then there's some I've met who are so on lightning speed, yeah, and so perfectly a lot. I'm like, How did you know that? Like, how did you know this? How did you know that there was one psychic who came on and he was giving me a reading on air, just for fun. I'm like, hey, you know, what do you let's see. And he said something about my grandma, and I'm like, only two people, three people on the planet know about it, and I just heard it three weeks earlier, like no one, no one, not family, no one knew this. My mom told me, and I told my wife, other than. That no one else on the planet knew this story. It was so specific. I was pretty brutal. It was specific. And what happened? I was just like, how did you and I called my mom up, like, right after, I'm like, do you know this just happened? She's like, What? Like, how did he know I'm like, psychic. It's pretty, it's pretty, mind blowing. Um, so Okay, so now the spirit guy, does he have a name, big dog, big dog.

Isabeau Maxwell 30:28
And I gave it to him. I figured, yeah, I gave him that name. Because when I said to him, What's your name, he said, which one. And I went, Oh, that makes sense. Because so many lifetimes he's like, which one? And I said, Can I just call you big dog? He goes, that works.

Alex Ferrari 30:44
Big Dog. Of course it does. Yeah, so big dog wants you to come out now of the closet because you've been quietly doing this, driving to the forest, talking to a heat signature. Yeah, thank you. That's how I felt, talking to a heat signature and learning about the cosmos and the meaning of life. So you're going through all, going through all of that, and you're like, cool, this is all like personal. And for me, similar to me, I was a closeted, spiritual guy until I had to be forced to do this podcast and come out of the closet, which was terrifying for me. And I'm just talking to weirdos like yourself, right? Not a weirdo myself. Oh, no, am, but it's weirdo. So when he said that, how did you come out? How did you deal with the repercussions of that? Because I'm assuming your family, some were like, Finally, and other, I'm sure your mom was like, Are you out of your mind? Yeah, so how did you how did that go?

Isabeau Maxwell 31:42
I didn't tell my mom. We're just, I just

Alex Ferrari 31:46
05 when you started doing this.

Isabeau Maxwell 31:46
So 05 is when I opened up. 07 when you came in. I started to tell the world I was a medium.

Alex Ferrari 31:54
So the internet's out and it's doing, it's doing its thing. So it's, yeah,

Isabeau Maxwell 31:57
It hadn't caught up yet. We didn't have, you know, social Ghost Whisperer, a medium yet? So I would have to say, Yeah, those were, those were very helpful to come out. I would say to people my first challenge was, and this one was actually from the Living therapist. My first challenge was, just tell someone you're a medium. I was like, no. So that was what I would practice. You know, somebody would say, what do you do? I would have to say, I'm a medium. And they'd say, what's that? And I would say, Oh, I communicate with the deceased.

Alex Ferrari 32:26
When that movie came out, what did you think? Wasn't that the best?

Isabeau Maxwell 32:31
There's so many movies that have so many things that are spot on. And I I would either run into people that would think that that's great, and that would help bring some calm to me. And I look back now, and I find it very comical that the ones that I would run into almost every time, if I ran into someone that said, Oh, I don't believe in any of that, but there was this one time that's that's

Alex Ferrari 32:53
Always, there's always

Isabeau Maxwell 32:55
One time. So we all have that one time. And that was, that was how I started now, before I started doing professional readings, every medium really has a particular flavor of calling. There are some evidential mediums that are on stage that that's their calling is to show people what's possible. There are mediums that do crossing over work. I do crossing over work, that's my core job, actually, in addition,

Alex Ferrari 33:21
When you mean crossing over work. You mean helping helping people cross over?

Isabeau Maxwell 33:25
Helping people cross over. Okay, I did professional readings for a number of years. It's been a while since I've done them. So now it's crossing over and teaching, but I did readings for about 10-12, years. But that was never the urgency. The urgency was to help people cross over. So now here I am with big dog, and we're a couple years in, and he said, This is what I need you to do, because he had taught me all about the in between levels, all about lives are all happening at the same time. Here's the higher self, here's how it comes down, like and I'm eating this up like candy. And he goes, now that you know all that you can help souls cross over. And I was like, no, that sounds scary. And I'm starting to go back to the whole programming, programming, and it's not, it's more assistance based. It's more the crossing over process is so automatic. It's just it's so automatic that when people talk about souls being stuck, it they it comes off as scary. And it's not necessarily that it's more encouragement in people's transitional process over

Alex Ferrari 34:31
So let me stop you for a second. Can I have such a unique perspective? Because I speak to a lot of near death experiences, mediums, yeah, all that stuff. So I have a unique Yeah, kind of worldview in regards to this stuff, I've spoken to a lot of mediums who talk about the stuck souls, ghosts, things like that. My understanding, and please correct me from your point of view, is there are ghosts or something like ghosts. These are souls who are either chose to stay. A locked into a specific space in a home. Generally, from what I understand, souls or go, they like to be where people are. So they're not going to just be out there by themselves in the middle of a forest.

Isabeau Maxwell 35:12
They're not hanging out. Yeah, they're not hanging out in the graveyard, right?

Alex Ferrari 35:16
They're not. That's not where you would find them. Hospitals is a good place because there's a lot of people all the time and all these kind of things, but they're not hanging out in these desolate places, as the horror movies would suggest, exactly. So that's another thing. And then sometimes there are people like yourselves who, like, have to come into a space, and there might be a haunting, quote, unquote, a haunting, or someone's just acting rambunctious or like they don't really know that movie, the others, oh, my God, that movie was okay. Use all the others, right? Nicole Kidman, oh, yes, okay, yep, yes. That spoiler alert, guys. She thought that there were ghosts in her house, yeah, but they were actually the ghosts, yeah? And the people who just moved in were just people, so they vision, but they didn't know that they were dead. So is that a thing as well, like that you die, and you just, like, especially in a traumatic accident, like a quick pop out, or something like that, that they just don't know they're dead, and they need someone to say, Hey, move along. Yeah, it's okay. Is that so everything I said, What do you think?

Isabeau Maxwell 36:16
Absolutely, yes, yes, yes, and yes, a couple and again, these are just my opinion. Um, I'm wired as a cheerleader. I want to see people succeed. That's that's food for my soul. It's always been that way, whether I was running a non spiritual business or spiritual business, and so this makes sense to me why I'm doing crossing over work. Because it's not the horror movie. I actually don't like the word ghost. I think ghost dehumanizes, of course, of course. Thank you, because it's just one of the words that just grates on me. These are people. And so I love to say ghosts are people too.

Alex Ferrari 36:54
My God, you have a T shirt. Oh, it's ghost people.

Isabeau Maxwell 36:57
Ghost people too. It's one of my favorite it's, actually, I'm hoping it's the title of my second book. So it should be, but this is, this is where my heart is, because with so much hoopla on, oh, it could be this. It could be demon. It could be all the scary stuff that's out there in the end of the day. It's on Edna, and she might be a little fearful through this transition process, because she might still be holding on to a little piece of the programming brain, right? And this is, like I said, it's an automatic people mover. Now, I haven't had a near death experience, but I'm so encouraged when I hear people talk about their beautiful experiences. Because I'm like, Yes, that's what I learned, right? You have to stop that automatic process in order to be what someone would say, stuck. I actually wish there was a better process. We could say lingering in the transition process, nice. That's a better way of saying it. And I also don't believe that mediums take somebody and move them over. What mediums do? What people who do good crossing over work? What they do is they say, I'm here with you. I'm being present in this moment. I know you are experiencing something that's causing some form of confusion. And when you do that, because we're all connected, someone showed up for you, and then that's where people start to move in that automatic movement again, that's my description of crossing over. So it's not even like a job. I don't have to bring anyone anywhere. I just have to stop and recognize no different than a six year old kid on a sidewalk and you don't see an adult around, and you go, Hey, what's going on? What you doing? Right? I'm a little scared. I don't know where. I don't know where. I don't know which way to go. Okay, well, we're just gonna relax. Oh, yep, now you see mom, awesome. That's literally,

Alex Ferrari 38:47
It, it's, it's so the movie Ghost, which I it's one of my favorite movies of all time. I love whoopee, I mean, and they got a lot, right? They did. They got a lot in that movie, yeah? And offer off air, I'll tell you the story of Bruce who wrote it, of how he came up with the whole thing, and what happened to him to get to that point. But Whoopi is actually, that whole thing is very accurate. Yeah? Me Like, is Bob? Is Bob here? Bob here. Bob's here. Now, okay, Bob likes to tell you, you there's a there's a drawer, there's a green handkerchief underneath that that's gold, like that kind of stuff in that in it's very similar. In that way, there are possessions like she did, like, like the that the Ghost will come in, that I've seen. I forgot what that's called. It's an actual term. I was watching something the other day about that, where you allow the Spirit to come through you and speak through you, not channeling. It's different than channeling. It's like a It's a possession. But I hate to use that word, because that sounds very

Isabeau Maxwell 39:50
It's more like an obsession. It's more of a well, no, it's a partnership, it's a partnership. It's a partnership. It's a way to channel.

Alex Ferrari 39:55
It's a way to channel. But it's a different channeling kind of thing. Channels just usually go off to. Side, and it's a different a different thing. Patrick Swayze, when he when he, and this is so accurate to what you just said, when he dies, he's killed. He's killed. He looks over and the light is coming. So he could walk over towards the light, yes, and go towards it. But something kept him here because he needed to protect Demi Moore, yes, you know, he needed to protect her and figure out how he died. And that's the whole process of it. A lot of times they will stay behind because they feel they have a job, yes, to do or finish something off. There was one I forgot who told me this story, but years ago I heard this story where this guy, he hadn't died yet, but he was in a coma, and there was a medium who talked to the wife. He said he just won't die. He just won't go. He supposed she should have gone already, and he wouldn't go. And he brought in a medium to talk, see if she could talk to him, and he goes, which is very possible. I need you to it was to a daughter. I need you to go to my office. There's an envelope with a stamp on it. It's this quarter's taxes. Can you mail that for me, please? And she's like, okay, and she went and there it was. She mailed it. He died the next day. He didn't want to leave until his taxes were paid.

Isabeau Maxwell 41:24
I know, I know, and there are ones like this. So one of my favorites in doing crossing over work, you also go into houses. And I don't like the word haunting either. That's just me, because it's a very human experience. And I am for me, I try to separate from those movies type thing. Movies are great, but I try to separate from that scary factor, right? I'm not a fan of bringing the whole fear based thing into the Oh, absolutely world of spirituality. I think you you lose and you miss out when you do. So this woman called but it's natural for someone to say, my house is haunted. I'm scared. Will you please come here? This is one of my all time favorites. I went to this woman's house and she was very scared because she heard footsteps on the stairs, and every now and then she'd wake up and come downstairs and the cabinets in the kitchen would be open. Oh, that whole thing. Yeah, seen that before, yeah. And so she's also seen this before on ghost shows. So now she's terrified, of course. And a spirit shows up promptly, little lady, and looks at me and says, she messed up my pie recipe. And I'm like, Oh, I how. Okay, so this is where we like. Can you help me know who you are? Her aunt. It was her aunt who was upset about the pies, upset about the pie recipe. So every time so she changed the pie recipe, and every time she made it, the aunt would leave the cabinets open and walk up and down the stairs. And so I said to the woman, I said, Do you have an aunt? She's about looks like, we're like this and whatever. She goes, yeah. And I said, you have a pie recipe. And she's like, you can't make this up. And I'm like, any chance you change the recipe? And she was like, oh no, oh no. And they said, so your aunt's here. She loves you might want to put the recipe back to the original, you know? And it was a great meeting. It was a great session.

Alex Ferrari 43:08
So what happened to that aunt? Is she on the other side? Or she, or she was she, quote, unquote, stuck?

Isabeau Maxwell 43:15
She was on the other side, and it wasn't that she knows. I mean, she kind of came across like, don't change my recipe, because their person, your personality, comes through. Personality, comes through from the other side. So she was crossed over, she wasn't stuck. But even people on the other side can come down and they can manipulate this world. They can remove something, they can open it. And there is a reason that pie recipe needed to stay the same for her niece. So I don't know what that is. A lot of mediums will agree with me that we don't really get a lot of follow up all the time. So I don't, I don't know what happened with it, but

Alex Ferrari 43:48
Well, you're a glorified telephone.

Isabeau Maxwell 43:49
You're a glorified Yes, thank you.

Alex Ferrari 43:51
You're a glorified telephone. You're not, you're not a sage, yeah, you're just a communication tool.

Isabeau Maxwell 43:57
I like to say I'm a tool. I'm an absolute tool. You're a communication or your janitor. You're going in and you're cleaning up. Nobody even sees you.

Alex Ferrari 44:06
But it sounds like that's what it is, and a lot of people don't understand that about mediums that that the information comes in, the signal comes in, you've tuned yourself to ability, the ability, or opened yourself up to be able to get that signal come in. When that signal comes in, you have to process it and translate it, because sometimes, is it images with you, or do you actually hear

Isabeau Maxwell 44:27
I see. So I started with being able to see. Eventually I started to hear

Alex Ferrari 44:33
So you can talk, there's a conversation. So it's not just like a picture of a rose, and you're like, there's a rose coming.

Isabeau Maxwell 44:39
That's how it started. Yeah, it was felt like charades.

Alex Ferrari 44:41
That's exactly what I understand it to be.

Isabeau Maxwell 44:42
Yeah, it felt like charades. And there were times where it was really frustrating, because I don't know what this is. I still get pictures and images. Yeah. You're like, I don't know what that means.

Alex Ferrari 44:51
There's a rubber boot, is there a rubber boot? And you're like, Oh my God, my mom, my grandmother, loved that rubber boot.

Isabeau Maxwell 44:56
Yeah! And you're like, Okay, um. Hmm, it started with images, and then it the images started to kind of move, and then I started to see, and I always see heat signature, still to this day, and this is one thing I teach my students, is to let go of the preconceived notion of how you think you're going to see, because the chances are really good you're already seeing. You just think it's going to look like this. So you're looking for it

Alex Ferrari 45:20
Because of movies and

Isabeau Maxwell 45:21
Because of movies, right? So the way that I describe it, it's fair that the easiest way to say you're seeing something as a medium is, I see this. I see this. She's wearing this. They're showing me this. But that comes across as I'm seeing it in living color, or I'm seeing it so strongly, and more of us need to be talking about this, because that's not the case. When I see first, if it's mediumship, I'll see a heat signature, and then something will kind of come into focus, and then pull back. You need to see that I have long hair. You need to see how tall I am. You need to see me do this gesture. And then it'll pull back. So it's not like having a full on conversation with a person. The psychic side of it is also it's almost even more interesting when I see something psychically. It's as if I'm seeing it sitting on a table in a dimly lit room. And so I use the example with three students of an apple. I think that's an apple, but then your intuition knows it's an apple. So the knowing fills in the color, the knowing fills in the experience, or what you know you should be looking at. So it's really knowing and seeing that's working together, same with all of the other senses.

Alex Ferrari 46:40
So going back to Whoopi and ghost, I always ask mediums this as well, and psychics as well, for that matter, and channel or sometimes the on and the open and close sign you open all the time that you know, I'm in the shower and someone pops in like, Dude, can you just wait? I'm sleeps four o'clock in the morning. You can wait two, three hours till I get up. Is there an on and off? Because I remember Whoopi is, like, Sam, oh, my God, they're coming out of the woodwork. All of a sudden. I can't go anywhere without these damn ghosts following me. What have you done? They're all coming to me now. So it really is, you know, it's a reference point of like, when do you turn it on? When you turn it off? Is what is yours? Do you? Are you on all the time? Or can you literally go, guys, I'm closed right now. Don't even bother.

Isabeau Maxwell 47:27
I have developed the most healthy sense of introverted lifestyle you could ever experience. I'm on all the time. Wow. Now that exhausting. It was, it was, um, but I have very good support from big dog. And then another guide came in. His name is Peter. He's been with me ever since, so I have really good support structure. Guides sometimes don't quite understand what you need and you and it's helpful to say, Hey, this is what I need in order to be able to keep going. And there was a time where I said, I can't I. I need to be able to go the store and just go to the store. So

Alex Ferrari 48:04
I have to walk up to someone. I'm sorry. Your aunt is here.

Isabeau Maxwell 48:07
I'm sorry, but your aunt is here. So when someone says, Do psychics turn it on and off? Do mediums turn it on and off? I say, No, they don't necessarily turn it on and off. It's a practiced ignoring. So if you have human on one side and spiritual on the other, this is a teeter totter. This is a it's about. So if you're having a very human experience, a wedding, a funeral, a graduation, your intuition is not going to be very on. And I have students come back to me years after taking the course and go, Oh, where did my intuition go? And my first question is, what's going on in your life? Well, we're moving your intuition is over here, just it's just quiet because it's so human. So if you focus really strongly on the material world and the solid and the human experiences, intuition kind of takes a bit of a back seat. But when we get quiet, it tips the other way. So that's a way to practice ignore,

Alex Ferrari 49:05
And is there are the spirit guides, kind of like the guys at the door, like letting people into the party, or not letting people into the party kind of thing. Are they, like, protected, like a bouncer, almost. I think we have to be our own bouncer. Okay, so, but you said that they help you. So they do so, because from what I understand a lot some other mediums I've spoken to, that they spoken to that they that their spirit guides kind of filter out like, Oh, hey, yeah, she's not on right now. She'll be back at three kind of thing. And that's that they do that kind of stuff,

Isabeau Maxwell 49:32
Especially if you're stepping into any sort of a calling as a medium, your guides know where you want to go. They've seen your entire life. They know your goals, and so they're going to not only challenge you to do inner work, to heal, to make sure you get to those goals, but they're going to make sure that nothing really comes into your life that derails you from that. So they don't give me anything you can't handle, because if you can't handle it, you won't do the job that you've said you're going to do, and you're. Here to do that, and you're here to do that job. So yes, I do feel shielded, shielded from a lot of things. And if I'm shielded from something, it's just not supposed to be there. So I teach a foundation. I teach anybody and everybody on the planet that will listen to this. I teach a foundational tool that is 80% of intuition. It's just, it's called GCP, and I learned it from big dog. It's ground, clear, protect. We all know what those three things are, but when done in order, it addresses your physical body, your programming body and your spiritual body. All over the globe, we have people talking about the three bodies in different ways. I say spiritual body programming body, physical body, physical body. You know what that is? Spiritual body. That's our soul programming body. Is our mind on linear time. It's who it's I'm Bo. I'm sitting here at this table. You know, it's Monday, so that's the programming body. And ground takes care of the spiritual body. Clear takes care of the programming body, and then protect, takes care of the physical body. I got those backwards. Grounding takes care of the physical body, and then spiritual body is taken care of by the clearing. And then you protect so these three practices, acknowledge your energetic body, clear it out so you're not carrying what you're not supposed to carry. You can do this for your house as well. You can do this for your car with sage. Do this for office with sage, I just, I'm very boring medium. I just kind of go like this, and then it's done. So I'll ground and then I'll clear all the energy out of my house. It's not supposed to be there. And I'll protect, not isolate, but put a bubble up that filters. And that's my boundaries. That's I use it for myself. I use it for my house.

Alex Ferrari 51:40
The one thing that a lot of people don't understand is that you you can be a medium without Well, no, if you can be a psychic without being a medium, but you can't be a medium without being a psychic.

Isabeau Maxwell 51:54
Yes, I have one of my favorite analogies is, if the person that you're reading is a lake, a body of water, a psychic runs off the dock, jumps into the water and swims around and explores to wherever they're drawn to. And a medium runs the end of the dock and goes, Okay, I gotta wait for a boat. And the boat comes up. And so whoever's in that boat, on a loved one, a guide, they go get in, and then they drive you over here, and they go jump down there and find that out. So that's the difference between psychic and medium.

Alex Ferrari 52:24
So since you're on all the time, I have to ask you, anyone here? Anyone hanging out? I've asked this before.

Isabeau Maxwell 52:31
Yes, absolutely no. My practice ignoring game is strong, very strong. No, I'm here with you.

Alex Ferrari 52:38
You're here with me. So there's not like anyone hanging out behind me.

Isabeau Maxwell 52:40
But if there was I would tell you, you can practice ignore all day long. If you have to say something, it will always come through. What do you mean if you if a guide or a loved one, if it's going to be important on your path that something said in this moment, it will there's no amount of ignoring I can do. It has to happen. It has to happen. And I believe strongly in asking permission too. So if it happened, I would say to someone, I'm a medium, this is what I do. I've got some information coming in. Are you open to it?

Alex Ferrari 53:12
That's something that's really interesting as well that people don't understand about mediums. Is the ethical, yeah, aspect of it, and also, I've said this before, but I think it's important to say it again, just because you're a psychic medium doesn't mean you're a good person, okay? I mean, just because you have this gift, or you've developed this gift, does not mean that you are on the spiritual path. You know, I know many, back in the day, psychics were shady, little shady. You know, there's stuff. They've dealing with their own problems, but they're able to do the job. They understand that. So a lot of people open themselves up when they because I told you that grandma is is in the room, and they, I could tell you some cool stuff. You must be all spiritual, all good, yeah, because of that, that's not the case at all. Would you agree?

Isabeau Maxwell 54:04
Not at all. I have had clients come to me after being taken for 1000s of dollars. Oh, yeah. I have had gurus come up to me and say things, you know, you know the guru that's like, 18 years old.

Alex Ferrari 54:19
I love those gurus, do you? They're fantastic because they they seem so wise.

Isabeau Maxwell 54:26
They're so on there beyond their years.

Alex Ferrari 54:29
I listen, nothing against nothing against the youngins. And that's all good. I get it. And there are historically, some very born.

Isabeau Maxwell 54:40
If you meet someone who is born and absolutely tapped in at 18, they do not present themselves that way. Agree. They do not present they just present themselves. If an 18 year old guru walks up to you and says, My child, I'm done. We've We've ended this conversation,

Alex Ferrari 54:58
Yeah, it's, it's interesting. Because I've done a lot of studying and research in the Eastern philosophies, the Eastern, you know, yoga philosophy and all that kind of stuff. So there are stories of, oh, yeah, young gurus that are born in I always say, like, every soul comes in and we all have something to work on. Yeah, there are a handful, very few, souls that come in fully realized. And they get it at three or four, they're just talking, and they're like, what is happening? Very much like Jesus, when Jesus came, and he was challenging priests at five or six, right in the temple. And they're like, Who the hell is this kid? So he obviously was, he didn't, he wasn't fully sorry. The years of Jesus, you could talk about how he, you know, went to the mystery schools, all that stuff. That's another conversation. But there are signs of that kind of stuff. But they will not present themselves as a guru. They'll just, usually just be in the room and be present with you, and that alone will get you. You know, when you're in the room with a highly evolved soul, yes, you feel the energy.

Isabeau Maxwell 56:00
Yes, my number one red flag that I tell people is look for positioning. If you sense somebody is positioning with you in any way, shape or form, explain what's positioning. I'm better than you. I know more than you. Oh no. Oh god, I you know anything like that. It's all through me. It's all through me. Yeah, I have reached a level that no one else can ever reach.

Alex Ferrari 56:21
And if you pay me $5,000 I will teach you how to do that.

Isabeau Maxwell 56:25
But wait, there's more now, and there's another level we're gonna go to, another level. You just haven't learned this level yet, and when you learn this so any kind of positioning. Now, with that said, I just want to briefly talk about what I call the special factor as well, because I want to talk about it from a very compassionate point of view. I joke about an 18 year old, like feeling really, you know, like I'm I know some that comes from a place of hurting, and it comes from a place of not being seen. When I see somebody that does have this kind of special factor about them. What I actually see is somebody who no one showed up for, no one showed up for them, and they need this right now. We're all here playing different roles, and we all go through different cycles. I walked right up to the Tai Chi guy and said, You go help me. Boo, boo, boo. You're weird. You're weird, right? And I was hurting, and so that's all I knew. And so when I see someone who needs to feel that pride about what they like, I'm so into it, or I'm so that's what they need right now. That's actually part of their development, and they're going to get somewhere. You know, we all go through this. That's another thing. It's like our emo phase. Exactly. Every spiritual and every medium has an emo face.

Alex Ferrari 57:45
I'm gonna watch the crow and listen to a lot of the cure,

Isabeau Maxwell 57:48
And then your guides go, we're gonna shut you down for a minute, until such a good medium, so good at mediumship. And the guys go, Okay, you're gonna get a timeout.

Alex Ferrari 57:58
I'm, like, the most spiritual person, spiritual. I'm the most spiritual person.

Isabeau Maxwell 58:03
And then on the other side of it, I'm the most humble person you'll ever I'm the humblest of the humblest of the humble. You will never meet another as humble as me, or as spiritual as or as spiritual as me.

Alex Ferrari 58:12
And it becomes and that's the that is the spiritual trap that a lot of people on this spiritual path will call because the ego will go, yes, we'll fight it at first, yes, kind of like a mediumship. They'll fight it because it's not part of what it knows. But then all of a sudden, oh, wait, I'm getting attention. Oh, I'm getting some money too. Oh, I'm building something at this. Oh, okay, let's jump on board. Yep. And now we are not only a spiritual person, we are the most spiritual person, yeah, because it needs the ego. So then you fall into the ego trap.

Isabeau Maxwell 58:41
Some people never get out of the ego trap, and that's okay. And you want to know why it's okay, because we all need that teacher. We all need that teacher. I had that teacher, so I went out and searched out a couple of teachers. I had that teacher, and I also had a compassionate teacher that never positioned with me and said that my path is unique, just as hers is, and we're both going to grow at the same like in the way that we need to grow. So when you have both of those teachers, that is a lesson in itself. So some people who are that that positioning type teacher are here for a reason, says we got to look at it in all these angles. Everyone plays the contrast. Yeah. And some people that get stuck in that trap don't get stuck in it for very long, and then they come out of it, but they had to be in it to feel it and experience it,

Alex Ferrari 59:31
Right, exactly. So, so we have no one around us, that's fine. That's good. I just wanted to ask, I've had people like, you know someone I'm like, Okay, right, right now, I don't, not now. One thing you didn't answer before, when you came out publicly, what did the people around you, your friends, your business associates, your colleagues, family? Because a few of family weird. So they're gonna be like, Finally, yeah, I'm. Others were like, yeah, what? So what was that process like? And I asked very specifically, because people listening right now are going through this version Yes, and it's either coming out as a psychic medium, a channel, or just coming out from as a spiritual person in a very heavily religious, you know, background that yes, anything you anything new age, is disrupting and trying to figure it all out. So that's why I asked this question. So this question. So help people,

Isabeau Maxwell 1:00:25
I would say about 97, 95 to 97% of my students are opening their intuition for their own use, not for professional use. So I see this happening time and time again. Opening up spiritually is not simple for everyone you know, but for some people, they were blessed with the family structure to support them through the process, correct? But for the most, for the most part, it's not easy and it's brutal. You lose friends. That's painful. You get judged by the people that you thought cared about you, that's painful. Here's the worst one for me. I woke up to how I was being treated and allowing myself to be treated, I woke up, I woke up to the patterning and went, Oh, this is awful. What am I doing? And so with my with my relatives, I come from a Midwest family, so My relatives were like, Yeah, good. You finally figured it out. So when you went for dinner, cool, cool. I love them. My mom, we had some conversations, and then, you know, we went, words were words were exchanged, words were exchanged, and she was fine, and she was we had a really tumultuous relationship. It was the friends that I lost, a friend because she said, I've done something in my life, and I'm scared you're gonna see it. And she cut me out. Wow, yeah, Whoa, yeah, cuz I was so she had a secret. She had a secret, and you're a psychic. I could care less about your secret. But no, it's new. It's it's some of my friends, especially after they would see something come something would come through, and I would say something, and it would be like, Whoa. And then when you do that with someone, and they realize you're real, this is actually real, now they start thinking, What can she see? So that's a very difficult piece. So the minute you prove the mediumship to somebody, that insecurity comes pouring in.

Alex Ferrari 1:02:25
So it shows, it shows the true colors of the person, because now they don't feel safe, right? Like, obviously, I speak to weirdos like yourself all the time, and I have no fear of any of that kind of stuff, because it's just what I do. But I understand if someone's like, oh, wait a minute, that's that body that I buried last week, they're gonna find out I cheated on. I cheated on, yeah, that kind of thing is, it shows the true colors of the person right away. It does. It's really interesting with as you get older, you know, I try to tell my kids now, they're like, but my friends, I'm like, you won't know any of these, these kids in like, next year, like, your friends are gonna change 1000 times, if you're lucky. You might hold on to one or two over the years, if you're lucky. But as you get older, there is a lot more baggage, yeah, to deal with, with other people's other people's stuff, and making new friends is not an easy at least it isn't for me and my fan and my wife. Like making new friends. We're both pretty intuitive. We both feel it out really quickly, like when you and and your husband or your partner came in, it was like, Oh, Ah, awesome. Our people, our people, we just, we hit it right away. Yeah, you saw Yoda. We had a George Lucas conversation. It was great, but you feel the vibe, yeah, but it's, it's harder for a lot of people, as you get older, to deal with this. I can only imagine adding the complexity of coming out as a psychic.

Isabeau Maxwell 1:04:00
It's very complex, because I've run into a variety of situations, and it depends on the person and where they're at. The good news, here's the great news, I only have people in my life that are awesome, that are just incredible. They don't want anything from me. They love me for actually who I am, what a concept didn't have that for the first 30 some years. And especially when you're a high achiever, and they are, they show up for me, and they don't expect anything in return. And as a result, I in return. How can I show up for you? However, as a medium, especially if you've proved this is something that's very real. There's a whole bunch of differences around there. And so I have the one friend that I remember saying, I can't be friends with you, because you're going to see what I did. I have another and I would say that this woman was more of an associate, super balanced, super awesome, great woman, and I wanted to be friends with her. And she says, I'm going to be very honest with you, I'm not yet. At a stage where I can be comfortable with this, but if I ever do, I kind of want to be friends with you too. Really balanced, right? But then, you know, then there's been friends that I thought want to be my friend, and they just wanted, they don't. They don't want any of my opinion or advice. They just want me to tap in all the time. Oh yeah, yeah. And you're like, you don't really want me as a friend.

Alex Ferrari 1:05:22
You just want a free psychic on time.

Isabeau Maxwell 1:05:25
But the end result is that the people that I have would go to the mat for me. They love me unconditionally, and that is something I did not have until I opened up.

Alex Ferrari 1:05:26
Well, how do you get around the and I know this happens to to you, folk, you you're treated like a sideshow sometimes, yes, and it's a side show. It's so at parties or in public, or even if you're going out doing publicity or doing a show or something like that, if the person who's interviewing you're having a conversation with you isn't really kind of tuned in. They literally treat you like a sideshow, you know, carnival act almost. How do you not only feel about that, but how do you deal when that comes? I have to imagine, in 20 years that has come up at one point or another, because you keep nodding your head, Oh, yeah. So how do you deal with that? And how do you how? What advice would you have for other people who would do that? And it's also, we're talking about psychic medium, but this was also for channelers. This is also for people who are spiritual, who are coming out of the spiritual closet, and they're having a conversation about reincarnation in a place that that's the devil's work. Yep. So it's not just this. It's it's different, different levels of it, depending on what you're trying to come out as. But what do you think?

Isabeau Maxwell 1:06:48
Well, there are two categories that I've run into, the devil's work that's simple, I can tell you. I just say, we'll have a conversation after we're after we die, and then we'll straighten it out then, like, that's kind of how I move that. Because I see that. I see very clearly the in a very compassionate way, sure, of course, I was indoctrinated, not in religion, but in my only child upbringing, of what I was taught to believe, what love is, and all of I mean, I had to work, I had to work through the 3d world. You were programmed in the 3d world. Very programmed into it. And I understand what it takes to move through that and get out of it, so I just see that person as that's where they are right now. It actually has nothing to do with me. The other one, this is what we call it. We call it, can I just ask one question? That's the phrase that comes Can I just ask one thing and then, you know it's coming up. So either that's coming from a place of joy and excitement and hope that it's real, or it's coming from a place of they truly need something, you know, to they're confused, or they've got something going on, or they want to treat you like a side show. I had a gentleman come up once, and he took his coat off, and he handed me the coat, and he said, There's something in that pocket, but if you can tell me what's in the pocket of that coat, he didn't hand it to me. He shoved it toward me and said, if you can tell me what's in that pocket, I'll believe you. And I said, No,

Alex Ferrari 1:08:11
It's not my job to make you believe.

Isabeau Maxwell 1:08:13
I'm I don't dance. I'm not gonna do this, this, we're not gonna do the medium dance. And so I just politely say no. In the beginning, I was so consumed internally that this, I was so scared about how I was seen and all this. And it's 20 years at this point I know that whatever they're processing, they're processing, and all I can do is politely just say no. It's not really about me anymore.

Alex Ferrari 1:08:39
So you mentioned that big dog, greatest name for a spiritual guide I've ever. Big Dog explained to you how, kind of, like, how the whole system is working. You mentioned about a box, or something like that time box, or something like that, Oh, time boxes. What are time boxes? I've never heard that one before.

Isabeau Maxwell 1:08:59
When I teach, I make it really clear to people that I'm not talking about things that are actually in form. We have to talk about these. And I teach in analogies, and I teach in concepts. So I talk in terms of form, but this is just the concept of how this works when we come down here. So on the other side, can I actually reverse and please go? So I'll do that. I'll do the exit, yeah. And then we're going to do the entrance. So when we pass, like I said, we have three bodies. We've got the physical body, the programming body and the spiritual body. Physical body that's the earth, that's what's walking around on Earth. Programming body is who we were in this lifetime, and then the spiritual body is the soul. So when somebody crosses, they first release the physical body, when they're going through that in between that we talked about earlier, they are still carrying the programming body with their spiritual body. They're still both still Alex, yes, so I tell people as somebody's going through that, because when they say, why did they get stuck? Right? Because they're the exact same person they were here on earth when they start their journey. And we're. Not perfect. Sometimes we'll panic, sometimes we'll stop, right? But as that transition process automatically continues, you start to shed the programming body that lifetime of here, and that's when you cross over to the other side. That's why they say people on the other side. It's not fear based. It's not you can't have fear if you don't have linear time, linear time doesn't exist on the other side. It exists here. So when you deconnect, when you deconstruct from that linear time, programming body and let it go, you cross over and it's just your higher self, it's your soul, it's still your personality.

Alex Ferrari 1:10:36
Let me stop you one second. I want to dive into something. You just said. Fear doesn't exist in linear only. Only exists in linear time. Yes, it's a really important idea for people to grasp, because fear is the fear of what is a about to happen exactly. But if there is no about to happen, because there is no time, fear cannot exist in that space Exactly. So anything you're afraid of, I'm afraid of dying, well, that's in the future. Anything that you're afraid of, you're generally afraid of. It's coming in the future. Yes, you know that Tiger is going to eat me in the next two seconds. Yeah, that's in the future. Hopefully, hopefully it's in seconds. Hopefully it's hopefully.

Isabeau Maxwell 1:11:15
That's a scary one,

Alex Ferrari 1:11:16
Exactly, so. But that's really interesting for people to understand.

Isabeau Maxwell 1:11:20
Your time is everything in this existence. Of course, when people say, you know, you come down to earth, why do we come here? And I do hear a lot of people say, we come here to learn. And I I agree, but I think learning is under the umbrella of having experiences. So yeah, because to learn would be to say that our higher self doesn't know anything. Your higher self already, you know, knows everything that's already happened to you. Anyway, the higher self is hungry for linear time experiences. Your higher self might like to garden or not garden. Might like plants. Might like the growth of that and be interested in it, but it's not going to understand the full experience until it goes into a body and it has to watch that garden grow. Those are the experiences that we're here for. Are the linear time experience.

Alex Ferrari 1:12:11
So it would be the equivalent of me telling you, if you put your hand in the fire, you're gonna burn and then, and you tell your kids that as much as you want, but then, until they put their hand in the fire, that is this,

Isabeau Maxwell 1:12:20
They're not going to have the full experience

Alex Ferrari 1:12:20
Like you can content. You can intellectually understand what's happening, or conceptually understand what's happening, yes, but, and as anyone who's ever had children understands, just because we tell them something that's going to happen, yes, they sometimes just need to run into the wall, yes, or they have to put the fork into the outlet, yes.

Isabeau Maxwell 1:12:39
And then, as parents, we say you're not going to do that again. Now, are you Gen X parents say that that's fair. That's fair. Millennials are much kinder about it.

Alex Ferrari 1:12:51
Okay, so on the other side,

Isabeau Maxwell 1:12:53
On the other side, you're now a soul. So this is how I explain it to my students. On the other side, your higher self is like a large ball of light, and you take a chunk of that light out, and you throw it into a body, and it runs around Earth, and then when it's done, it comes back now, because our higher self is not in linear time. That all happened in an instant. Linear time is the experience that we have down here in the body. So with that said, this is why all lifetimes are all happening at the same time anyway, because they're not linear on the other side. But when we come down here, we need to get to the time boxes. We need a platform to be able to carry these experiences so that we can process them when we return. So the way the big dog explained it to me, which I think is pretty, pretty helpful. Analogy is, you come down and time boxes are clear cubes. And again, not really, we're just using an analogy here, but they're clear cubes that are cubes on purpose, because when you get into linear time, they need to hold there, not not spheres that are smooth, that can move, and they're filled with unmarked emotion. You go down and every experience that you have from birth marks the emotion in each of these time cubes. Now we have an unlimited amount of time cubes throughout our body, you know, time boxes, and we start to accumulate all of these experiences. This is where we store trauma. This is why our muscles have memory like store memory, and these time boxes are built to hold us in linear time, to anchor us here into a body, because our spirit can be kind of smooth, so it's slippery. So it's one analogy to be able to say how we anchor in but we all come down with a blank slate of emotion, and then the emotions get colored. This is, in essence, a way to describe the programming body. So when you start to change your programming body, you recognize that it's what happened to you in your younger years, and what happened to you in your younger years was the emotion within your time boxes became colored for a different this color or that color. Compared to whatever experience they had.

Alex Ferrari 1:15:02
And then you slowly, you can release them in this lifetime, but when you get on the other side, there's a processing of that,

Isabeau Maxwell 1:15:07
Yeah, so when you when you cross back over, when you decide it's time to head back home, and you let go the physical body, that programming body, that mass of time boxes, is now breaking apart, showing the experiences, bringing the experiences back to the other side.

Alex Ferrari 1:15:23
Would that be the life review? Yes, part of the life. That's part of life review, yeah. I've also heard that sometimes that souls have to go through a kind of a decompression chamber, if you will, as use an analogy, kind of the process, trauma process, a lot of that crap that they picked up down here. This is intense down here. This is very intense. This is intense down here. It's a very intense

Isabeau Maxwell 1:15:48
This is a, why did I sign up for this? Yes, yeah, this is,

Alex Ferrari 1:15:52
It's very much like giving birth when I understand you, like, when you're giving birth, you're like, I'm never doing this again. And then, but a year in, like, I think I could have another I can have another one. And you're like, Forget of how much pain you so is there? Is it from your understanding, kind of like this in a healing center I've used, I've heard many different terms for it, but I like to call it a decompression chamber, because you are literally decompressing. You're like, in this dense, experience with all this stuff at the bottom of the ocean, and as you go up, you're gonna get the bends, and you might not be able to do what you need to do. On the other side that this kind of compressor shape, I heard my grandmother, a medium, told me that about my grandmother, she's like, Yeah, she had to go through many quote, unquote, days in that chamber to decompress a lot of the trauma that she went through in this lifetime, which was a lot, is that what you understand as well?

Isabeau Maxwell 1:16:47
Very similar, very similar. I see it in sort of levels of releasing, yeah. So very similar to that when we're very close to Earth. And so we go back to that concept of spirits that are hanging around. I hate the word stuck, but hanging around, chilling, chilling, chilling, chilling, just chilling. They're anchored into some of the energies that are closest aligned to this earth based experience, which would be time, sometimes fear, hate, things like this, things that are really anchored into the timeline. And then as you go further up and you're doing this transition process, you release out of things that are solidly connected to the timeline, and you get closer to the things that are not connected to the timeline at all, love, compassion, unity, things like this. So that's how I see people processing the first time boxes to release are going to be the ones that you're stuck on something, you had a fear of something you do need to release that. And then as you move up, you start to remember who you are, not just in that one lifetime, but as a whole. And then the crossing over process just sort of unfolds.

Alex Ferrari 1:17:59
And the my understanding as well, is like when, like that aunt came down about the pie, that soul, that higher self, is putting on the jacket, if you will. Yes, of that Aunt any because she's not the aunt anymore. It's over. I mean, she was also a Roman Emperor. She was also Cleopatra. Because everyone was Cleopatra. Everyone was Cleopatra, you know, and Joan of Arc, Joan of Arc, but you were many other lifetimes well, so you wore many suits, yes, along the way, but when she's coming back in, she's not coming back in as Cleopatra. She's coming back in as Auntie Anne, because that's who you recognize. So if I asked for Robin Williams to show up, the soul that was Robin Williams will show up through the through the mask or the lens, through the lens of Rob, of Robin Williams, because that's who I can connect with, not his other lifetimes, that he's he's experienced that soul experience that makes sense?

Isabeau Maxwell 1:18:53
It does. And when you explain this, that can sometimes bring up a little bit of fear with somebody that, like my grandma's not my grandma then. And so that's when I explained to people on the other side these balls of light, your higher self is a ball of light. Right next to you is another one that's a soul mate. Right next to you is another one that's a soul mate. We're all over there. Imagine that's the soul family. It's a soul family. Yeah, it's the it's the core group. It's it's your buddies.

Alex Ferrari 1:19:20
My wife always jokes. She's like, there was once there was a medium that came to the studio and said, Oh, you guys have been together a lot. And she said this obscene number of how many times we've been together, over many lifetimes in one way, shape or form, daughter, Father, all this kind of stuff. And she's like, I must have been in a hurry in this one Absolutely. She's like, it seems excessive. I mean, there's nobody else in the universe I can hang with who said, you know,

Isabeau Maxwell 1:19:46
It's you and me. Here we are. This is this is me, my partner, too. I'm like, well, took us long enough to connect, but I'm glad we did. But on the other side, if we're all, each higher self is a ball of light. They're all connected by. Like a multi dimensional spider web. You could say it goes in all directions, and at every intersection of that web is a soul. It's a higher self. And when we come down here, before we even come down here, you're gonna chat with your soul mate and be like, okay, when I'm 43 I'm gonna run into you on Main Street, and then we're just gonna party for the rest of our lives. Yeah, got it. And you come down here and you do that. So in one sense, in a very human sense, yes, that's not your grandmother specifically, but that is your soul mate speaking through the experience that you and your soul mate had in this particular lifetime.

Alex Ferrari 1:20:38
So I'm going to change change topics for a second about the and I asked this, of many people who come on the show about what's happening right now in the world when you came out 20 years ago? Yeah, a little bit under 20 years ago as a as a professional, but since the experience about 20 years ago, the world was a lot different. Yes, in regards to this stuff, spirituality, people awakening to I like I use movie references all the time, so seeing the code in the matrix like people are starting to awaken more and more, the things around us seem to be crashing down around us, these institutions, religious, political, economic, food systems, medical systems, media, all these systems are cracking Things that you and I thought as we were growing up were infallible. Oh, yeah. Like, you know this movie studios, like, they're giants, you know, the Catholic Church, the Vatican, what? Like, you know, like, you know everything, like politics will be always, will there's never, you know, you know our government. Oh, my God, it will never come crashing down. And now you're like,

Isabeau Maxwell 1:21:44
Look at that. There's some cracks in the system. My favorite way of saying is, well, that's interesting.

Alex Ferrari 1:21:52
That's, that's exactly how I look. That's how I look at life as well. Now it's like, oh, that's kind of interesting. That's happening now, but all this stuff seems to be happening, and people are really kind of scared, yes, about what is happening, why it's happening? From your point of view as a psychic, I'm assuming you've, at one point or another, tapped into like, Hey, where are we going, guys?

Isabeau Maxwell 1:22:14
Yeah, so been a rough five years. I might have a question or two for you,

Alex Ferrari 1:22:18
Because you know 2020 on, it's been, it's been a roller coaster for us, and every year seems to get almost worse than the year before. And this year was no different. I mean, we started off. I mean, we've lost the Pope, and LA was on fire and, I mean, wars and, yeah,

Isabeau Maxwell 1:22:33
But the new pope, I'm here for it. I mean, the Chicago, the Chicago pope is the Pope, and I'm here for it. Well, I grew up in Minnesota, yeah. And he is, he's, he's aligned with compassion. And I just want to, like, give him a fist bump, and yeah, so even though, I mean, I'm not Catholic, but he's a good guy.

Alex Ferrari 1:22:33
But yeah. So anyway, so all this stuff is happening in the world. What? What have you seen? What have you, like, talked about, you know, I don't need the lottery ticket numbers, but just curious, like to give people a little bit of peace of mind, or at least information that will let them know that this is going to continue. Probably will get worse, but there is hope around the corner. There's a plan. Yes, yeah, exactly. This is all part of the plan. This is a birthing process we're going through, right? Yes. So to explain to me.

Isabeau Maxwell 1:23:23
Yes. Now, um, so my main guide now is Peter. Big Dog pops in every now and then. Big Dog has things to do. Big has got things to do.

Alex Ferrari 1:23:31
His name is big dog. He's like, he's surfing.

Isabeau Maxwell 1:23:34
He's surf. He is he's like, that was a task. And he's telling the other guys, like, how hard it was to work with me. Yeah, drinks, yeah, he's having a Mai Tai going, oh, there's this one day where she was like, what so?

Alex Ferrari 1:23:51
Oh, that was a project. Oh, that's a project. Had to go into that cold for two years.

Isabeau Maxwell 1:23:59
The other guy that the bar is like, Oh, I had a tough one that I had to wake up and open up and big legs, like, you don't even know. You don't even know. And she's still a pinch. She's still a project. Yes. Oh, so Peter is my current guide, and he's the one that I go to to say, Hey, what's going on? Now, I want to preface this by saying just two things, I'm also human, and anybody that's in the spiritual realms that says they don't have the human experience, run, run, run. Thank you for saying that out loud. Run as fast as you can. I have my days. I will be watching the news, and I will feel all the human feels around this too. The second thing I want to say is I also know when to trust my intuition and when not to it's hard to get intuitive information for yourself, because if you have too much of a vested interest in the outcome, is my sister going to be okay? Is my dad going to be okay? What do you it's it gets very muddied, and this is why it's hard to get information for ourselves. Ourselves really good intuitive, like you said earlier, some are outstanding. You want to know why they're outstanding. I can tell you exactly why an intuitive is outstanding. They know when it's not intuition, when you can recognize that then, then all of it's outstanding. It's either intuition or it's your left brain. It's your logical brain trying to put your input in and your opinion in your and such. When an intuitive can actually sense that and they know rock stars, then it's rock star. Got it. So those are the things I will say, Okay, now with that said, the information that I've gotten from Peter over the years, this started back in 2019

Alex Ferrari 1:25:40
So right before, hey, there's going to be this thing,

Isabeau Maxwell 1:25:42
Yes, there's going to be this thing. So I taught the sage method. It's a seven week intuitive course. I taught that since 2000 and I want to say eight, right after, big dog told me to bring it out into the world, and I taught it in person to and I'm, you wouldn't know it today, but I'm, I was a very hiding behind the scenes person, and Big Dog told me, in 2000 or Peter told me, in 2019 I need you to record this, put this online. I said, I need you to check yourself, because there's no way I'm going to be on video. Anybody? Anybody to watch? And Peter rolled his eyes. And then I put it on video and put it out into the world. Couple months later, the pandemic hits, and so now I'm starting to ask him, How did you tell me? Well, what's going on and what can we expect? In essence, and I don't bring politics into my teachings and stuff, but I can tell you in an analogy, 2019 2020 was about taking all of us were one giant bucket of water, and it was taking all of us shaking it up until all the mud and the soot came up to the top, and we went, Wait a minute. Our water is not very clean and clear like we thought it was. So covid Did a it was so brutal. But some of the some of the little things that came out of it were beautiful, because people got to stop and look at their job and go, am I really supposed to do? People had to go inward. Am I with the right person? So that was the beginning. And then I said, Peter, the beginning of what can you please tell me the end game so I'm never scared again? And he said, No, I'm just kidding. But that was the beginning that had to go through. Hate had to be exposed, negativity had to come up. We had to see that it was really still there lying on the bottom. And so parties in play welcomed the mud to come back up. This is how it was explained to me. He said, it will settle, and then some of it will settle all the way back to the bottom. This is where we are today. Some of it will only settle halfway down, and then realize I don't want to go back down there, and will clear itself. So you will end up with less mud than we started. There will still be mud. We are not going, I don't see us going to like a perfect, a mud list, a mud list, clear, perfect for a while, for a while, for a while, there will be little less and less and less and less mud as we go. And it will, it will be outgrown. But the people that are waking up are waking up on purpose, this whole thing. If this didn't happen, we wouldn't be waking up. So it is the it's the tougher side of the spiritual awakening. And I saw it as kind of a bell curve. We're heading to the bell curve. And I remember Peter said 2025 is going to be the year. So he told me this, 2022 because I kept going, dude.

Alex Ferrari 1:28:38
Dude, just give me the dude. Give me a year.

Isabeau Maxwell 1:28:40
How long do I gotta hold on here? Because this is, this is getting wild. This is getting tough and and he said, 2025 is the year. It's a really good year. So 2025 comes, and it came out hot and bumpy, literally, like right out of the gate, right? But this has to happen. This is a this is an extinction burst. This is these systems will not remain, and those and that which is holding on to those systems are absolutely panicking because those systems aren't going to be in place in the near future. And when all you know is all you know and that's taken away from you, you panic if you have a 10 year old child who was raised by an abusive parent, and that's all they know. That kid is not going to be happy when you pick them up to take them away. Over time, they'll heal and they'll learn, but that's all they know. So part of the spiritual awakening is opening up and waking up and going, Hey, there's also comparisons in here too. There's a reason we're not all awakening at the same time. You have to have those that are not waking up to those that are in order to see that people are waking up. This is basic logic. Is everybody going to wake up? I don't think so. I don't think so, because everyone plays their role, and every role is important.

Alex Ferrari 1:30:00
We need contrast. We need the contract. We need Darth Vader. We can't have a whole world full of Luke Skywalker,

Isabeau Maxwell 1:30:07
Or there's no story. We came down here for a story.

Alex Ferrari 1:30:11
I mean, as a storyteller, and one who's spoken to every major story guru on the planet on my other shows, without a good villain without conflict. Stories are boring.

Isabeau Maxwell 1:30:23
People in the next five years are going to understand unity, connection and compassion on levels that many before them did not why, as a result of walking through this.

Alex Ferrari 1:30:35
So this, so this is, that's the question, what is this? So the systems are going. We see it. It's happening. It's, yeah, it's happening. Our monetary system is going to probably collapse at one point or change, change, change. There'll always be something, but it'll change. We've already seen that with cryptocurrencies, yeah, things like that. There's a, there's a birthing process that every area is changing. Media right now, we are having a conversation, and this, this episode, will probably get more traction than many shows on cable. They'll just get more viewers. Things have just the script flipped. It's upside down, you know, there's, there's a kid right now with a phone going, I'm pranking somebody, and they're gonna get 5 billion freaking views, so that many eyeballs. That's completely not traditional media, religion. People are leaving religion in droves.

Isabeau Maxwell 1:31:28
They're either leaving it or they're redefining and reconnecting to community,

Alex Ferrari 1:31:33
Right or and also, so like a friend of mine, is a cafeteria Catholic. I love that term. She's She just goes in, takes what she likes, and she walks in, and that's it, and that's the way she works it. And in many ways, I joke as a recovering Catholic, but I but I'm also a cafeteria Catholic, because I grab things that of Jesus's teachings that make sense to me, as I did with Buddha, as I do with Yogananda, as I do with so many of the Masters who walked on the earth before. So I'm redefining my spirituality, and it's not a third party. Thank you that is controlling my connection with

Isabeau Maxwell 1:32:07
We're cutting out the third party of a lot of things. We're cutting out the middleman, and the middleman doesn't like that. Oh, the middleman does not like this. The middleman hasn't done the inner work, is what I like to say, and the middleman does not like this. What do you mean? I have to change that tension and that conflict needs to be there for the greatness of overcoming it to be an experience, and it stinks. And I'm not the teacher that says to my students, oh, everything's gonna be perfect. I'm the teacher that says, why? Let's stay curious and let's stay interested, and then let's get to the root of it. Like you said, this is a birthing process. If you walk into any birthing room in the middle of a contraction and be like, isn't this fantastic? You're really good. You're giving but she's going to be like, not now,

Alex Ferrari 1:32:54
Give me some ice chips and get out of here.

Isabeau Maxwell 1:32:54
Give me some ice chips and get out of here. There's there in this and throughout the spiritual awakening that's happening. And it started more like 2017 I would say, really. And then it started to ramp up. There's been waves, you know, you're in the ear in the filming industry. You saw when it was popular for people to put out television shows and movies that were like, gotcha or slightly mean, or Simon. Then you saw the shift into it's good to be kind

Alex Ferrari 1:33:31
Yes, just look at Simon. Yeah. Simon is my favorite example of, Simon from America, America's idol. My, what? My, my, my daughters were watching Gordon Ramsay the other day, watching master chef, and was started from, like, season one, and then like, Oh my God, he's so mean, I'm like, he is makes Simon Cowell look like a puppy, yes, and there's still glimpses of that in his newer shows that he's doing now. But he is so much softer, yes, than he used to be. It's just the nature of hopefully, as you get older, you lose a lot of that kind of energy. Generally speaking,

Isabeau Maxwell 1:34:11
Yes, this is true. I also think that there is a pattern that we go through, that we will consistently go through forever on this earth, of going in and out of dark times and light times and dark times, the cycles. And right now this spiritual awakening comes with a cycle of hate and kindness and hate and kindness. We're leaving that second cycle of hate, and we're stepping into that last cycle of kindness to get us into this next stage. So we are in a process, and I don't even mean next stage, like 2030 2070 I mean in the next two years, people are waking up to what's actually important, and they're starting to step away from the programming piece, and they're starting to learn how they actually feel. So when we witness all this, this is what keeps me hopeful. Knowing that we've all grown up a whole lot, the fact that more people know what narcissism is today, oh God, isn't that glorious? It is. It's not glorious that it exists, but

Alex Ferrari 1:35:11
You're a narcissist.

Isabeau Maxwell 1:35:13
People can see the behavior, and the behavior is going to start to become uncool. Again, very fast, very fast. And the ones that had the clicks in the views and the loud voices of like, what's that called fear baiting, things like this, they're gonna start. The skills are tipping, and that's where we're headed.

Alex Ferrari 1:35:34
It's, it's, it's interesting to see how media has changed a lot. I mean, you turn on the news. It's all fear. And if it leads, it leads. It's just it's the way it is. It's still that way, though. You can just see that people aren't buying it anymore, because all of network news, all of cable news, their numbers are down.

Isabeau Maxwell 1:35:52
The pendulum swings. This is the same thing. What I what I saw with Simon and society, started to say, We want a little bit more kindness, and TV and film will step up to the plate. They want to be where you're at. And so as you see society move toward kindness, you're going to see that on TV. You're going to see that on what people are watching, what's popular, what's not popular, and nothing changes faster than when numbers drop, as you know,

Alex Ferrari 1:36:17
Oh yeah, money. Money Talks. Money Talks. No, there's no question about it. And if you start looking at what's popular, looking at what's popular right now, you know the things that we grew up with, yeah, in the glorious 80s and 90s? Oh, those were good. Those were good. Well, that's all we watch now. Is just rehashes of what we grew up with. Yeah, by the way, he man and Masters of the Universe is coming out soon, live action. So not now. Yeah, it's coming. It's why not? Why went up for that? Why not? Why wouldn't you? Why would you? I just watched, I just watched the karate kids movie, the new Karate Kid movie, yeah, probably the best one of the of the series. I loved it

Isabeau Maxwell 1:36:49
Before we ever came down. We said, okay, he man and sheera, but that has to recycle again before we leave. Like, many times these things happen, but, yeah,

Alex Ferrari 1:36:57
But you look at those old movies and old TV shows, and you're just like, you cringe. Sometimes you like, Yes, oh, like you watch any Arnold movie, or any sly movie other than Rocky's maybe, but like the violence

Isabeau Maxwell 1:37:10
And the things that are said and the things are appropriate that,

Alex Ferrari 1:37:13
Oh, my god, things that did not age. Well, there's certain movies, like we were talking about my wife and I were talking about revenge of the nerds. Oh, there's so much that movie does not age well at all, like it's brutal to watch, and you're like, oh, oh, that's not gonna It's just fascinating to see how our tastes have changed. Yes, I think we are kinder than we've ever been before. But also this other aspect, the contrast to that is also, I think there's been more hate publicly than there has ever been in our lifetime. And like, and I think you would agree that we always knew racism was there. Yeah, it's not a thing, of course. And there was hate and discrimination even in the 80s and the 90s. It was there, hidden behind, you know, the me too, movement, with what happened with, you know, being in Hollywood, I saw, yeah, things. I never went to a Diddy party, but

Isabeau Maxwell 1:38:11
I wasn't invited.

Alex Ferrari 1:38:12
But it was a joke, but it was Dave Chappelle. Was like, why wasn't I invited? But there was a running joke. Is, like, the casting couch, yeah, that was a joke in movies. Like people would talk about it, but it was horrifically a real thing. But it was a thing. People were like, Oh, if you want to get this part, you have to sleep with the producer, like it was a passing joke and it was just part of the thing. Now that's obviously unacceptable. Now there's intimacy coordinators on set to make sure that people having love scenes feel comfortable, you know? And there's a correction that happened during that whole thing.

Isabeau Maxwell 1:38:47
This is how I like to explain it. It was never acceptable. But we're going from the I to the we.

Alex Ferrari 1:38:57
It's slow, but

Isabeau Maxwell 1:38:58
It's slow. It's too slow for us, and those that made it acceptable were never really on the food chain, no, the Harvey Weinsteins of the world, and so they were never they don't understand the fear that a human carries when they're on the food chain and when you're at the top of that, there's no compassion or consideration for others, because this is just how it was taught. This is that program teaching that's happening.

Alex Ferrari 1:39:26
Oh, it was happening from the birth of Hollywood. Yes, it's in the chaplain days that that was going on, absolutely.

Isabeau Maxwell 1:39:32
And you can see it in many, many industries and musicians and music publishing. And people are starting to figure out, and they're starting to open up to that connection, that this person standing next to me is part of my community, part of that we are all connected. We're all one, we're all one. And people are starting to figure that out. So they're starting to have more critical thinking skills, which is fantastic, and then they're starting to also have compassion for others that. Becoming stronger because the Earth is changing. The vibration is changing. And this is a direct result of spiritual growth for people. So which it can be painful, yeah.

Alex Ferrari 1:40:10
And the thing is too that, you know, we're so we're talking about, we said that, oh, things are moving slowly in all in all honesty, things are moving at such a fast pace in the last 150 years, yeah, what we thought was cool, yeah, 100 years ago, yeah, is, you know, there was millennia of human history, yeah, that things really didn't move.

Isabeau Maxwell 1:40:33
Didn't move. We are, we are skateboarding with no helmet, down a steep hill right now, with rockets, with rockets,

Alex Ferrari 1:40:40
Like, you know, those rockets, those like, it was a dangerous Dave, you know who I'm talking about, the guy who's just run into balls and stuff all the time. He was great. That was but rockets on our skates going down, because we are moving pretty quickly, and I think in these last five years, his bit. So it seems to be going, it's just, it's, it's a hockey stick action going on. Covid

Isabeau Maxwell 1:41:03
broke the isolation. We were isolated. Covid broke that isolation. You don't know what you miss until you miss it. People came out of that missing, that connection, energetic connection, and the spiritual connection, even if they don't word it that way. We all have different terms for these things, but they realized that this is what's missing, and some of us didn't know how to do it. Coming out of it, and some of us, I like to lightly joke, came out of the basement, caused some problems because they didn't know how to do it. This is a huge opportunity for inner growth that doesn't happen overnight. But wow, Are we flying down that hill.

Alex Ferrari 1:41:45
And so you were saying that these next, this year is going to be a pivotal year for transition, and it seems to be happening, yeah, as it's happening now, my understanding is these next, I think seven years is what the number

Isabeau Maxwell 1:41:59
That is exactly the same number that Peter told me, seven. He said seven years from now, it will be, this will be in the in the past. This will be, but this is going to be a hell of a ride. It's going to be ups and downs, and each down is going to get a little less low so, so it's going to get it's going to start to wave length out and balance out until we can look back and go, that was rough. That was tough, kind of

Alex Ferrari 1:42:21
Like what we're looking at covid right now. Like you look at covid, it seems like a bad memory,

Isabeau Maxwell 1:42:26
But if we look at the world today, we have one area of the world that is behaving badly, and probably should be in timeout, and then a few of those places, a few of those places, there are a few of those places, but we have a very influential place that is doing that right now, and the mirror work that people talk about in spirituality, where you see in somebody else what you don't want to be that's happening with countries all over and out, countries outside of that are looking at that and going, Yeah, that doesn't look like fun. So I don't think we want to do that. And then that gives people an opportunity to see their compassion within themselves and say, This is important. Compassion is important. Unity is important. So it's going to be more unity quicker than we think. And not, I'm not talking about money and stuff like that. We got to work all that out. Those are going to take, that's going to take a little bit to work out, but people showing up for other people. That's the core of it. And when you see somebody, let's say we're on the playground, our playground, remember our playground?

Alex Ferrari 1:43:28
Oh yeah, the ones that were kids got how we are alive is beyond me.

Isabeau Maxwell 1:43:31
It'snot kicked out of them sometimes, right? And you see that, and you go, I don't I don't want to do that. I That doesn't look good to me. So some of these things that are coming up are mere exercises, and that's what's going to get the world to Unity.

Alex Ferrari 1:43:47
But those mirrors are not fun. No, no, they're not fun. So these next seven years, is what I've heard. It's going to be a rough ride. There'll be ups and downs. The downs will be less than before, but it's going to be Yeah. It's going to be strap it,

Isabeau Maxwell 1:44:00
Yeah, and everyone that has been actually suffering for so long hidden under the carpet that nobody paid attention to people are starting to see it, and they're starting to show up. For those people, and you got to do the hard work to see it and show up.

Alex Ferrari 1:44:18
But one thing also I'd like to put out there, and I'd love to hear your thoughts about it is that just because things around you might be going crazy, it is your experience, in your your path that you make choice to what to focus on that will determine your life. So I said this so many times, like during the oh eight crash during the Great Depression. There are people who thrived in those experiences during covid. Many businesses were born out of that. Many families, many relationships were born out of that kind of chaos, and they were not touched as much as others were. So it's not like. Sentence. Like, oh, we're all going to jail. Yeah, we're all going to have to walk through the fire. Yeah? Some don't have to, because we've already, kind of, either you've chosen not to, and you could be more like, that's really interesting, yeah, kind of you, you become the observer and not the participant. Yes. Would you agree with that?

Isabeau Maxwell 1:45:18
I would agree that that's that's happening. What I ask of others is, if this fire isn't burning, you show up for somebody that absolutely, yeah, that's, that's my thing is, is, if I had to break it down into just one sentence of what's happening on the globe is every person is getting an opportunity to start showing up for some one else. And when we do that, we are going to be so powerful,

Alex Ferrari 1:45:44
Right! Because you're basically going back to what Jesus says, Yeah, you know, because, you know, be kind to treat yourself, treat others as you want to be treated the kingdom heavens within you, all this stuff.

Isabeau Maxwell 1:45:54
So how does somebody get through this, right? How does somebody go is it? Thanks. Bo, that's great. All right, I'm still freaking out, right? Or things are still off balance, because there's still truth in abundance and manifesting. It is a magnetic process. It's why we do ground, clear, protect. We have the bubble that filters says what we want in comes in. What we don't stay, stays out. When you pay attention to your energetic system. What's in that system will attract more of what's in the system. So there are times where that's easy. We're in a time right now that it's not. And I'm going to give you a quirky example. When I was younger, traveling with my my mom was a nightmare. She'd be like, we're going to Disney World, and I'd be like, Oh no. So it was a night as a nightmare. I turned, I don't know, 1819, and this is just a fluke. I said, That's it. For the rest of my life, I'm gonna have travel magic. And then it happened, and I started, it started to become quirky, like no matter what happened, it always I had perfect flights, never delayed throughout my entire life, it became a joke. Travel magic. Travel magic. It was travel magic. My grandfather was passing. I showed up to the airport on Thanksgiving. Didn't know that everyone showed up to an airport on things. I didn't know that I was young, and I was standing there, and I looked over the railing and said, Well, this is going to be interesting to see how it unfolds, because I have this core belief that it always works. And an employee walked up, leaned over and said, it's pretty, pretty wild down there, isn't it? And I said, Yeah, my flight leaves in 20 minutes. And he's like, I'll get you there. So I have travel magic, and I always I was just quirky and fun. Last couple years, I have literally had to ground clear, protect everything's great. Or, as me and my partner say, it's like butter, everything's gonna work out smooth as butter. And I've had to say the affirmations today 20 years into my path, more often because of the tension. So there are times that we have to put the extra effort in to remind our energetic body what it should be holding on to and what it shouldn't, and then that's when we get the best outcome. And that's what I would tell people today. Yes, what's happening is going on. What's troublesome in the world is happening. People, thank goodness, are finally being seen and loved, but this is gonna be some stress for you. And when you feel stress anytime in your life, take the extra steps to do those extra moments of affirmations, even if they feel like they're beginner, steps again. Fill it back up, because it works. Spooky works.

Alex Ferrari 1:48:26
One last thing I wanted to ask before we finish up, because I'll keep talking to you for hours. This has been so much fun. You said that you're you have families of family members who have this gift, yes, as well. Can you talk a little bit about, what have you learned, or what has big dog or Peter told you about how that works scientifically? Like is there something in the DNA that allows you to have this ability? And you choose this, you choose the body, you choose the bloodline, you choose the ancestral karma, all the stuff that you you're coming in to do, but there is a physical rule here. Let's kind of like when you have two Olympic athletes, Yeah, mate and they have a child, yeah, chances are that child is going to probably be picked first at things at school, because they just genetically have that gift. So there is a genetic gift when it comes to being a psychic medium or Channeler or spirit, someone spiritual. But specifically the, I'm curious about the psychic medium that we call it the gift. Is there some sort of science behind that that he ever they explained to you?

Isabeau Maxwell 1:49:34
There is, but it's, it's a little bit sideways from, from that for me, um, I'm not. I try to avoid using the word gift, because it makes people It separates. It does. I see our intuition, and I was trained by Big Dog and by Peter, that intuition is your sixth sense. So if you are curious about how strong it's going to be for one person. In put it in terms of another sense. If we live in a world where everyone was told you don't have taste buds, you can't taste anything, and then somebody starts having taste in there that I can taste something, then they're what, weird, crazy, right? It's the exact same thing with intuition. Everyone has it. Everyone has taste buds. And every now and then you're going to get that person that is, like the finest wine taster, or the finest, you know, taster of this and that. So every now and then, you're going to have it be stronger. But in essence, what's happening here is a little bit backwards. We've been trained and programmed to believe that we don't have it. And when an entire society believes that taste buds don't exist, and they don't, and you believe it, and you can program yourself that way. For me, I like to look at more like the synapses, the fire in your brain. They fire in a habit, and over and over. It's why it takes, what, 28 days to break a habit, or something like that, right? Well, that's because they have it. They habitually move in a way to say, this is this is, this is. So if you were told your entire life it's not real, your synapses are firing in that direction over and over and over, and then you have one experience, and the synapses go, who? And they fire in a different direction. But I guarantee you, 24 hours later, they're going to go back to the old way of thinking. So it's a habit. Here's what I tell people to do get a no doubt notebook. I that's not really a thing. I just like calling it a no doubt notebook. And every time you have an intuitive experience, write it in that notebook. And when your doubt comes back in again, read it. Read the notebook, your synapses, literally chemically, will fire back into what's really happening to you in the moment, and over time, the habit will be built that you will recognize that which is real, instead of that what you were taught,

Alex Ferrari 1:51:46
Beautiful, beautiful. Now I'm going to ask you a few questions. Ask all my guests, yes. What is your definition of living a fulfilled life?

Isabeau Maxwell 1:51:54
My definition of living a fulfilled life is being in the moment as often as possible and having as many experiences you can have

Alex Ferrari 1:52:01
If you had a chance to go back in time and speak to Little Beau. What advice would you give her?

Isabeau Maxwell 1:52:11
Oddly, it would be do exactly what you did, all the good and all the bad, because it's gonna be awesome.

Alex Ferrari 1:52:20
And what advice would little Beau give you today?

Isabeau Maxwell 1:52:23
Quit being stubborn.

Alex Ferrari 1:52:24
Fair enough. How do you define God or Source?

Isabeau Maxwell 1:52:29
I define God or Source as that beautiful spider web that connects all the souls on the other side. And it is, in essence, the purest form of unconditional love that exists.

Alex Ferrari 1:52:42
And what is love?

Isabeau Maxwell 1:52:43
Love is creation

Alex Ferrari 1:52:45
Beautiful. If you had a chance to ask God one question, what would it be?

Isabeau Maxwell 1:52:49
Why the platypus?

Alex Ferrari 1:52:53
He has a sense of humor. She has a sense of humor. Yes, it has a sense of humor. I always, like, you don't think I always see the same thing, like, have you seen the platypus? I mean,

Isabeau Maxwell 1:53:02
I mean, why? Why? I don't understand. I would want more, more, more than that, I would probably say, Thank you for the opportunity to have this beautiful holodeck that I get to have all these experiences in good and bad

Alex Ferrari 1:53:19
So many geek references, nerd, nerd, and I'm a nerd for knowing the reference.

Isabeau Maxwell 1:53:26
I didn't explain it because I knew you would know, of course, of course.

Alex Ferrari 1:53:32
And how do you define liberation in this

Isabeau Maxwell 1:53:36
Serving yourself first so you can serve others with more greatness.

Alex Ferrari 1:53:43
And finally, what is the ultimate purpose of life?

Isabeau Maxwell 1:53:46
To have experiences,

Alex Ferrari 1:53:47
And where can people find out more about you and the amazing work you're doing in the world?

Isabeau Maxwell 1:53:47
I do a pretty good job at keeping it all on one website, and it's the sage method.

Alex Ferrari 1:53:57
It's thesagemethod.com. and they'll get everything they need from you there, how to get how to get ahold of you, and all that stuff. That stuff. Great. And do you have any parting messages for the audience?

Isabeau Maxwell 1:54:10
Know that when times are tough, when you're very much in the human let it actually be okay to be there and then come out of it, when we try to fight the experience that we're in and try to stop it. We stay in it, so you can be in it. Just don't stay in it.

Alex Ferrari 1:54:27
It's quicksand. Spiritual clues, spiritual quicksand.

Isabeau Maxwell 1:54:31
Yeah, so give yourself permission. Give yourself permission for one thing every single day.

Alex Ferrari 1:54:38
And on a lighter note, did you think that quicksand was going to be a bigger deal? I was terrified. I mean, I was terrified. Only 80s and 90s kids will understand it was terrible. Quicksand was like you were going to die, that we were going to die in quicksand. It was happy. It was

Isabeau Maxwell 1:54:53
Yeah. And then you take a city girl from the 70s and 80s and take her out a hike. I. I'm dying. I'm going to step in the wrong spot, and it's going to be quick sand, and I'm never going to get out, and there'll be a giant rack like creature that comes out, yes, and it's going to take me down the rest of the way, and then we're done.

Alex Ferrari 1:55:12
Beau, it has been such a pleasure talking to you today. Thank you so much for coming and thank you so much for all the teaching you've done for the last 20 years in the lovely style that you would do. It is so beautiful. I love it. And just thank you for helping awaken the planet. So thank you.

Isabeau Maxwell 1:56:56
Thank you for having me.